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« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2013, 10:16:10 PM »
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2013/07/29/toronto-streetcar-shooting-video-questions.html

The Toronto police officer who shot a teenager on a downtown streetcar two days ago has been suspended from his job with pay, CBC News has learned.

The news about the officer's suspension comes hours after police Chief Bill Blair told reporters that people "have every right to be concerned" after an 18-year-old man armed with a knife on a downtown streetcar was shot repeatedly and killed by police this weekend — an incident captured by amateur video.

Blair said he has seen the video, which was posted online.

"I am very aware that the public is very concerned about this tragic event," he told media in a prepared statement. "They have every right to be concerned."

Streetcar shooting prompts protest march in Toronto
RAW VIDEO: Original Toronto shooting video (Warning: graphic content)
Witnesses say Sammy Yatim was alone on the 505 Dundas streetcar near Trinity Bellwoods Park when he was shot just after midnight ET Saturday morning. He had pulled a knife and ordered everybody off the streetcar, witnesses say.

The video shows the stopped streetcar at a distance, with multiple police officers nearby, at least one with his hands raised to shoulder height.

Nine gunshots are heard within 13 seconds.

Toronto police Chief Bill Blair says he understands the public has many questions after the shooting on a TTC streetcar. (Nathan Denette/Canadian Press)
Blair said he knows the public has many questions after seeing the video.

"I am also seeking answers to those important questions," he said. He promised an "unwavering commitment" to finding them.

The chief said he has asked Deputy Chief Mike Federico to reach out to the family.

"As a father, I can only imagine their terrible grief and their need for answers," Blair said.

Family mourns
The family, which moved to Toronto from Syria about five years ago, is hiring a lawyer and wonders how police could shoot him multiple times even after it appears he went down.

"He was standing with a knife. Not with a bomb, with a knife," Yatim's mother Sahar Bahadi said.

Bahadi, who has seen the video, said she's heartbroken over the loss of her son, whom she described as polite and gentle.

She said she has many questions about the way the situation was handled by police.

"And I felt that he was very afraid … I felt it. I felt that he was very afraid." Bahadi, a pediatrician from Syria, said she brought her children here because she thought it would be safer, and she had hoped her son would make his future in Canada.

Yatim recently graduated from Brebeuf College School on Steeles Avenue, near Bayview Avenue, CBC's Ivy Cuervo reported.

"He has goals, he has objectives, he works hard," said Ammar Issa, a family friend. Issa said Yatim was working extra hours to try to earn money for college.

A makeshift memorial continues to grow on the spot where the teen was shot.

Police watchdog probing shooting
Blair did not take questions, noting that he is forbidden by law to interfere with the investigation of Ontario's police watchdog, the Special Investigations Unit.

"I regret that I'm unable to answer any of your questions," he said. "The law is rather clear with respect to that."

The SIU has begun an investigation of the incident, as it must under provincial law, and Blair promised to co-operate fully.

SIU investigation
Anyone with video footage or other information may contact the SIU's lead investigator at 416-622-1965 or 1-800-787-8529 ext. 1965.

The chief said there will also be an internal investigation. Blair said he is required by law to review the policy, procedures and training of the service, and to see if they were followed.

A full report of the chief's review must go to the police board within 30 days of the SIU's report going to the province's attorney general.

On Monday, the SIU issued a news release updating the public on the status of its investigation into the shooting.

The release said that Yatim sustained "multiple gunshot wounds" in the incident and also indicated that police had also used a stun gun.

The SIU said that it has identified a single subject officer and 22 witness officers.

The Ontario ombudsman also said in a tweet Monday that his office will be "reviewing" the shooting on Tuesday.

Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne said it was a tragic situation and that her heart went out to the family, but that she couldn't say more given the investigation.

Toronto Police Association president Mike McCormack said the officer involved in the shooting is "devastated."

"He's just overwhelmed by the magnitude of everything," he said. McCormack added that the public shouldn't jump to conclusions before investigators collect all the facts surrounding the shooting.

"All we're asking is wait until all the information comes in, and then we can look at the officer's actions appropriately and make the right diagnosis, as it were," he said.

Security expert concerned
Ross McLean, a security expert and former Toronto police officer, studied a version of the video with enhanced video and audio, frame by frame.

'This officer’s going to have to explain why he used the level of force he did.'
—Ross McLean, security expert
He said it raises serious questions about how police handled the confrontation.

On the enhanced video, a six-second jolt from a Taser can be heard after the gunshots, McLean said. Yatim also appears to put his hands over his head at one point on the enhanced video, he said.

McLean says if the officers had waited another minute for the officer with the Taser to arrive instead of opening fire, Yatim might be alive today. "Should you be Tasering someone who’s been shot six or nine times and lying on the ground?” he told CBC News.

McLean says the video also suggests police did not engage the suspect.

Sammy Yatim was a recent high school graduate. (Facebook)
"Your mouth is your best weapon," he said.

The key is to communicate with and contain the suspect, he said. "He was fairly contained. He was in the streetcar. He could have let that guy sit there all night."

Police can be heard on the enhanced video saying "Drop the knife!" and "If you take one step in this direction, you’re finished," McLean told CBC host Matt Galloway on Toronto's radio program Metro Morning.

McLean said it's unlikely that any of the nine shots were warning shots.

"This officer’s going to have to explain why he used the level of force he did," McLean said.

Vigil held for teen
Martin Baron is a Toronto architect who was on the scene at the time of the shooting. He encountered the incident as he made his way home with his wife and son.

"The whole thing was quick — from the moment we saw the first police officer with the gun to the moment the first shot was fired was maybe 60 seconds," Baron told CBC Radio's As It Happens.

Listen to CBC's As It Happens interview with a Toronto man who witnessed the shooting
Baron said he could clearly see a "tall skinny kid holding a knife" in the streetcar.

"He looked frozen," Baron said. "Like he was shocked or something."

Police were yelling at the young man in the streetcar, asking that he drop the knife.

"He never did, then they fired their shots," he said.

Baron said he didn't see the young man move, but he noted that he was also looking at other things as the event unfolded.

Baron, who has been interviewed by SIU investigators, said he and his wife have given the video footage they shot to the SIU.

A vigil for Yatim was held. today at Yonge-Dundas Square in downtown Toronto.

Yatim's friends have posted their condolences for the recent high school graduate on social media, and his sister Sarah has started a Facebook group to fight what she considers injustice at the hands of police.

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Re: Rip Sammy Yatim
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2013, 10:18:11 PM »
This article is nonsense, watch the video, words do not explain the total lack of risk these guys were facing. They would of been clearly on top if they had a fucking 2 by 4. They had numbers distance and time.

If you don't understand this you have no idea what law enforcement do.

No, I understand, but I just don't care. I've lived in NY were there are tons of these of these violent mental cases on the street at all times. One minute they're petty nuisances, the next week you read about them beat old lady over the head for some imagined slight. Fuck 'um.

That kid in California, Kelly Thomas? He deserves sympathy. This guy? Not really. The cops shouldn't of shot him, but there are more deserving people to actually worry about.

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Re: Rip Sammy Yatim
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2013, 12:25:50 AM »
Pull a knife on a bus and you deserve to be shot. Good to see at least some canadian police have balls.. when the greyhound killer was eating the face of his victim, the police hung around outside asking him nicely to stop cutting the ears off and putting them in a ziplock

Hopefully next time the natives or Sri Lankans decide to shut down the 401 these fine officers will be allowed to cap a few of them.

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Re: Rip Sammy Yatim
« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2013, 12:33:33 AM »
Another vigilante mind controlled incident. Not what it seems

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Re: Rip Sammy Yatim
« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2013, 12:47:42 AM »
Should show that video in schools.
Should give the youngsters a taste of what will should to them if they decide to go threatening people and brandishing knives in public.

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Re: Rip Sammy Yatim
« Reply #30 on: July 30, 2013, 01:50:36 AM »
Serves the coward running away from his homeland, not having balls to stand up and fight for his country. Then he has the audacity to wave a knife on a bus.

You think Toronto cops are laid back? or a better question, should they have a laid back country attitude?

Absolutely not, Toronto is quickly turning into a shithole, infested with degenerate blacks, paki's, and other mother fuckers fleeing their homeland and setting up criminal shop in good ol socialist Toronto.

Fuck socialist, multiculturalist scumbag governments. The population of Toronto is majority minority, and then the police and military are country white boys.

What the fuck do you expect?


The most this Syrian dunce would get is some money thrown at his family if he has any.

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Re: Rip Sammy Yatim
« Reply #31 on: July 30, 2013, 02:01:12 AM »
COPS = FAGS.....Hope this helps  ;)

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Re: Rip Sammy Yatim
« Reply #32 on: July 30, 2013, 02:05:07 AM »
Tasered after being shot nine times? What a confused mind this cop must be; probably wanted to go by the book but couldn't read the pages in the correct order.

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Re: Rip Sammy Yatim
« Reply #33 on: July 30, 2013, 06:12:12 AM »
Pull a knife on a bus and you deserve to be shot. Good to see at least some canadian police have balls.. when the greyhound killer was eating the face of his victim, the police hung around outside asking him nicely to stop cutting the ears off and putting them in a ziplock

Hopefully next time the natives or Sri Lankans decide to shut down the 401 these fine officers will be allowed to cap a few of them.
Nobodies saying the kid was innocent. But just as the kid isn't innocent, the cop killed a person in cold blood.  

Your strongly gravitating to an emotional argument, its the words of a person in denial about the unevenness in the world. Even the most right wing'd of people no what is murder and what is not.

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Re: Rip Sammy Yatim
« Reply #34 on: July 30, 2013, 08:49:47 AM »
That could have been me. If I had a son, he would look like Sammy :(
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Re: Rip Sammy Yatim
« Reply #35 on: July 30, 2013, 08:56:45 AM »
Stupid. So avoidable. I remember the one from years ago where they cornered the mentally ill Chinese guy with the hammer on the streetcar. Shot him dead, too.  ::)

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Re: Rip Sammy Yatim
« Reply #36 on: July 30, 2013, 09:03:10 AM »
Serves the coward running away from his homeland, not having balls to stand up and fight for his country. Then he has the audacity to wave a knife on a bus.

You think Toronto cops are laid back? or a better question, should they have a laid back country attitude?

Absolutely not, Toronto is quickly turning into a shithole, infested with degenerate blacks, paki's, and other mother fuckers fleeing their homeland and setting up criminal shop in good ol socialist Toronto.

Fuck socialist, multiculturalist scumbag governments. The population of Toronto is majority minority, and then the police and military are country white boys.

What the fuck do you expect?


The most this Syrian dunce would get is some money thrown at his family if he has any.

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sad what happened, but this kid would still be alive had he put the fucking knife down
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Re: Rip Sammy Yatim
« Reply #37 on: July 30, 2013, 09:06:09 AM »
from the Globe and Mail

It is not clear exactly what happened in the moments leading up to the shooting on Saturday just after midnight. Witnesses say that Mr. Yatim, a knife collector, brandished a knife on a Dundas streetcar at Bellwoods Avenue and exposed himself. Everybody rushed out of the streetcar leaving him behind on the vehicle. In a witness video of the police surrounding the streetcar, nine shots are fired after which police can be seen and heard going in to taser Mr. Yatim.
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Re: Rip Sammy Yatim
« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2013, 09:13:53 AM »
Tasered after being shot nine times? What a confused mind this cop must be; probably wanted to go by the book but couldn't read the pages in the correct order.

 Keystone cops.


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Re: Rip Sammy Yatim
« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2013, 09:31:42 AM »
Hey.. I have a idea.. DROP THE KNIFE!.. If a cop tells ya to do something.. Do it.. If you continue to make wild gestures with a weapon then ya get what ya get..

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Re: Rip Sammy Yatim
« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2013, 09:34:20 AM »
Keystone cops.



The humor was somehow lost in the process.

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« Reply #41 on: July 30, 2013, 09:37:01 AM »
Hey.. I have a idea.. DROP THE KNIFE!.. If a cop tells ya to do something.. Do it.. If you continue to make wild gestures with a weapon then ya get what ya get..
Let me guess - you're one of those 'zero tolerance' kind of people?    ;D

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« Reply #42 on: July 30, 2013, 09:43:49 AM »
Hey.. I have a idea.. DROP THE KNIFE!.. If a cop tells ya to do something.. Do it.. If you continue to make wild gestures with a weapon then ya get what ya get..

This is a stupid statement. what if the person is mentally unhinged, temporarily deranged, off his meds, bad reaction to meds etc.. subdue the man and get him some help thats what we do in civilized society. Thats the whole point of having a trained police force, to keep the citizenry, yes that includes the crazy ones safe... Anybody can shoot at and kill a threatening indidvidual that would be expected of the average citizen.... Cops are supposed to be a level/class above... handle and defuse situations like this wothout anyone getting hurt.

Stupid statement LATS.  think.

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Re: Rip Sammy Yatim
« Reply #43 on: July 30, 2013, 10:13:49 AM »
What is this, key stone cappers?
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« Reply #44 on: July 30, 2013, 10:44:43 AM »
This is a stupid statement. what if the person is mentally unhinged, temporarily deranged, off his meds, bad reaction to meds etc.. subdue the man and get him some help thats what we do in civilized society. Thats the whole point of having a trained police force, to keep the citizenry, yes that includes the crazy ones safe... Anybody can shoot at and kill a threatening indidvidual that would be expected of the average citizen.... Cops are supposed to be a level/class above... handle and defuse situations like this wothout anyone getting hurt.

Stupid statement LATS.  think.
My point, exactly. And the fact that this guy was basically entrapped in the streetcar. Lots of room and time to decide how to address this situation without using lethal force. 

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Re: Rip Sammy Yatim
« Reply #45 on: July 30, 2013, 10:47:07 AM »
Goddamn suspensions with pay.



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Re: Rip Sammy Yatim
« Reply #46 on: July 30, 2013, 11:53:36 AM »
... They would of been ...

Please spread the word to fellow ignoramus that, in such a situation, the correct word is "have", not of.

They would have been ...

I see this far too often.

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Re: Rip Sammy Yatim
« Reply #47 on: July 30, 2013, 11:54:40 AM »
Oh, yeah ...

Police procedure of peace  ::)

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Re: Rip Sammy Yatim
« Reply #48 on: July 30, 2013, 11:58:27 AM »
he fucking asked for it..
not that i like pigs

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Re: Rip Sammy Yatim
« Reply #49 on: July 30, 2013, 12:08:57 PM »
Suicide by cop? Poor kid. I wonder what his motivations were or why he had a meltdown.