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« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2013, 12:58:19 AM »

allright, i got a serious question as far as training while on roids is concerned

i've always been a HIT guy and firmly believed in the HIT mantra of bigger training loads=bigger muscles

so my question is... can i make my wheels bigger without lifting heavier and heavier training loads while on dbol?

say just do squats with a buck 35 and stay there and then the wheels will come?

also, can these sprint intervals on the stationary bike build up my wheels to a decent degree? right now i'm doing 6 full out sprints @ 30 sec work interval with a 60 sec rest interval, but i've damn near maxed it out as top level is 25 and i'm doing it at level 24

i could take these sprint intervals up to a 60 sec work interval with a 2 min rest interval but that's about limit i think, coz it's not possible to sprint all-out much longer than 60 seconds

if worse comes to worse then i'll just hire a trainer to push me on legs i guess

just hope i don't end up like this, and i'm talking bout the one on the right lol


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« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2013, 01:58:39 AM »

do not cycle drol and dbol alternatively

that's a lot of harsh shit to process with out coming off

if you insist on doing it do not drink alcohol and drink as much water through the day as you can

if you can get real anavar alternate between that and dbol/drol if you insist on staying on

I would do 12 weeks anavar at 100mg a day come of for four weeks blast dbol for 8 weeks at 50mg a day have four weeks off then back on the var

you could do this fairly long term without too many issues

but the harsh reality is if you want to be big long term you need to get over your fear of needles
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« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2013, 06:48:15 AM »

I would at least train legs with weights for 8-12 sets once a week.  It doesn't have to be super heavy, just intense enough to make the muscles work.  There are plenty of guys who have decent legs who never squat more than 225.  On AAS you really don't need to kill yourself if you don't want big legs.  Your legs will grow even from moderate weight squats and leg press.  Do what makes you happy, but at least train your legs enough for them to grow.  You don't need to kill yourself, it's mainly genetics anyway.  I know guys who don't even train legs who have decent leg mass, but they are on a good amount of AAS.


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« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2013, 07:51:05 AM »

I would at least train legs with weights for 8-12 sets once a week.  It doesn't have to be super heavy, just intense enough to make the muscles work.  There are plenty of guys who have decent legs who never squat more than 225.  On AAS you really don't need to kill yourself if you don't want big legs.  Your legs will grow even from moderate weight squats and leg press.  Do what makes you happy, but at least train your legs enough for them to grow.  You don't need to kill yourself, it's mainly genetics anyway.  I know guys who don't even train legs who have decent leg mass, but they are on a good amount of AAS.


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thanks man, and that's basically the answer that i was hoping for Cool

but i have just one more question, will these sprints on the stationary bike build up my wheels? (that's if you have any experience with them)

i basically do them to be fit and for some fat burning effects, but if they can also add some wheel size to me then that's even better
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« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2013, 08:50:19 AM »

thanks man, and that's basically the answer that i was hoping for Cool

but i have just one more question, will these sprints on the stationary bike build up my wheels? (that's if you have any experience with them)

i basically do them to be fit and for some fat burning effects, but if they can also add some wheel size to me then that's even better

Actually, heavy sprints on a bike can build your legs pretty well.  Any sort of sprints either running or biking has the capacity to build "some" muscle.  I would prefer you do some actual weight lifting, but you will see some muscle from resistance sprints on a stationary bike.  If you think about the position on the bike, you are pressing and activating the quads, hams and calves more than you think.  I have gotten my legs very sore after doing sprints on the bike.


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« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2013, 07:43:14 PM »

I can't believe this shit.
Fucking get over fear of pins gawdamnit.
Run 250 mg test e or c with your wonderful dbol.
Train fucking legs you pussy.
Your start point is great. Man up bro.
Sorry getbig bros, I'm running low dose tren w my test and this oral only shit is killing.
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« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2013, 07:45:39 PM »

Yeah, meltdown lol
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« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2013, 11:33:42 PM »

you gotta be kidding about soccer players wheels dude, some of those guys got damn big legs

another reason i don't wanna train legs so hard is that i don't want them draining my energy levels for pec, delt, lat and arm training, truth be told (and in fact today is lat, pec and tri day Grin) but i can throw in some squats on bi and delt day

and come on man, i know i'm not mr. handsome, but this fella here ain't that ugly lol



and on a side note, maybe that superdrol i had wasn't legit or it was damn weak, coz i didn't gain much on it or feel so much from it (it's supposed to be super strong and potent, right?) but this dbol is already kicking in after 2 days Shocked
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« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2013, 12:10:47 AM »

and it's true that i am a pussy as far as needles are concerned, but if i ever did get over it and inject, i wouldn't inject test, i'd either inject primo or equipose
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« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2013, 12:38:24 AM »

With hormones in your system you really don't need to train heavy. Just need to stimulate the muscles and feed them! Not many guys love leg day! But we do it because it's necessary! And I also believe that your upper body will grow faster if you work legs. Your body is going to try to stay balanced! Not saying your upper body won't grow. But I think you will get much better results if you include your legs!

As for not wanting to use test... Why? Do you not like being able to get a hard on? Do you enjoy spending more money for less results? Test is the cheapest and best mass builder there is! Not to mention the safest! Some guys will tell you it's gonna make you bloated. But with your condition that's not gonna be a problem! Get a close friend to do your shots for you! Ive done injections for many friends that were scared to do it themself. Once you get used to the feeling, you won't have a problem! And your liver and kidneys will thank you!
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« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2013, 12:52:20 AM »

As for not wanting to use test... Why?

it's gonna make you bloated.

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so i could do GVT on leg press then? 10 sets of 10 with 60% of max weight and 60-90 seconds btw sets ain't so bad

also, my form on squats is horrid coz i can't stay upright and i end up doing modified good mornings ie. gayne norton style lol
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« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2013, 02:26:56 AM »

THIS

so i could do GVT on leg press then? 10 sets of 10 with 60% of max weight and 60-90 seconds btw sets ain't so bad

also, my form on squats is horrid coz i can't stay upright and i end up doing modified good mornings ie. gayne norton style lol

I tried Oral Turinabol for my first cycle because I wanted to see how great this new product was. At that time Tbol was making a comeback on the scene and I thought it would be a good route for a first cycle since it produced all muscle mass with no water going by the profile but I did get some water retention not much but it did cause some water retention plus I had heard from many top NPC guys and old pros that they started their first cycle with just dbol so I gave it a shot and I jumped up 11 pretty lean pounds in 3 weeks. It would of taken me forever to gain 11 pounds without the turinabol and not that much of it was water weight. It was the original British dragon Turinabol and back then you could get pills tested by srcs for 100 $ and they were a little over 9mg per tab. I just ran it for a month because I jumped up a good amount of weight in just a month. I don't think it hurts to use a oral only cycle for your first time you get a idea how your body reacts to AAS and You can def get sides just taking dbol or tbol. I got a little water weight wich I dropped when I used my PCT products and my nips did start to hurt a little when I pushed the TBol to 60mg-70mg a day. I think it was a good cycle to start off on for me.It gave me a good idea of what I was getting into.

I used Test for every other cycle except once I ran anavar solo as well and it worked great. Nice strength gains and no water weight. If you are scared of needles at least buy some androgel and use like 5 packets a day and you will be taking in about 50mg of Test base a day. It is not injectable test but it does work.
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« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2013, 01:02:29 PM »

Large muscle groups you can get away with working them just 1 time a week or 2 times a week but do a light day with burn sets the 2nd leg day.I can squat 2.5 times my body weight and leg press close to 5 times my body weight.
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« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2013, 02:39:44 PM »

if you're doing only dbol, i'm gonna be the one to say "fuck 30mg... use 100mg"

if you use only 20mg, will you regret it? probably

if you use 100mg, will you regret it? probably not.


it's like the guy in the used E-Class who pulls up next to an S-Class. The E-Class driver will usually think "damn, I should've got that one", while the S-CLass driver will never say "damn, I wish I would've got an E-Class". Esp since the damage is the same. In the case of the cars, the damage is the Cost/$$$.. in the case of the Dbol dose, the damage is the liver-enzymes/side effects.

Careful, BP issues may arise. Dbol also makes some people feel like shit at high doses especially for a beginner. Start low, I'd say no more than 30 for a few weeks and increase sloooowly if you choose. BP and heachaches are for real with some orals. After having cycled for a long time, I now can handle a ton of gear, initially it was hell
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« Reply #39 on: August 29, 2013, 03:37:19 PM »

Dbol does give me headaches more often than most other orals.

Great point.


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« Reply #40 on: August 29, 2013, 04:30:32 PM »

Dbol does give me headaches more often than most other orals.

Great point.


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Were the headaches related to an increase in BP?

BP is what scares the crap out of me.
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« Reply #41 on: August 29, 2013, 08:16:41 PM »

i remember getting some pretty nasty headaches when i was on superdrol and when i popped a cialis or viagra

that shit was brutal!

in fact, i'll be taking some cialis tonite as my girl will stop by this night for a visit so we'll see how it goes as far as brutal headaches are concerned

luckily i'm a sober fella and i don't touch alcohol, but i'm wondering if it would it be good to take liv-52?

at this point i've been taking 15 mg an hour before training and then 5 mg about 4-5 hours later and then 10 mg with my last meal, so is that good or should i make it 3 even doses or maybe even go with 20 mg pre-workout and then 5 mg for the other 2 doses, or just stay with two 15 mg doses?

i've read that the half life of dbol is 3.5 to 4 hours and that it's better to take 3 doses per day as opposed to 2 doses
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« Reply #42 on: August 29, 2013, 09:10:21 PM »

i remember getting some pretty nasty headaches when i was on superdrol and when i popped a cialis or viagra

that shit was brutal!

in fact, i'll be taking some cialis tonite as my girl will stop by this night for a visit so we'll see how it goes as far as brutal headaches are concerned

luckily i'm a sober fella and i don't touch alcohol, but i'm wondering if it would it be good to take liv-52?

at this point i've been taking 15 mg an hour before training and then 5 mg about 4-5 hours later and then 10 mg with my last meal, so is that good or should i make it 3 even doses or maybe even go with 20 mg pre-workout and then 5 mg for the other 2 doses, or just stay with two 15 mg doses?

i've read that the half life of dbol is 3.5 to 4 hours and that it's better to take 3 doses per day as opposed to 2 doses

what brand of superdrol did you try? and what brand of dbol are you on? the headaches come from high blood pressure. Cialis and viagra also will give you a headache because it can raise your BP and it also increases blood flow to alot of area not just to your dick. Too much blood to your brain will cause a headache. some bodybuilders pop viagra to get some roadmap vascularity going on. as far as liv-52 use it post cycle not while you are on cycle it can hinder your gains best to just wait till post cycle.
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« Reply #43 on: August 29, 2013, 09:38:53 PM »

i tried 3 different types of sdrol and i don't even remember which ones lol

and on a side note, this sdrol doesn't even compare to this dbol FUCK! i wish that i would have went just straight to the dbol rather than fucking around with this sdrol for over a year Roll Eyes

live and learn i guess
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« Reply #44 on: August 29, 2013, 10:42:09 PM »

Your worried about bloat but you choose to run dbol? I'm confused! I'm currently running 1g test E with 900mg deca with no bloat. Everyone is different.

As for squats, have you tried using smith machine? I only do squats on smith. You can change your foot position to hit different parts of the legs. Might be something to try!
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« Reply #45 on: August 29, 2013, 11:38:30 PM »

i tried 3 different types of sdrol and i don't even remember which ones lol

and on a side note, this sdrol doesn't even compare to this dbol FUCK! i wish that i would have went just straight to the dbol rather than fucking around with this sdrol for over a year Roll Eyes

live and learn i guess

You must not of gotten very good superdrol. Most of all the real high grade superdrol was around when it was still legal back in 05. I remember doing a raw material test with SRCS and it was 99% pure methasteron(superdrol) after that year it seemed every year the superdrol got worse quality. But if you get high grade superdrol I would say it works on the same level of dbol except I think dbol you get more water weight. what brand of dbol are you using? you don't remember any of the brands and you tried 3 of them? I can remember every brand I have tried of any product
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« Reply #46 on: August 29, 2013, 11:40:57 PM »

Your worried about bloat but you choose to run dbol? I'm confused! I'm currently running 1g test E with 900mg deca with no bloat. Everyone is different.

As for squats, have you tried using smith machine? I only do squats on smith. You can change your foot position to hit different parts of the legs. Might be something to try!

A smith machione? I can understand a hack squat machine but a smith machine? That is not how tsquats should be  done. Maybe if you are new to squats you could use a smith machine but your using steroids yet are using a smith machine to do squats?
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« Reply #47 on: August 30, 2013, 12:01:24 AM »

A smith machione? I can understand a hack squat machine but a smith machine? That is not how tsquats should be  done. Maybe if you are new to squats you could use a smith machine but your using steroids yet are using a smith machine to do squats?

Jay cutler only does squats on the smith. It's no different than using hammer strength machines for chest. Don't have to walk the weight out. Takes the pressure off my lower back because you don't have to lean forward at all in fear of falling backwards. I wouldn't suggest it for power lifting purposes. But bodybuilding is all about targeting a specific muscle and avoiding injury. Which is why so many guys use machines. (unless shooting a video) try it before you knock it.
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« Reply #48 on: August 30, 2013, 01:26:53 AM »

Jay cutler only does squats on the smith. It's no different than using hammer strength machines for chest. Don't have to walk the weight out. Takes the pressure off my lower back because you don't have to lean forward at all in fear of falling backwards. I wouldn't suggest it for power lifting purposes. But bodybuilding is all about targeting a specific muscle and avoiding injury. Which is why so many guys use machines. (unless shooting a video) try it before you knock it.

I have tried it but when I was like 15 yrs old. I get your whole idea behind the smith rack you are saying as long as you are contracting the correct muscle it does not really matter. Jay cuttler must be one of the only pros who uses a smith rack. I think it takes more core strength to do regular squats with a squat rack. You are correct in that if you have a injury or have a
area in your back that cannot make a certain movement maybe the smith rack is the best choice. But you will bould bigger legs and develop stronger muscle core strength doing squats with just a squat rack not a smith machine. I am not knocking a smith machine but I don;t understand using a smith machine unless you have a injury you are watching out for. You will get better results using a regular squat rack over the smith machine however a smith machine will give you a pump but as far as building overall leg mass and core strength using the squat rack is the way to go. Smith machine is not pointless just not what most pros use! I don;t care if cuttler uses the smith machine he is one of very few bros who use a smith machine for doing squats that is like what king kamali does.

I think comparing chest- hammer strength machines that they make hammer strength machines for for flat/incline/decline and wide chest are totally more beneficial then comparing a smith machine to a squat rack. If you have a injury I totally understand the method but if no injury I would get a spotter and practice on the squat rack. No offense but doing squats using the smith rack is for somebody young trying to get there form down correct or somebody who has a injury.Way more mass will be built using the squat rack although if you are just going for a muscle pump or contracting a muscle a smith machine will work. Not as well as a squat rack but it will work.
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« Reply #49 on: August 30, 2013, 10:29:00 PM »

Take liv52 before during and after cycle. It works, period.
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