How to lose weight - Cut out 1/3 of your daily food intake!

[Mr Nobody]

And the advice is worth £20, I am sure.

Eat less and you will weigh less, it really is just that simple. One thing that helps is to eat less, but eat more often. If you don't want to fuck your metabolism, you need to keep feeding and fooling your body into believing it is not going to starve.

As long as a diet is realistic and not deprivation, most people should be able to stick with it.

Lately, as soon as I start feeling a little full, I stop eating that meal. Makes for some leftovers for the dogs, but I feel better. Incidentally, I am not trying to lose weight, just stay between 200 and 210, which I have done for the past couple of years.

Ate out tonight at P.F. Changs. Ordered scallops with brown rice and peanuts. All in all pretty healthy stuff. There are some scallops in the icebox for lunch tomorrow. I did eat a lot of the crispy green beans.

True all you got to do is put the fork down. If going into BB contest just drop water and carbs a few days it is not rocket science.

[dj181]

True all you got to do is put the fork down. If going into BB contest just drop water and carbs a few days it is not rocket science.

do you believe that genetics play a role in one's ability to get ripped, or is it all just about willpower?

[cephissus]

do you believe that genetics play a role in one's ability to get ripped, or is it all just about willpower?

 

[ukjeff]

yes.

Is it going to cost me $20 to find out what you mean by optimal?
 
The dictionary definition of "optimal" is "best most favourable"
Do you consider 2lb of chicken and a couple of spoons of peanut butter equalling 1000 cals optimal for gaining muscle whilst losing fat?
Why wouldnt a mixture of foods containing vitamins minerals, mixed protein sources and carbohydrates be any less "optimal"?

one question, and this is something i've always wondered when i read stuff like this, when you say "200g chicken", what EXACTLY do you mean?  just 200g plain chicken breast?  any seasoning?  sauteed, baked, or what?

When Im at work I just have it plain, I cook it on a "Foreman grill" its done in 4 or 5 minutes and is nice and juicy,
At home I would have some sweet chilli dip or maybe barbacue sauce with it.

[Mr Nobody]

do you believe that genetics play a role in one's ability to get ripped, or is it all just about willpower?

Genes rule. If a Endomorph do you think it would be more difficult to get ripped than a Ectomorph anser is yes. Any one can take all the roids they want and how many Mr O's have there been, even Casey a Mesomorph never one the O.

[bigmc]

Is it going to cost me $20 to find out what you mean by optimal?
 
The dictionary definition of "optimal" is "best most favourable"
Do you consider 2lb of chicken and a couple of spoons of peanut butter equalling 1000 cals optimal for gaining muscle whilst losing fat?
Why wouldnt a mixture of foods containing vitamins minerals, mixed protein sources and carbohydrates be any less "optimal"?When Im at work I just have it plain, I cook it on a "Foreman grill" its done in 4 or 5 minutes and is nice and juicy,
At home I would have some sweet chilli dip or maybe barbacue sauce with it.

you only have to look at no one

he is a walking advert for his diet gal too

be interesting if you were able to look at their diet without the pre conception you appear to have

maybe even try it for a few weeks see how it compares to yours

that would bring some real weight to the arguments on either side

your diet is easier in terms of a lifestyle choice and therefore quite appealing

theirs is hardcore but the results certainkly appear to back up their claims

[ukjeff]

maybe even try it for a few weeks see how it compares to yours

I have tried the no carb approach, doesnt work for me, I get hypo.
I have a blood glucose monitor and only last week I got in bed and started sweating and drifting (anyone who has hypos will know what I mean) I got up and tested my blood and it was 1.2.
That was just on low carbs for me.
Someone who I consider very knowledge told me I was very insulin sensitve (I dont really know what it means by the way)

[dj181]

Genes rule. If a Endomorph do you think it would be more difficult to get ripped than a Ectomorph anser is yes. Any one can take all the roids they want and how many Mr O's have there been, even Casey a Mesomorph never one the O.

but he was the youngest mr. america

[Mr Nobody]

I have tried the no carb approach, doesnt work for me, I get hypo.
I have a blood glucose monitor and only last week I got in bed and started sweating and drifting (anyone who has hypos will know what I mean) I got up and tested my blood and it was 1.2.
That was just on low carbs for me.
Someone who I consider very knowledge told me I was very insulin sensitve (I dont really know what it means by the way)

I totally agree with this you got to keep some carbs in until the last few days before a BB contest as you know. How long after eating was the 1.2?

[ukjeff]

I totally agree with this you got to keep some carbs in until the last few days before a BB contest as you know. How long after eating was the 1.2?

A couple of hours, I had a shake with 50gms oats in it.
The guy I mentioned earlier said that as I was on low carbs and put the small amount of carbs in my body produced an insulin kick which overcompensated for the amount of carbs hence the hypo.
AgainI am not an expert , but it makes sense to me.
I got up and had some crunchy nut cornflakes and some biscuits and 20 mins later I tested it again and it read 4.5.

[Mr Nobody]

A couple of hours, I had a shake with 50gms oats in it.
The guy I mentioned earlier said that as I was on low carbs and put the small amount of carbs in my body produced an insulin kick which overcompensated for the amount of carbs hence the hypo.
AgainI am not an expert , but it makes sense to me.
I got up and had some crunchy nut cornflakes and some biscuits and 20 mins later I tested it again and it read 4.5.

There you go my dad had Diabetes maybe get a check on it just being a friend.

[ukjeff]

Normally my blood glucose is 4.5-4.9 it bang in the middle of normal.
If I had diabetes then it would be high most of time as I wouldnt be producing insulin.

[Mr Nobody]

Normally my blood glucose is 4.5-4.9 it bang in the middle of normal.
If I had diabetes then it would be high most of time as I wouldnt be producing insulin.

That's good so why do you have the monitor sounds as if you might be worried about.

[ukjeff]

I bought it to check my blood as it happens on occasion when Im dieting, I have had the occasional one when eating normally.
It was explained to me that after a hard workout when glycogen stores are depleted and you have say a shake with some simple carbs, because of my sensitivity my body produces too much insulin for the amount of carbs hence the hypo, if i bang in some more simple carbs then it uses up the extra insulin and as such normalises.
He also told me Im less likely to become diabetic as my insulin production is good, if a little too good.

Again, Im no expert in this but it makes sense as I was told.

[no one]

Is it going to cost me $20 to find out what you mean by optimal?
 
The dictionary definition of "optimal" is "best most favourable"
Do you consider 2lb of chicken and a couple of spoons of peanut butter equalling 1000 cals optimal for gaining muscle whilst losing fat?

optimal: most favourable or satisfactory.

what would make something most favourable or satisfactory to someone dieting? i thibk if we were to poll the entire board the overwhelming response would be 'results'- results will determine what is most favourable or satisfsctory by those wanting to lose weight.

how is your 'diet' not producing the most favourable results'?

bbers strive for two things when dieting. getting as lean as possible as efficiently as possible, and the holy grail being- the creation of lean tissue while in a calorie deficit.

by your own admittance your diet is not optimal as you say you don't create lean tissue on it, despite being on anabolics. the second reason your diet is not optimal is that fat loss is not as quick as some other systems.

'eating' or the ability 'to eat food' in a diet does not make it optimal. the foods and amounts do not make it optimal.

'optimal' in this vein then is strictly results based. your 'diet' is simply not optimal given the above points.

I hope his clears up some of the confusion for you.

[ukjeff]

optimal: most favourable or satisfactory.

what would make something most favourable or satisfactory to someone dieting? i thibk if we were to poll the entire board the overwhelming response would be 'results'- results will determine what is most favourable or satisfsctory by those wanting to lose weight.

how is your 'diet' not producing the most favourable results'?

bbers strive for two things when dieting. getting as lean as possible as efficiently as possible, and the holy grail being- the creation of lean tissue while in a calorie deficit.

by your own admittance your diet is not optimal as you say you don't create lean tissue on it, despite being on anabolics. the second reason your diet is not optimal is that fat loss is not as quick as some other systems.

'eating' or the ability 'to eat food' in a diet does not make it optimal. the foods and amounts do not make it optimal.

'optimal' in this vein then is strictly results based. your 'diet' is simply not optimal given the above points.

I hope his clears up some of the confusion for you.

Im not confused, I just wanted your views thats all.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Could it be the lean tissue you are gaining is simply glycogen stores in the muscle fluctuating and the muscles having a fuller look and you weighing heavier?
How much muscle have you gained whilst in your long term restricted calorie diet, say in the last 12 months?
From what I gather from your previous posts you are eating around a 1000 cals then binge eating to replenish (I don't know how many cals you have on these days then fast for a day?) then back on a 1000?

So couldn't the muscle gains (if they exist) be due to the nourishment that you bang in on your binge days?

by your own admittance your diet is not optimal as you say you don't create lean tissue on it, despite being on anabolics. the second reason your diet is not optimal is that fat loss is not as quick as some other systems.

I suspect that you are not actually creating any new tissue either.

[bigmc]

does anyone remember the anabolic burst diet

which was basicall starve for two weeks then eat like a pig for two

feast and famine so to speak

[dj181]

hahaha

dj has his moments, without even knowing when hes hillarious

truth be told, i was just trying to stir some shit up and mr. toughguy seapiss fell for it lol

[bigmc]

The neutered Jeff/Mike is just not as much fun as he used to be.

I guess he needed this board more than it needed him.

word is its killing him

its the first board where he has bent over and taken it in the ass to stay

normally he gets banned

its our duty to support him in this difficult transitional period

[ukjeff]

The neutered Jeff/Mike is just not as much fun as he used to be.

I guess he needed this board more than it needed him.

Lol...when Im being productive and offering advice Im not as much fun.
I cant win.  

[ukjeff]

word is its killing him

its the first board where he has bent over and taken it in the ass to stay

normally he gets banned

its our duty to support him in this difficult transitional period

 

[bigmc]

Lol...when Im being productive and offering advice Im not as much fun.
I cant win.  

how about this ground breaking idea

be positive in the informative productive threads

and be a cu nt in the silly ones

[no one]

Im not confused, I just wanted your views thats all.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Could it be the lean tissue you are gaining is simply glycogen stores in the muscle fluctuating and the muscles having a fuller look and you weighing heavier?
How much muscle have you gained whilst in your long term restricted calorie diet, say in the last 12 months?
From what I gather from your previous posts you are eating around a 1000 cals then binge eating to replenish (I don't know how many cals you have on these days then fast for a day?) then back on a 1000?

So couldn't the muscle gains (if they exist) be due to the nourishment that you bang in on your binge days?I suspect that you are not actually creating any new tissue either.

after 20 years of training, dieting, and using anabolics I have a very real grasp in the differece between water gain, glycogen, and lean tissue accumulation. the fact I 'look' the way I do should tell you I know my body very very well. you don't get to this level of development just by consuming anabolics and random calories and hoping it all works out.

so, that being said, you 'suspecting' that I'm not gaining lean tissue in a severe deficit does not make it fact.

what does make it fact is that I say that I am. it's really quite that simple.
 
why am i bothering to debate you in all this, despite knowing your only going to continue to blindly follow your own path? because others are experiencing the very things I am talking about in my posts here. i am not an anomoly. if I can save someone the pain of failure from following a less than optimal system, and make then pause for a moment and *think* then I've planted a seed that will hopefully bear then fruit in the years to come as they chase and attain their own aspirations and goals.

cheers.

[Primemuscle]

do you believe that genetics play a role in one's ability to get ripped, or is it all just about willpower?

Genetics definitely plays a role. While it might be possible for anyone to get ripped, it is easier for some than others, just as it is easier for some people to gain size and muscle than others. It isn't all willpower. 

[King Shizzo]

Here is another helpful tip (especially for naturals). Dont be afraid to front load calories if you work a manual labor job. It would be smart to eat the bulk of your daily intake while you are working(burning calories). Eat just enough to stave off hunger after you are done working.