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« Reply #625 on: October 09, 2013, 09:35:58 AM »

and analblow, here's a tip for ya brosef

work your upper lats to create the illusion of width

it's strange but since i've been doing deads my upper lats have really started to spread and it making me look pretty damn wide Cool

You blow too much, put the spliff down.
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« Reply #626 on: October 09, 2013, 10:15:39 AM »

You blow too much, put the spliff down.

 Huh Huh Huh

so it must be a coincidence that i'm having many people tell me how wide i'm getting

sure thing man, sure thing
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« Reply #627 on: October 09, 2013, 11:12:11 AM »

when i deadlifted 5x200kg as a to the death natural warrior i was the king of narrowness

your theory on this one is shit at least it didnt apply in my case

could be, but i have no other reason for my lat width to expand like it did, since i only do very light pulldowns and that's basically it for lats

supposedly the mid to top part of the deadlift is lat power
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« Reply #628 on: October 09, 2013, 12:28:46 PM »

DO CHINS/PULLUPS IF U WANT OR CREAT ILLUSION WIDER LATS.ESPECIALLY WARM UP BEFORE DOING YOUR ROW MOVEMENTS..
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« Reply #629 on: October 09, 2013, 12:37:04 PM »

DO CHINS/PULLUPS IF U WANT OR CREAT ILLUSION WIDER LATS.ESPECIALLY WARM UP BEFORE DOING YOUR ROW MOVEMENTS..

i just do wide grip pulldowns to the front with a rather pansyass weight

tomorrow is bench and i'll probably be lucky to get 10 reps with 70 kg lol

a few months ago i was doing 10 reps with 90 kg but now my pecs are thicker and fuller than they were 2 months ago Huh Huh Huh

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« Reply #630 on: October 09, 2013, 12:43:01 PM »

could be, but i have no other reason for my lat width to expand like it did, since i only do very light pulldowns and that's basically it for lats

supposedly the mid to top part of the deadlift is lat power
Deadlifts don't make you wide. They hit Romboids, and Erector Spinal muscles mainly. It must be something else you are doing.
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« Reply #631 on: October 09, 2013, 12:47:35 PM »

Barbell rows will make you thick and wide. the Erectors too.
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« Reply #632 on: October 09, 2013, 12:49:36 PM »

Barbell rows will make you thick and wide. the Erectors too.
Barbell rows are a king exercise for back if you do them correctly most don't, you have to keep the low back flat and dont round it off. But agreed.
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« Reply #633 on: October 09, 2013, 12:53:16 PM »

flat not arched

most people arch too much like lordosis
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« Reply #634 on: October 09, 2013, 01:06:30 PM »

describe ideal form to me

if you can find a video of ideal form please show


be very very detailed plz
Squat over the bar, arms extended, pull in between ribs and waist, keep low back flat a major key, a producer of back thickness and width as well.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNjwZ1fxtCQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNjwZ1fxtCQ</a>
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« Reply #635 on: October 09, 2013, 01:16:27 PM »

dorian says YOU GOTTA ARCH THE SPINE FOR THE LATS CONTRACT


what is it now, flat or arched?........................ ...............


and he says the upper body doesnt move but starts moving it right away
I think either will work I did best with flat the key is to lock the low back don't pull with lower back pull with lats and romboids. Just keep the low back stationary don't make it a deadlift. Its a very difficult exercise to master but if you do you will reaps benefits.
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« Reply #636 on: October 09, 2013, 01:44:03 PM »

Barbell rows are the best . i do them old School bent over parallel. i do like them with a supinated grip like dorian but at the angle he says i find not good for my back. I agree with mr noboddy.
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« Reply #637 on: October 09, 2013, 01:49:26 PM »

Deadlifts don't make you wide. They hit Romboids, and Erector Spinal muscles mainly. It must be something else you are doing.

must just be my genetics then

i'm at 10 reps with 50kg dumbells and supreme colemanesque form


i can really feel the chestoral fibars fire away


barbell bench is a waste of time


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZM4VpuKxnU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZM4VpuKxnU</a>

50 kg for 10 reps is damn impressive for db bench, but why use such heavyass weight if you don't need to

i'm gonna lighten up my training loads on all lifts except the squat, bench and dead and see what happens

basically just pump away on the minor lifts and see if the dbol will thicken the fibers without excessive laoding

yesterday i did bis and tris and really went pussyass on the tris and they looked out-fucking-standing when i finished up Shocked

it's nice to pump with easy weights and watch the females checking ya out Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #638 on: October 09, 2013, 01:51:33 PM »

I do them every workout Some weeks,then switch to tbar,but I row,row,row all forms builds a thick back,need outer,middle,upper to traps,there are many movements,1 movement like dj181 says he does is not enough.build a big back ,unless you want a  torso with little balls for delts and some arms hanging of a slender torso .big pecs/back cornerstone.
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« Reply #639 on: October 09, 2013, 02:17:15 PM »

must just be my genetics then

50 kg for 10 reps is damn impressive for db bench, but why use such heavyass weight if you don't need to

i'm gonna lighten up my training loads on all lifts except the squat, bench and dead and see what happens

basically just pump away on the minor lifts and see if the dbol will thicken the fibers without excessive laoding

yesterday i did bis and tris and really went pussyass on the tris and they looked out-fucking-standing when i finished up Shocked

it's nice to pump with easy weights and watch the females checking ya out Grin Grin Grin

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« Reply #640 on: October 09, 2013, 02:28:00 PM »

I do them every workout Some weeks,then switch to tbar,but I row,row,row all forms builds a thick back,need outer,middle,upper to traps,there are many movements,1 movement like dj181 says he does is not enough.build a big back ,unless you want a  torso with little balls for delts and some arms hanging of a slender torso .big pecs/back cornerstone.

it seems like you gotta train different while on the sause

this pushing heavier and heavier loads works for naturals to some degree, but it seems that roiders can get away with more volume and lesser weights, i think...

guess that i gotta test this shit out
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« Reply #641 on: October 09, 2013, 02:33:21 PM »

it seems like you gotta train different while on the sause

this pushing heavier and heavier loads works for naturals to some degree, but it seems that roiders can get away with more volume and lesser weights, i think...

guess that i gotta test this shit out
LOOK LISTEN VERY VERY CAREFULLY

A NATURAL FEELS A COMPULSION TO LIFT HEAVY BECAUSE HIS IMPROVED NEUROMUSCULAR EFFICIENCY HE WILL DEVELOP THIS WAY WILL GIVE THE ILLUSION OF ACTUAL MUSCULAR GROWTH OR BRUTE STRENGTH

IN FACT THERE IS VERY LITTLE IF ANY AT ALL HAPENING OF BOTH

YOU ARE SIMPLY GETTING MORE EFFICIENT AT THE MOTION YOU DO ALL THE FUCKING TIME OVER AND OVER WITH LOW REPS


THEREFOR YOU THINK YOU ARE NOW GETTING RESULTS THANKS TO SO CALLED HEAVY TRAINING


WHEN LIFTING LIGHT YOU DIDNT GET ANY GAINS NOT EVEN AN ILLUSION OF GAINS LIKE WITH THE SO CALLED HEAVY WEIGHTS


SO THEN LONG TIME NATURALS START TO BELIEVE POWERLIFTING IS THE SECRET TO NATURAL BODYBUILDING WHEN THEY COULDNT BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH


THEY LOOK AT JUICED UP BBERS PUMPING SEEMINGLY LIGHT WEIGHTS BUT ACTUALLY THEY ARE DOING A LOT MORE VOLUME A LOT LESS REST A LOT BETTER REP QUALITY WHICH MAKES IT HARDER


SO THE DELUSIONAL NATURAL THINKS HE TRAINS PROPORTIONALLY HEAVIER THAN THESE GUYS AND GETS EVEN MORE DELUDED


WHILE IN FACT HES ALL EGO LIFTING A FEW SHIT REPS WITH SO MUCH TIME IN BETWEEN REPS ON LOCKED JOINTS IT CANT EVEN BE CALLED A SET



ONCE NATURAL STARTS JUICING UP AND APPLYING BB PRINCIPLES HE FINALLY GETS IT
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« Reply #642 on: October 09, 2013, 02:46:48 PM »

thanks chief
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« Reply #643 on: October 09, 2013, 02:56:39 PM »

so you're saying a roider should train with volume then right?

how much volume then?

how many sets and how many reps and how many exercises per bodypart?

wienborn said something about 60-120 reps per large muscle group and 30-60 reps for small muscle groups

i'm just training for cosmetic effects nowdays, goal is to look something like this but not so massive

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« Reply #644 on: October 09, 2013, 03:08:40 PM »

bodybuilding is a mystery there are no answers only questions


the only thing that is a fact is that steroids are required

a pretty damn intelligent and insightful post right there brosef

i'm impressed
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« Reply #645 on: October 13, 2013, 08:43:23 AM »

For Chaos: from my physiotherapy notes....

 





This is 3 pages from a 60 page text on Cross Syndrome. Guaranteed, You have it. 95% of lifters have some form of it.
My right hammie, ass cheek and low back are now tight since I've read this........ Angry
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« Reply #646 on: October 13, 2013, 09:35:57 AM »

i'm saying a natural can never progress

and once you get on roids pretty much everything will work but you gotta figure out what you react best to

the quality of your reps and sets are probably more important than the amount of reps and setss


bodybuilding is a mystery there are no answers only questions


the only thing that is a fact is that steroids are required

Bodybuilding philosophy at it's finest!
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« Reply #647 on: October 13, 2013, 10:38:43 AM »

Bodybuilding philosophy at it's finest!

yep

he's another Jean-Paul Sarte
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« Reply #648 on: October 13, 2013, 10:50:10 AM »

My right hammie, ass cheek and low back are now tight since I've read this........ Angry

Possibly related to "extracurricular activities" bro?
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« Reply #649 on: October 13, 2013, 11:39:08 AM »

Possibly related to "extracurricular activities" bro?
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