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Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« on: August 09, 2013, 02:04:37 AM »
The Bible has a clear opinion on homosexuality:

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" (Leviticus 18:22)

That said, for you secularists who don't accept His word and are interested in condoning homosexuality, should gay men be able to adopt children?

I think children need a male role model to be psychologically healthy. But gay men belong to a very unsavory subculture where polygamy, drug use and anonymous group sex is common. And there is a lot of overlap with this subculture and pedophilia. Controversial issue. Your thoughts?

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Re: Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2013, 02:13:56 AM »

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Re: Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2013, 02:26:32 AM »
The Bible has a clear opinion on homosexuality:

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" (Leviticus 18:22)

That said, for you secularists who don't accept His word and are interested in condoning homosexuality, should gay men be able to adopt children?

I think children need a male role model to be psychologically healthy. But gay men belong to a very unsavory subculture where polygamy, drug use and anonymous group sex is common. And there is a lot of overlap with this subculture and pedophilia. Controversial issue. Your thoughts?



Probably not ideal option but much better than leaving them in care of perverts and pedophiles from  Vatican Corporation

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Re: Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2013, 02:48:56 AM »
The Bible has a clear opinion on homosexuality:

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" (Leviticus 18:22)

That said, for you secularists who don't accept His word and are interested in condoning homosexuality, should gay men be able to adopt children?

I think children need a male role model to be psychologically healthy. But gay men belong to a very unsavory subculture where polygamy, drug use and anonymous group sex is common. And there is a lot of overlap with this subculture and pedophilia. Controversial issue. Your thoughts?

i think it would be ok if they adopted girls so long as they don't go pedo and shit.  they'd definitely keep them "prettied up" (make up, play with their hair, cute dresses, etc). girls would never be "without" since both dads wouldn't have bitches to spend their money on.  it's a different can of worms with boys.  

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Re: Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2013, 02:52:29 AM »
Fuck no!

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Re: Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2013, 06:14:54 AM »
of course they should be able

yall repressed christian closet homosexuals need to get out of everyones bedroom and business

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Re: Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2013, 06:16:28 AM »
Would you like to have two dads?
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Re: Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2013, 06:29:26 AM »
Children would be better taken care of by a caring gay or lesbian couple than they would as a ward of the state or being shuffled around in temporary foster homes.

Stability and safety are of prime concerns for a growing child. Not the sexual orientation of the parents.

So yes - more gay couples should adopt, and any roadblocks making it harder for them (vs hetero parents) should be struck down ASAP.

We all complain about children not being given family environments to be raised in and how this is contributing to the downfall of society as we know it, yet we kibosh opportunities to address the problem with senseless bigotry and small mindedness.


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Re: Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2013, 06:40:53 AM »
Children would be better taken care of by a caring gay or lesbian couple than they would as a ward of the state or being shuffled around in temporary foster homes.

Stability and safety are of prime concerns for a growing child. Not the sexual orientation of the parents.

So yes - more gay couples should adopt, and any roadblocks making it harder for them (vs hetero parents) should be struck down ASAP.

We all complain about children not being given family environments to be raised in and how this is contributing to the downfall of society as we know it, yet we kibosh opportunities to address the problem with senseless bigotry and small mindedness.


Whether gay or straight, today's parents are the reason why kids are so effed up, spoiled and lack backbones.

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Re: Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2013, 06:45:23 AM »
Whether gay or straight, today's parents are the reason why kids are so effed up, spoiled and lack backbones.

Exactly, same with dogs. Every one in a million will turn for no good reason, but 99.99999 percent of viscious dogs are mistreated and not trained correctly.

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Re: Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2013, 06:57:05 AM »
The Bible has a clear opinion on homosexuality:

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" (Leviticus 18:22)

That said, for you secularists who don't accept His word and are interested in condoning homosexuality, should gay men be able to adopt children?

I think children need a male role model to be psychologically healthy. But gay men belong to a very unsavory subculture where polygamy, drug use and anonymous group sex is common. And there is a lot of overlap with this subculture and pedophilia. Controversial issue. Your thoughts?

Is this a joke?  The Bible proffers many things (including slavery and polygamy) that we no longer accept as moral or normative.  It also strongly condemns things that currently define our social relations and entertainment—like premarital sex.  Have you ever had sex outside of marriage?  If “role models for children” is the standard for parenting why do we allow children into the homes of people who smoke, drink, gamble, or body build for that matter?

Child advocacy organizations have noted that more than 100 million children around the world are orphaned, effectively homeless, and have bleak prospects for what most of us would consider a future life worth living. When you block gay adoption whom do you think you are helping? The child? No. The child that goes unadopted will suffer a bleak and probably short future. The potential gay parents aren’t really being hurt either; those who have the money and are determined to do it can easily have a child with a surrogate mother (a friend or a hired surrogate, sperm bank, etc). There are many potential gay parents out there who would adopt if it were made easy, but with people like you trying to stop them they will simply spend their time and money on additional toys, trips, pets, and other distractions—resources that could otherwise be used to provide a loving home, education, and future for a homeless child. If you have your way, most of those unadopted children will certainly die prematurely. Does that really make you feel as if you "saved" them? 

A few years ago a couple in Weston, Wisconsin had an 11 year-old daughter who was suffering from diabetic ketoacidosis. The illness was perfectly treatable, but the parents put their psycho/spiritual beliefs ahead of common sense insisting that ‘god will cure her’; their daughter died. You can find news reports of this story online; simply search for the headline “Parents Pick Prayer Over Docs; Girl Dies.” Americans have long observed that people in other countries frequently place ideology ahead of common sense, but they seem to forget that this happens in the USA as well. The vociferous objection to interracial marriage was one example. The objection to gay adoption is another. In effect, the opponents of gay adoption have put prayer over common sense. The result is that millions of children will die needlessly.

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Re: Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2013, 06:58:19 AM »

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Re: Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2013, 07:09:09 AM »
Exactly, same with dogs. Every one in a million will turn for no good reason, but 99.99999 percent of viscious dogs are mistreated and not trained correctly.
And I see tons of overweight dogs and cats...correlation to the high childhood obesity?

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Re: Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2013, 07:12:13 AM »
The Bible has a clear opinion on homosexuality:
I have a clear interpretation of the bible:

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Fixed, but I agree, both lesbs & gay men shouldn't.

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Re: Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2013, 11:08:08 AM »
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You're simply asserting a variety of empirical claims about how kids with homosexual parents turn out, claims not firmly established at this point in time. Why not study the issue more before opening the flood gates?

One (of many) issues the mainstream media never highlights regarding this issue is the commensurate increase in pedophilia as gay male couple adoption rates increase (see article below), a phenomenon which makes sense given the significant (but once again, virtually never discussed) overlap between homosexuality and pedophilia.

Also, it's strange that my stance should be labeled "small-minded" and "bigoted," given the alternative position: allow gay male couples to adopt without any idea of the societal consequences, allow unhindered abortion to kill as many babies as possible, tarnish the most successful familial model in human history (traditional marriage), and violently silence people like me who challenge this "progressive" viewpoint.

Australian pair in L.A. convicted for making child porn with ‘adopted son’ from Russia
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/2-convicted-adopted-son-porn-article-1.1385895#ixzz2bUoIfkZQ

"Investigators say Newton and Truong flew the boy between Australia, the United States, France and Germany to record at least eight other pedophiles sexually abuse him

Newton addressed the U.S. federal courtroom in Indiana in shackles Friday. His voice quavered as he said, 'being a father was an honor and a privilege that amounted to the best six years of my life.'"

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Re: Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2013, 11:24:49 AM »
Is this a joke?  The Bible proffers many things (including slavery and polygamy) that we no longer accept as moral or normative.  It also strongly condemns things that currently define our social relations and entertainment—like premarital sex.  Have you ever had sex outside of marriage?  If “role models for children” is the standard for parenting why do we allow children into the homes of people who smoke, drink, gamble, or body build for that matter?

What society "accepts" and what is objectively acceptable from a moral point of view needn't be equivalent.

Child advocacy organizations have noted that more than 100 million children around the world are orphaned, effectively homeless, and have bleak prospects for what most of us would consider a future life worth living. When you block gay adoption whom do you think you are helping? The child? No. The child that goes unadopted will suffer a bleak and probably short future. The potential gay parents aren’t really being hurt either; those who have the money and are determined to do it can easily have a child with a surrogate mother (a friend or a hired surrogate, sperm bank, etc). There are many potential gay parents out there who would adopt if it were made easy, but with people like you trying to stop them they will simply spend their time and money on additional toys, trips, pets, and other distractions—resources that could otherwise be used to provide a loving home, education, and future for a homeless child. If you have your way, most of those unadopted children will certainly die prematurely. Does that really make you feel as if you "saved" them? 

The Christian model prescribes procreative sex within the context of a loving marriage between a man and a woman bonded with Christ; if this were to be more widespread, we wouldn't have so many kids in need of adoption in the first place.

I don't think that the ultimate solution entails allowing these kids to get scooped up by gay, male, possibly pedophelic couples.

A few years ago a couple in Weston, Wisconsin had an 11 year-old daughter who was suffering from diabetic ketoacidosis. The illness was perfectly treatable, but the parents put their psycho/spiritual beliefs ahead of common sense insisting that ‘god will cure her’; their daughter died. You can find news reports of this story online; simply search for the headline “Parents Pick Prayer Over Docs; Girl Dies.” Americans have long observed that people in other countries frequently place ideology ahead of common sense, but they seem to forget that this happens in the USA as well. The vociferous objection to interracial marriage was one example. The objection to gay adoption is another. In effect, the opponents of gay adoption have put prayer over common sense. The result is that millions of children will die needlessly.

Yes, deluded people exist who call themselves Christian. Insisting that God solve all their problems (like medical problems) is one such delusion. That doesn't render the rest of us insane any more than the Soviet Union's behavior renders all atheists insane.

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Re: Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2013, 11:31:46 AM »
I think so. There are so many kids getting molested and beaten in foster homes. At least gay couples are going to be eager to raise a kid properly and will do so with much more enthusiasm than some low income minority family that shits out kids because they get welfares or don't know about proper contraception.

Truth of the matter is that we need gay people to be adopting kids no matter what moral or social dilemmas we have to bicker about. My grandma used to be a foster parent for handicapped kids and I thought they were treated badly... nope, regular kids got treated just as bad. I saw her take in kids that used to get shit kicked on a regular basis. It's really sad how kids can float around in the system like that and suffer so much abuse. I'd much rather see a couple of queers adopt them than see them float around in the system.

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Re: Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2013, 11:32:37 AM »
I feel sorry for any young child who's fellow classmates find out he or she has two Dads.   Talk about years of teasing.  Kids can be so cruel.

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Re: Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2013, 11:35:08 AM »
there will be teasing at times...

but there are a lot of kids that grow up with 15 others at a bad foster home, starving and getting beaten and ignored.

ask any of them if they'd prefer to live in the suburbs with 2 dads making $100k a year, raising the kids in a safe, healthy home.

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Re: Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2013, 11:35:48 AM »
Why are you and your partner looking?

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Re: Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2013, 11:41:51 AM »
I feel sorry for any young child who's fellow classmates find he or she has two Dads.   Talk about years of teasing.

This may be beyond your grasp, but there are adults--and children--in life who make decisions for themselves without regard to whether or not they will be teased.  You should try it sometime.   ::)

More to the point, kids today don't necessarily have the same hangups that you apparently do.

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Re: Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2013, 11:45:06 AM »
I feel sorry for any young child who's fellow classmates find he or she has two Dads.   Talk about years of teasing.

I assume you like in rural Alabama?  Come to Cali, that shit is normal.  So many lesbian moms with kids at school

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Re: Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2013, 12:11:39 PM »
I assume you like in rural Alabama?  Come to Cali, that shit is normal.  So many lesbian moms with kids at school

I live a little further North and it's no biggy here. Vancouver and Seattle aren't far away and they're queer capitals for sure. Shit's just completely normal, no one bats an eye. Who the fuck cares?

I don't care what straight people bang other straight people, and I sure as fuck don't care any more about what gay people are fucking other gay people. I don't see what compels people to even think about that shit. I have a pretty nice life but I don't have any time to worry about other people's fucking preferences. Do these homophobes have jobs or families to take care of or anything? Because it seems to me like they have a fuck of a lot of time if they need to worry about gay people.

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Re: Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2013, 12:17:55 PM »
I assume you like in rural Alabama?  Come to Cali, that shit is normal.  So many lesbian moms with kids at school
Are you talking about lesbian moms who have adopted or moms after having kids and went thru a divorce who now have "decided" that they are "lesbian".

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Re: Should Gay Men Be Allowed to Adopt?
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2013, 12:25:02 PM »
I would like to see an honest study done on the adopted children of gay couples...I wonder how many of the children "become" gay/bi later on in life...Would be interesting. But no doubt the numbers would be fudged by the Hierarchy's media. no pun...I could see the Rosie O'Donnell's of the world pressuring her kids into being gay...