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« on: September 26, 2013, 11:05:19 AM »

Based on the science we have training to failure is optimal for hypertrophy. The thing is I rarely see most pros train to failure. Didn't dorian train to failure on just about every set?
 Personally I have always made my best size gains in the 12-20 rep range. My best strength gains in the 6-8 rep range. Then again if you look at Olympic lifters they have huge huge quads, spinal erectors, and often very well developed traps and  delts but rarely do more than 3-5 reps during their training.

I also find it hard to believe training a muscle once per week  is really optimal especially for small bodyparts like biceps,calves etc which often recover in 24-48 hours.
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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2013, 11:08:03 AM »

Define failure
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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2013, 11:13:47 AM »

You have to train to failure, however at the moment I am doing 75-80 sets per bodypart not to failure. Wonder which will work?
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« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2013, 11:23:56 AM »

You have to train to failure, however at the moment I am doing 75-80 sets per bodypart not to failure. Wonder which will work?

why not do 1000 sets?
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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2013, 11:25:24 AM »

i train as hard as i can on any given day

sometimes im an animal

sometimes i go through the motions

i dont beat myself up about it

if im in animal mode i go all out and maximise the session

if its aint there i try and mix it up a little maybe do circuits
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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2013, 11:34:37 AM »

why not do 1000 sets?
I don't have the energy for that.
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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2013, 11:42:24 AM »

Define failure
I was just about to ask that.

 at the end of my chest workouts I can not do 1 single push up, so I would classify that as training to failure but I did not necessarily do every set to failure but the job got done
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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2013, 11:48:28 AM »

MOS doesn't fail.
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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2013, 11:48:43 AM »

Based on the science we have training to failure is optimal for hypertrophy. The thing is I rarely see most pros train to failure. Didn't dorian train to failure on just about every set?
 Personally I have always made my best size gains in the 12-20 rep range. My best strength gains in the 6-8 rep range. Then again if you look at Olympic lifters they have huge huge quads, spinal erectors, and often very well developed traps and  delts but rarely do more than 3-5 reps during their training.

I also find it hard to believe training a muscle once per week  is really optimal especially for small bodyparts like biceps,calves etc which often recover in 24-48 hours.

I agree on all points.

12-20 reps, failing at rep 20 seems to grow me the best. Also everything twice a week if possible.
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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2013, 11:57:02 AM »

without! having that retarde post workout shake Cheesy

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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2013, 12:00:38 PM »

MOS doesn't fail.
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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2013, 12:04:29 PM »

You have to train to failure, however at the moment I am doing 75-80 sets per bodypart not to failure. Wonder which will work?

Hi Milos.
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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2013, 12:06:55 PM »

i do on some and not others, on most isolation exercises like bicep curls ,lat raises etc, i go to failure, also to failure on chins and dips. on squats and deads i think when form gets sloppy it's easy to cause injury so i prefer to do a set number of reps, normally in the 8-12 range but not going too close to failure. bench i usually go to one before failure or failure on occasions.
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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2013, 12:14:39 PM »

You have to train to failure, however at the moment I am doing 75-80 sets per bodypart not to failure. Wonder which will work?

You're joking right Huh



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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2013, 12:34:27 PM »

I just get in and get out. 20 sets is tops for me during the week. Try to manage time and keep workouts under 1 hour.

Training with a training partner a few years back while competing, hitting drop sets, failure, etc. around 20-25 sets and once home I only had the energy to fix dinner and before bedtime snack.

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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2013, 01:30:47 PM »

Hi Milos.
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2013, 01:39:38 PM »

Define failure

Not being able to do another complete rep.
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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2013, 01:42:50 PM »

For me usually 3-4 sets per exercise 4-5 exercises per bodypart. Rep range 6-20. Going to failure is not the central theme of my lifting but it happens sometimes. I train alone. I prefer a drop set to forced reps. If I had a good training partner I may do forced reps occasionally.
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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2013, 01:45:22 PM »

I remember hearing that an advanced bodybuilder does his hardest reps in the middle of the set. I agree.

If you have a strong mind-muscle link, your contractions will peak in the middle and start  to weaken towards the end of the set.
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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2013, 02:11:23 PM »

I mainly train for strength first so I sparingly train to failure* on most compound lifts and major exercises. It's usually planned, only at certain points in my workout cycle and the last set.  

Certain muscle groups can be taken to failure more often than others. Example back(minus the spinal erectors) and legs can take a beating while chest and shoulders need more recovery. For me, personally.

*my definition of failure is: failing to complete a rep
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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2013, 02:12:52 PM »

On the big compound lifts I stop 1 or 2 reps before failure, as forms starts to break down and can cause injuries. Failure happens accidentally on these lifts, by misjudging my ability to get the next rep.
On the smaller isolation movements like lateral raises and curls I am more likely to hit failure.
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« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2013, 02:16:16 PM »

On the big compound lifts I stop 1 or 2 reps before failure, as forms starts to break down and can cause injuries. Failure happens accidentally on these lifts.
On the smaller isolation movements like lateral raises and curls I am more likely to hit failure.

This illustrates that there two types of failure: technical and total, the latter of which is where the injuries tend to occur.
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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2013, 03:04:41 PM »

I don't have the energy for that.

You should eat more kelp
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« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2013, 03:07:00 PM »

You have to train to failure, however at the moment I am doing 75-80 sets per bodypart not to failure. Wonder which will work?

75-80 sets? Whoa. How long are you in the gym?
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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2013, 03:08:59 PM »

75-80 sets? Whoa. How long are you in the gym?
8-9 hours. I saw alot of nice women.
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