Liver Tumors

[tommywishbone]

Liver Tumors wouldn't be a bad name for a band.

[Antonio fella]

Liv52.

Liver of piece

[randy841]

Wasn't Munzer's stomach full of tumors?  I venture to guess that there are quite a few bodybuilders with tumors in their bodies and they don't even know it.

No indication of tumours.

He basically bled to death - blood ceased to coagulate.



"they just opened him up did some poking around saw all the blood and closed his gut. No autopsy."

[ether]

Are you a Dr?  Do you think HGH speeds up the growth of these tumors?  Also do you think estrogen spikes which can occur with cycling AAS is a main cause of hepatic adenomas in bodybuilders?

I know of at least three young bodybuilders to have these tumors (two malignant).  

Yes, there are a lot on gb
No clue if HGH makes them grow, how could you study that?
Estrogen is the chief cause but I'm not sure if an estrogen blocker would prevent them while on; I'm not an endocrinologist so really have no clue about that

I have seen a bunch of males with adenomas all on sauce, I feel sorry for them when they try to deny it but know they are caught
 
PJ Braun had one that ruptured although he and Palumbo lied and said it was a hemangioma that burst which almost NEVER happens

[WalterWhite]

Yes, there are a lot on gb
No clue if HGH makes them grow, how could you study that?
Estrogen is the chief cause but I'm not sure if an estrogen blocker would prevent them while on; I'm not an endocrinologist so really have no clue about that

I have seen a bunch of males with adenomas all on sauce, I feel sorry for them when they try to deny it but know they are caught
 
PJ Braun had one that ruptured although he and Palumbo lied and said it was a hemangioma that burst which almost NEVER happens

The studies I cited at least show trending data in regards to HGH and tumor growth. 

And PJ continues to use!!

[Gonuclear]

No indication of tumours.

He basically bled to death - blood ceased to coagulate.



"they just opened him up did some poking around saw all the blood and closed his gut. No autopsy."

Really a sad story.   

[Primemuscle]

I feel bad for this guys, but when you abuse steroids and mostly orals bad things are going to happen.
It's bad luck but the user is the only one to blaime.

One would think that as soon as their liver was in a little trouble they would know it. It is important that anyone doing anything to compromise liver function, including using some prescription drugs, should have annual or even semi-annual liver panels.

[Gonuclear]

One would think that as soon as their liver was in a little trouble they would know it. It is important that anyone doing anything to compromise liver function, including using some prescription drugs, should have annual or even semi-annual liver panels.

That's an excellent suggestion - the semi-annual liver test.  I don't use bodybuilding drugs, but I do take a statin, and I get this test done.  They can tell if your liver is being damaged, and you can then stop the drugs before it's too late.

[Primemuscle]

That's an excellent suggestion - the semi-annual liver test.  I don't use bodybuilding drugs, but I do take a statin, and I get this test done.  They can tell if your liver is being damaged, and you can then stop the drugs before it's too late.

Same reason, I too use a statin.

[The Ugly]

Really a sad story.   

I can't believe people are still willing to subject themselves to such abuse. More and more are ending up on an autopsy gurney prematurely, just like poor Andreas. It's absolutely insane.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Can we get a list of body parts that grow by HGH without the need of scientific research?

I'll start

Head
Feet
Hands
Bones
Heart
Penis(many claim-no homo)
Vag(many claim-yes hetero)

More?

[Primemuscle]

Can we get a list of body parts that grow by HGH without the need of scientific research?

I'll start

Head
Feet
Hands
Bones
Heart
Penis(many claim-no homo)
Vag(many claim-yes hetero)

More?

Where can I get some HGH, fast?

After the prostatectomy, my penis shrunk about 1 1/2" due to the removal of the prostate which shortened the urethra by about that much. It wasn't huge before, but it was passable. As a result, I had to retire from a long career as a porn actor. 

 

[ProudVirgin69]

That's an excellent suggestion - the semi-annual liver test.  I don't use bodybuilding drugs, but I do take a statin, and I get this test done.  They can tell if your liver is being damaged, and you can then stop the drugs before it's too late.

What test is this?  No blood test--that i am aware of--can tell if permanent damage is being done to the liver.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Where can I get some HGH, fast?

After the prostatectomy, my penis shrunk about 1 1/2" due to the removal of the prostate which shortened the urethra by about that much. It wasn't huge before, but it was passable. As a result, I had to retire from a long career as a porn actor. 

 

mANY say GH effects girth no so much length-no homo

[Big Chiro Flex]

What test is this?  No blood test--that i am aware of--can tell if permanent damage is being done to the liver.

I believe he was just referring to AST/ALT levels.

[Primemuscle]

What test is this?  No blood test--that i am aware of--can tell if permanent damage is being done to the liver.

Check this out, http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/elevated-liver-enzymes/MY00508. This is what is tested when you have a liver enzyme test. It helps alert you and your doctor to unhealthy changes in your liver.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

In America, over 1/2 the adult population will have some form of fatty liver...

[ProudVirgin69]

I believe he was just referring to AST/ALT levels.

Ok well that certainly won't indicate the presence of a tumor/adenoma.... only an mri can tell you that

[Primemuscle]

Ok well that certainly won't indicate the presence of a tumor/adenoma.... only an mri can tell you that

Are you saying that liver tumors produce no symptoms?

[Gonuclear]

Girls and sons who have not been loved by their fathers seek attention once teens and adults to compensate for what they didnt have originally. Fathers either left them alone, or were distant most of the time and not encouraging them. Some even despised them which would shape their personality and the way they d interact with others for the rest of their life.
They are extremistic in everything they do, always looking exageratly for attention, and have troubles adapting to society's rules, because they also have troubles defining their own identity and respecting authority and hierarchy.


Also boys who got picked on by others during childhood and adolescence -often sons without a father figure- try to compensate by lifting weights, to develop muscles and survive in ther male world. They re insecure because they re girly, childish, feminine having been raised by a single mom. They lift obsessively hoping it will transform them into men, to compensate for their lack of influence from a father figure that was not there. Unfortunaltey they can get as big as they can it doesnt cure their insecurity and who they truly are, how they grew up being raised by a single mom. They re no as manly as other men whatever they do, and they often have a big lack of masculine presence they dont know how to balance, hence often being borderline homosexuals while trying to get their manhood back thru various manly activities (mma, cars, weight lifting etc). They are often the ones that, in order to get respect from other males will go the steroids route to get even "bigger" attemptint to cure their insecurity , but being natural not being "enough", they still feel "too small", insecure, amongst other males. The lack of a father figure also often means they didnt have guidance to continue studies and are often working shitty manual jobs.

Terrific level of self-knowledge.

[Primemuscle]

Girls and sons who have not been loved by their fathers seek attention once teens and adults to compensate for what they didn't have originally. Fathers either left them alone, or were distant most of the time and not encouraging them. Some even despised them which would shape their personality and the way they d interact with others for the rest of their life.
They are extremist in everything they do, always looking exaggeratedly for attention, and have troubles adapting to society's rules, because they also have troubles defining their own identity and respecting authority and hierarchy.


Also boys who got picked on by others during childhood and adolescence -often sons without a father figure- try to compensate by lifting weights, to develop muscles and survive in the male world. They re insecure because they re girly, childish, feminine having been raised by a single mom. They lift obsessively hoping it will transform them into men, to compensate for their lack of influence from a father figure that was not there. Unfortunately they can get as big as they can it doesn't cure their insecurity and who they truly are, how they grew up being raised by a single mom. They re no as manly as other men whatever they do, and they often have a big lack of masculine presence they don't know how to balance, hence often being borderline homosexuals while trying to get their manhood back thru various manly activities (mma, cars, weight lifting etc.). They are often the ones that, in order to get respect from other males will go the steroids route to get even "bigger" attempt to cure their insecurity , but being natural not being "enough", they still feel "too small", insecure, amongst other males. The lack of a father figure also often means they didn't have guidance to continue studies and are often working shitty manual jobs.

There are a lot of generalizations in the above statement, some exaggerations and some falsehoods. For me and for many others there are a lot of truths. In the end, knowing this changes nothing.

[Ropo]

No indication of tumours.

He basically bled to death - blood ceased to coagulate.



"they just opened him up did some poking around saw all the blood and closed his gut. No autopsy."

"Death[edit source]

After months of stomach pain, Münzer was admitted to hospital on the morning of March 12. By 7pm, doctors had decided to operate to stop bleeding from his stomach, but shortly afterwards his liver and then kidneys failed. His condition by this point was too severe for a blood transfusion—he died on the morning of March 14, aged 31.[1][2]

The autopsy gave the cause of death as dystrophic multiple-organ-failure.[3] Some of the specific autopsy findings:[3]
An extremely muscular physique, with an almost complete absence of subcutaneous fat
Affecting the liver were numerous table-tennis-ball-sized tumors; half the liver consisted simply of a crumbly mass, similar to polystyrene (Styrofoam)
Diminutive testes
Cardiac hypertrophy (Münzer's heart weighed 636g; a normal man's heart usually weighs 300–350g)

Münzer's electrolytes were also completely out of balance, and his potassium levels were extremely high. Traces of about twenty different drugs were found, along with acute toxicity (perhaps caused by a stimulant).
"

[arce1988]

 ether is the man when it comes to the liver

[bigdumbbell]

interesting thread. seriously thanks

[Mobil]

i wish the guy would chime on this thread to inform some of us... was he taking alot orals??? i only take test and decca.... so these guys that abuse orals.. i would like for him to be honest and tell us what he took...