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« on: August 21, 2013, 05:48:15 PM »

searching sucks so let's start a new convo ......... what do we know and how can you safely use it, and what kind of benefits can be obtained......... plz no FUCKING stupid responses , let's be serious since its a very risky drug ..... I honestly know nothing about it
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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2013, 07:05:20 PM »

Hey Shrek...

Slin is great and NOT as dangerous as one would think.  My "guy" is a national level competitor, who also happens to be diabetic.  Much like Tim Belknap, who I knew back in his day...this guy has directed me down the path, and I've NEVER had an issue with getting hypo etc.

Now, some would say they like one of the "logs" novolog, humalog, etc.  Others would say go with Humulin R or Novolin R etc.  Really depends on your lifestyle and what works best for YOU.

I "prefer" log, and heres why...it's short, works fast, and I don't have to worry about the long peak curve of "R".  I like to take it about an hour before working out...get a carb/pro meal in right then...and make my intra w-o shake ready (juice/karbolyn/Bcaas etc)...have that during my workout and afterwards have my post workout meal.  By that time the log is on the downward slope and very little if any risk for going hypo. Active time is around 3 hours.

With R...you could do the same, but you'll need to keep an eye on yourself for around 2-4 additional hours as it is a longer acting slin.  Again, I'm not saying it is better, nor worse...just need to find what works for you. 

The plus side to R is you can walk into most pharmacies and ask for it and get a bottle with no script.  With log, you'll need a script, but I don't have to worry about that...at least for now.

As far as carb use..."they" say 10 grams per IU...I've found I don't need that much...but starting out, better to play it safe and once again, find out what works for YOU.  I would consider starting out at 5-10 IU, have your carbs and protein ready and have some fun.  I'm taking WELL ABOVE that amount, but it is a walk don't run on your elevation of IUs.

I'm sure others will chime in with their thoughts, and i could add more...but I'm tired.  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2013, 08:12:36 PM »

very dangerous stuff to play around with. I think once you understand how to eat properly when taking insulin it gets to be routine just like shooting HGH but why use it if you do not compete. The long term side effects of using insulin when you are not diabetic are not good.Your body can stop producing insulin on its own so then you will continue to have to get it through injections. someone correct me if I am wrong. But long term insulin use will cause your body to stop making its own.
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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2013, 09:00:15 PM »

very dangerous stuff to play around with. I think once you understand how to eat properly when taking insulin it gets to be routine just like shooting HGH but why use it if you do not compete. The long term side effects of using insulin when you are not diabetic are not good.Your body can stop producing insulin on its own so then you will continue to have to get it through injections. someone correct me if I am wrong. But long term insulin use will cause your body to stop making its own.

No long-term insulin does not stop the natural production. Just leave her pancreas worked at least once a day. When to INSULIN is the most important hormone for today freak pros use 200-400 IU per day coupled with high gh of course.
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2013, 12:02:51 AM »


you do not need it.

the other thing that bothers me is that nobody here says you should be using gh with it, and if you are going to be using it you should be.

follow any of this advise given here and you're going to end up fat, or look worse than when you started.
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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2013, 02:21:39 AM »

biggest thing to remember when using insulin is DON'T BE LAZY when it comes to eating.

if you wanna get as much benefit and as little negative's you must

#1. Have protein/amino's in your stomach before you take your shot(s)

#2. Avoid fats... this means do not eat fucking cookies, brownies, ice cream,... no cinnamon rolls with butter,  ect... for your carb's (as they contain fat). No whole, 2% or 1% milk... if you drink milk, it's gotta be skim... same for eggs, they better be egg-whites. Sure as hell no peanut butter.... no fatty steak.. if you eat ground beef, it'd better be the leanest you can find, and strained and rinsed with water before you eat it.

#3. Watch fat content in your protein shakes. Concentrates have higher fat content than isolates/hydro's.



generally speaking, 2-3 doses of 5-15iu should be plenty.

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am/breakfast - 7am, drink 50g hydro or isolate. 715am 15iu humulin R. 730am, 10g bcaa + 60g dextrose + 60g fructose. If by 8-810am you're still feeling hypo (sweaty forehead, shakey, quick pulse, 'high' feeling, ect... everybody's different), drink down another 20g of dextrose (or 20oz Gatorade.. hell, even Mt. Dew will work)

12pm/noon, repeat the same drink/food, except with 5iu humulin R and cut the dextrose and fructose down to 25g-30g each.

either post-workout or before bed, repeat the same thing you did for breakfast... if before bed, add in 30-50g maltodextrin and an extra 30g isolate/hydro.
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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2013, 03:36:39 AM »

No long-term insulin does not stop the natural production. Just leave her pancreas worked at least once a day. When to INSULIN is the most important hormone for today freak pros use 200-400 IU per day coupled with high gh of course.

I don't know about that.
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2013, 04:26:02 AM »

No long-term insulin does not stop the natural production. Just leave her pancreas worked at least once a day. When to INSULIN is the most important hormone for today freak pros use 200-400 IU per day coupled with high gh of course.

while it's correct using insulin will not stop natural production (I ran 40-60iu/day from 1998-2002 and had zero issues when I stopped using it).... the 200-400iu per day sounds not-possible.

I can see maybe 100/day total, but 200... hell, even 150, doesn't seem possible, much less 400iu.

I know there are guys (pro's, npc guys, freaks who don't compete, ect...) who eat a ton of carbs.. I take in about 600-700/day, and there are many many guys who take in much more than that, and even at 1000-1200g carbs/day, I don't think that would support 200iu insulin/day. (that's over 4000kcals from carb's alone... not to mention the protein being around 500, that's over 6000kcals/day not including fats).

When I was running my insulin doses in 98, people on these boards said I was lying and that it wasn't possible, well, in this case, until I know of somebody PERSONALLY who uses anything over 150iu insulin per day, I won't believe it.
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2013, 05:02:34 AM »

while it's correct using insulin will not stop natural production (I ran 40-60iu/day from 1998-2002 and had zero issues when I stopped using it).... the 200-400iu per day sounds not-possible.

I can see maybe 100/day total, but 200... hell, even 150, doesn't seem possible, much less 400iu.

I know there are guys (pro's, npc guys, freaks who don't compete, ect...) who eat a ton of carbs.. I take in about 600-700/day, and there are many many guys who take in much more than that, and even at 1000-1200g carbs/day, I don't think that would support 200iu insulin/day. (that's over 4000kcals from carb's alone... not to mention the protein being around 500, that's over 6000kcals/day not including fats).

When I was running my insulin doses in 98, people on these boards said I was lying and that it wasn't possible, well, in this case, until I know of somebody PERSONALLY who uses anything over 150iu insulin per day, I won't believe it.

If I assure you, mega dose insulin is the secret of pro. A shot 50ui injections every meal before and after training. Pineapple juice is a good source of carbohydrates on insulin, a resistor occurs over time so that you do not need a lot of carbohydrates.
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2013, 05:45:43 AM »

10iu is a bit much for me. 200-400ius is down-syndrome stupid.
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2013, 06:52:49 AM »

In order to become a monster you need it...
If you are over the age of 40 doing 5 iu's per day gives your pancreas a break.
If you are fat fuck taking a few iu's per day can help prevent diabetes.

If you are idiot, it will kill you.
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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2013, 07:59:42 AM »

Good posting fellas , now how bout what one would expect as in gains while using a moderate amount ....... end is slin related to the large gut that all these modern day guys have
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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2013, 08:05:33 AM »

Good posting fellas , now how bout what one would expect as in gains while using a moderate amount ....... end is slin related to the large gut that all these modern day guys have

Insulin is directly related to "the gut" But what truly causes organ growth is IGF. Since GH releases a little IGF, some people believe that is the culprit.

But since all top bodybuilders with the gut are on GH slin and IGF.. I'm not sure i can accurately point out which one is most responsible.
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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2013, 08:10:40 AM »

I'm not too impressed with the guys now days , they are huge but I think its sloppy looking ........ wish the 80s early 90s physique would come back
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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2013, 08:17:17 AM »

I'm not too impressed with the guys now days , they are huge but I think its sloppy looking ........ wish the 80s early 90s physique would come back

But bigger...

Without SEO...

But i agree, they were significantly more aesthetic.
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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2013, 03:04:06 PM »

To mess yourself up on slin, you would have to be running it for a long time without any break. That is where the issue arises...depending who you talk too...some go M-F taking the weekend off of any dosing...others go 2 wks 1 wk off etc.  I've ran it for awhile with few breaks, and never had an issue (not recommending this).

I've run it with and with GH...the results on GH are better, without question.  That said, as shared prior, when you have slin in your system, stay away from ANY kind of fats PERIOD.  You won't become a fat slob if you're doing it right, with the correct AAS will help as well.

As to gains...really depends on dosing, etc. etc.  It isn't like a magic pill and you're going to turn into some "god".  It greatly helps in pushing carbs and aminos etc. into your system, which helps in faster recovery...tremendous pumps, and a solid, full look to your body.

Trust me, I've been doing this for over 25 yrs...weight lifting, gear, etc. and always had a fear of slin...until I met my guy and the light was turned on.  Glad to get the truth...be smart...as also shared...stupid people are the ones who get fucked up.
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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2013, 04:28:43 PM »

the likelihood of 'problems' is greater running gh w/o insulin than with insulin by itself.
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« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2013, 11:58:20 PM »

biggest thing to remember when using insulin is DON'T BE LAZY when it comes to eating.

if you wanna get as much benefit and as little negative's you must

#1. Have protein/amino's in your stomach before you take your shot(s)

#2. Avoid fats... this means do not eat fucking cookies, brownies, ice cream,... no cinnamon rolls with butter,  ect... for your carb's (as they contain fat). No whole, 2% or 1% milk... if you drink milk, it's gotta be skim... same for eggs, they better be egg-whites. Sure as hell no peanut butter.... no fatty steak.. if you eat ground beef, it'd better be the leanest you can find, and strained and rinsed with water before you eat it.

#3. Watch fat content in your protein shakes. Concentrates have higher fat content than isolates/hydro's.



generally speaking, 2-3 doses of 5-15iu should be plenty.

for example;

am/breakfast - 7am, drink 50g hydro or isolate. 715am 15iu humulin R. 730am, 10g bcaa + 60g dextrose + 60g fructose. If by 8-810am you're still feeling hypo (sweaty forehead, shakey, quick pulse, 'high' feeling, ect... everybody's different), drink down another 20g of dextrose (or 20oz Gatorade.. hell, even Mt. Dew will work)

12pm/noon, repeat the same drink/food, except with 5iu humulin R and cut the dextrose and fructose down to 25g-30g each.

either post-workout or before bed, repeat the same thing you did for breakfast... if before bed, add in 30-50g maltodextrin and an extra 30g isolate/hydro.

Why exactly are you so anti-fats here? Is it because it dramatically slows digestion, preventing glucose uptake, etc that you need when on Slin ?
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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2013, 12:02:16 AM »

the likelihood of 'problems' is greater running gh w/o insulin than with insulin by itself.

Elaborate on this please. Lets say you were doing 4iu gh and 2-400 test. What problems would or could appear and in what time frame?
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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2013, 12:05:58 AM »

Forget about the pancreas, how about the insulin receptors burning out overtime? That is what causes diabeetus you know, overloading the pancreas to pump out so much insulin till it dies.
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« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2013, 12:33:11 AM »

How many bodybuilders do you think have turne themselves into diabetics due to insulin abuse? You really have to take it easy when using insulin and no point if you are not using HGH that is the whole point is to get that synergistic effect.
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« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2013, 02:21:56 AM »

Why exactly are you so anti-fats here? Is it because it dramatically slows digestion, preventing glucose uptake, etc that you need when on Slin ?

I want to avoid having fats in the bloodstream at the same time as the insulin... don't want the insulin to store the fat. it's my belief that insulin will store whatever is in the blood. (simplest way I can explain it)

same reason i'd avoid fat+carb foods when dieting. French fries (carbs fried in fat), bagels & cream cheese, peanut butter sandwiches, pizza (dough and cheese), ice cream, whole milk, doughnuts, ect,.... (anything that tastes good. lol)

i'm a big proponent of fat's... just not while injecting insulin. To bump my kcals I use a lot of peanut butter, and sometimes MCT and Flax oil.... just not while using slin. lol
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« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2013, 11:16:05 AM »

I want to avoid having fats in the bloodstream at the same time as the insulin... don't want the insulin to store the fat. it's my belief that insulin will store whatever is in the blood. (simplest way I can explain it)

same reason i'd avoid fat+carb foods when dieting. French fries (carbs fried in fat), bagels & cream cheese, peanut butter sandwiches, pizza (dough and cheese), ice cream, whole milk, doughnuts, ect,.... (anything that tastes good. lol)

i'm a big proponent of fat's... just not while injecting insulin. To bump my kcals I use a lot of peanut butter, and sometimes MCT and Flax oil.... just not while using slin. lol

This is actually a very very good philosophy, because you're right that it will store whatever is in the blood.

 This makes sense.

I like this philosophy of eating at each meal either protein and fats or protein and carbs. Never mix all 3 unless is a planned cheat. This is actually George Farrah's dieting philosophy for the most part.
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« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2013, 01:20:20 PM »

Forget about the pancreas, how about the insulin receptors burning out overtime? That is what causes diabeetus you know, overloading the pancreas to pump out so much insulin till it dies.

That is what the doctors tell you and it is the farthest thing from the truth in the world. They've separated and divided the pathology of the body into compartments tended to by docs called "specialists" to make it harder to understand the body thus giving way to these outrageous claims backed by fradulent fda approved studies.

Let me ask you this, does your liver burn up or ever run out of bile to digest and assimilate your food? Do your androgenic receptors ever burn up due to taking upwards of 4 grams of steroids per week? Does caffeine ever cease to work because you have taken it too many times or "overdone" it and now your adrenals are permanently finished? No.

The pancreas doesn't work that way either. It pays big money if people believe it does, however.

Just like they say crohns is genetic or whatever they're saying causes it nowadays, i dont know i haven't heard of "their most recent discovery" that they make ever year which conveniently gives room for a new drug. Crohns is caused by dairy and the pathogens therein.
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« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2013, 08:30:52 PM »

Why exactly are you so anti-fats here? Is it because it dramatically slows digestion, preventing glucose uptake, etc that you need when on Slin ?

bro this thread is like a train wreck. I shouldn't watch cause i know its going to end up bad but I can't help it.

what I will do is save you from the wreckage.

ignore everything your reading here. better yet ask these fine gentlemen dispensing such expert advise for a pic of what these methodologies into practise will afford you.

so, let me put it to you like this cause your a very logical common sense guy.

everyone here is 'avoid fat! don't take in fat with it! it's a storage hormone! it'll shuttle fat directly to the cell!' yada yada yada cough *bullshit*

so here you have guys suggesting taking in HUNDREDS of grams of carbs (700) and THOUSANDS of calories (7000 lol) without gh. correct? what builds lean tissue? do carbs build lean tissue? oh then calories must build lean tissue. no? cause last time I checked it was protein and only protein.

now, couple this ideology of a massive carb/ calorie intake w/o gh usage. you think your going to create lean tissue? does insulin create lean tissue?

now, add in the fact they are all taking in 5000+cals which their body can't utilize properly w/o gh and they are worried about taking fat w their insulin? haha motherfuckers are going to get fat REGARDLESS of how little fats they take in during the curve cause they are eating to much and don't have the gh to utilize it  

there is so much bad advise in this thread it's unbearable for me to watch you listen to it.

>JUST POST ONE PIC SHIRTLESS SHOWING ME THE RESULTS OF THESE PROTOCOLS WHERE YOU DO NOT LOOK BORDERLINE OBESE. JUST ONE. you won't cause you can't cause everything written here will make you FAT.

don't hold your breath bro. when your ready to use insulin pm me ate I'll walk you thru how to do it and look half way decent. I wouldn't recommend you do it (I don't like the look) but ill show you how to do it without looking the way this thread will leave you.

Jesus wept. eat 700 grams of carbs a day and 7k cal a day your body cannot possibly utilize but don't eat fat with your insulin, cause wait for it- you'll GET FAT!!!
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