US Default Averted -- Tea Party Hijacking For Nil

[Necrosis]

How is single-payer not a good thing?  For those not working in the insurance industry, that is.

He is a moron, he doesn't understand the arguments being presented, the important point is how he keeps harping that those who disagree are Liberal Shills, meanwhile he posts nonsense that doesn't support his claims.

[Archer77]

He is a moron, he doesn't understand the arguments being presented, the important point is how he keeps harping that those who disagree are Liberal Shills, meanwhile he posts nonsense that doesn't support his claims.

Single payers is vastly superior to the ACA.  The government would have at least some negotiating power over drug costs.

[Necrosis]

Single payers is vastly superior to the ACA.  The government would have at least some negotiating power over drug costs.

Certainly.

[Voice of Doom]

Certainly.

Costs go down when there is competition.  Single payer AND the ACA are both collusions of big government and big business.  Both seek to control what you can have and what it costs you. 

Eliminate the monopolies of each and prices will come down to what people can afford.  The price discovery mechanism can only funtion in a free market.

[mphgrove]

The Tea Party sympathizers moan on and on about how bad the rollout of Obamacare is going.  The hypocritical part of this is that they really want it to fail - so why all the moaning and negativity.  They should be celebrating.  The American people (about 70 percent of the American people) can all see right through this, thus the 28 percent approval rating.  Let's hear some solutions, not just constant tearing down.  The negativity is getting OLD.

[Mr.1derful]

Costs go down when there is competition.  Single payer AND the ACA are both collusions of big government and big business.  Both seek to control what you can have and what it costs you. 

Eliminate the monopolies of each and prices will come down to what people can afford.  The price discovery mechanism can only funtion in a free market.

This

[mphgrove]

Single payer is politically impossible in the U.S. at this point in history ("socialized medicine" even though it only deals with the payer side, not the provider side).  Eliminating insurance companies and going with a pure free market pricing model is ridiculous.  Where's the protection against catastrophic health care costs for the individual or family?  Insurance underwriting standards MUST largely be eliminated to ensure access for all.  Otherwise insurance companies can simply deny coverage (pre-existing conditions) as they have done in the past or charge unbearably high premiums for people with health problems such that these individuals end up without coverage.  Telling the insurers they cannot turn anyone down but that every American will come to them for a policy makes the finances work out (we hope).

The Affordable Care Act represents a reasonable compromise in regard to these considerations.  It gives everybody coverage (in fact, requires coverage in the same way as most states require automobile liability coverage), largely eliminates insurance underwriting (carriers must sell to everyone) and avoids giving the payer role to the government.  Think about strengths and weaknesses of Medicare to form your own opinion as to whether the government is an efficient payer. I prefer an efficiently run insurance company (despite profits)to the government taking on this role.

Obamacare basically makes good sense!

[Mr. MB]

Yeah it does...too bad it was created by academics, not businessmen/women, programed by idiots (how do you like the cool rollout) and run by bureaucrats. Its so F'ed up my wife's plan Blue Cross will double Jan. 1st.

[theredeemer]

Hey there trendy, enjoy the few extra months of life support.

Tea Party tactics: engage in futile brinksmanship in an effort to oppose already well-ensconced law (Obamacare), in exchange for: sinking the Republican brand's favorability rating to its lowest level in at least three decades (the data go back to 1993 but it's unlikely Republicans were less popular in the 1980's than now, given presidential election results), increase the rift between moderate and conservative Republicans and thus damage future presidential campaign efforts, hamper US economic growth to the tune of $20+ billion this quarter, and potentially threaten the creditworthiness of the country for...well, nothing. Brilliant!



Markets rise as US strikes deal to avert debt crisis
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/10384399/Markets-rise-as-US-strikes-deal-to-avert-debt-crisis.html

"Markets rose sharply as President Barack Obama and Republicans agreed to reopen the US government and, crucially, increase the country’s $16.7 trillion (£10.5 trillion) borrowing limit, with just hours to go before a final deadline.

The eleventh-hour deal came as companies on both sides of the Atlantic made contingency plans in case lawmakers in Washington had failed to reach an agreement, which could have thrown the global economy back into recession."

[asbrus]

H0LY SHIT Y0U GUYS HAVE N0 LIFE.

[agenda21nwo]

H0LY SHIT Y0U GUYS HAVE N0 LIFE.

Obama wants to give you free things~  Cheer up!  Never mind us folk who have a fully functioning brain - I know we can be so ANNOYING!

[The Ugly]

Ass bruise.

[mphgrove]

Shows WE HAVE A LIFE much more when we post back and forth about the size of Kai's chest.

[Natural Man]

Its pretty obvious they ll keep printing money as they cant do anything else... until china says stop. When it happens china will be held responsible, and not the american politicians , megacorp bosses, journalists etc. They dont want to be held responsible and want the hot papato to end in china's hands. Then mass poverty, then after a decade or two, wars, with the rich ones from all countries at the top of the human pyramid, leading the dumbest, poorest ones, against each others...again. When there s no more growth , you have to destroy, to rebuild, and recreate growth. How many times in the past have we seen the exact same scenario happen.

[Nomad]

and Commie Obamacare still sucks and will continue to sink the government more and more into debt.

Oh yea, lets blame tea parties and republicans for trying to be somewhat fiscally responsible and save some fucking money.

[240 is Back]

tea party was 100% right ot want to slash spending.  RINOS and DEMS are blowing $ we won't have for a hundred years.

However, it is cruz/tea party that fought for months to achieve a shutdown, so their sudden "don't put my name on it!" reaction is piss poor also, now that Palin, Rush, and other repubs are calling obama the winner and tea party fail. 

SO it's like both sides are right, and wrong.

[mphgrove]

Agree we need to slash spending, including entitlements!  Lots of time we look in all the wrong places.  Yesterday Wall Street Journal article detailed the trend for American candy manufacturers to take all their jobs overseas because sugar costs twice as much in USA as overseas.  Why?  Nice fat subsidies to the agri-business sugar producers.  (I'm still in favor of Obamacare - a developed nation like ours should not have millions of people running around without health insurance).