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The Barack Obama big spender myth
« on: October 28, 2013, 05:23:23 AM »
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/the-barack-obama-big-spender-myth-1.2251993

The Barack Obama big spender myth

I'm generally against using any word invented during my lifetime. But "meme" actually does seem to best describe the ill-informed discussion here about Barack Obama and spending.

A meme, according to Webster, is "an idea that spreads from person to person within a culture."

And the meme here, at the moment, is that Obama's wild, uncontrolled spending is dragging a once prosperous nation into a future of indentured servitude.

Obama's opponents are constantly inventing new apocalyptic metaphors. Mitt Romney, when he was running for president last year, settled on "Obama's debt and spending inferno."

And Americans seem overwhelmingly to believe them — by more than 80 per cent, according to some polling.

The assumption also seems to underpin a lot of popular journalism. Articles here on the deranged political brinkmanship of the past few weeks would often nod toward the idea that, whatever the tactics employed by the Tea Party extremists, their primary concern about America's disastrous fiscal escalation was correct.

Well. To quote the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, everyone's entitled to his own opinions, but not to his own facts.

And the fact is that while government spending here did seem out of control just a few years ago, it is now declining, two years in a row in fact. So is the deficit, sharply.

Also, according to the Pulitzer-prize-winning fact checkers at PolitiFact, when compared to the spending of the nine presidents who preceded him, Obama's rate of spending in his first term in office ranks at or near the bottom of the list.

Whether in raw dollars or adjusted for inflation, both George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan increased spending at a much faster clip than the current president, who is so commonly described by his conservative opponents as a free-spending socialist.

Now, it is true that statistics on the U.S. economy comprise a dense, confusing undergrowth that most people, including most journalists, would rather not enter.

And those who are fearless enough to crawl in sometimes emerge with different conclusions.

After PolitiFact published its findings last year, and Obama's officials tweeted them, the Washington Post's fact-checking department, which is equally respected, rendered a somewhat different view. (Both organizations used data from the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office and the Office of Management and Budget).

The Post chose to judge Obama's spending in relation to the size of the U.S. economy.

By that measure, spending in 2009, when Obama took office, jumped from 20.8 per cent of GDP to 25.2 per cent, a historic high, but one that should be seen against the backdrop of a tanking economy.

Federal spending has since declined to 23.3 per cent of GDP in 2013 – still above the 40-year average, according to the CBO, but on a precipice to continue falling for the next few years, at least as a proportion of the country's economic output.

Still, the Post's assessment also defied the whole idea — the meme — that spending under Obama is "out of control."

The idea of Obama as a pathological spender seems to have originated early in his administration.

His detractors, especially those in the Tea Party, blamed him for two pieces of policy they despised above all else: the $787-billion stimulus package of early 2009, and the massive Wall Street bailout a few months earlier.

Thing is, the Wall Street bailout was the creation of staunch Republican and self-described "market guy" George W. Bush. He signed it into law on Oct. 3, 2008, a month before Obama won the White House and nearly four months before Obama took office.

If the stimulus package made Obama a socialist, what exactly did rushing to rescue grossly negligent private banks with hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars make George W. Bush? (Or, for that matter, Bush's earlier decision to provide American seniors with subsidized drugs?)

In any event, the blazing central fact is that the 2008 economic meltdown, and not any single president, was responsible for the crash in revenues and the balloon in U.S. debt whose effects are being felt to this day.

Bush did what he had to do. So did Obama. But in the years since, Obama has brought both spending and the deficit down considerably.

Still, a serious spending problem remains. It's just a lot of people here don't want to talk about that aspect of it at all, let alone see it remedied.

Social Security, America's version of the Canada Pension Plan, and Medicare, under which the government pays health-care costs for Americans over the age of 65, are indeed careering out of control.

They become less sustainable every year, as the boomer generation retires and falls back on government support. Those entitlements are growing at a rate of six and seven per cent a year, well above everything else.

For obvious reasons, most Americans don't want to discuss hacking those particular programs, aging Tea Partiers included, there being no greater economic or political force than self-interest.

So, for now, Americans are taking shelter in their pet misconceptions. For example, that they are only taking out of Medicare and Social Security what they paid in over the years.

Or that sufficient savings can come from cutting "waste, fraud and abuse." Or, among conservatives, that cutting taxes will cause wild economic growth and solve everything.

Obama says his four-year old law, Obamacare, will bring health-care costs down. Republicans say it'll do the opposite. But the Obama-spender meme is embedded in that subject, too.

Recently, CNBC polled two groups. One group was asked about Obamacare, and 46 per cent of respondents were opposed. A second group was asked about the Affordable Care Act, and 36 per cent disapproved.

Obamacare, of course, IS the Affordable Care Act.

The U.S. government almost certainly needs to spend less and raise taxes if the entitled American way of life is to continue.

As Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Analytics puts it: "I don't think we can realistically grow out of our long-term fiscal problems. We will need more long-term fiscal restraint and tax revenues."

Barack Obama will almost certainly be an ex-president by the time entitlements are fixed, if they ever are. And Americans will no doubt find someone else to blame for the underfunded nanny state they treasure.

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Re: The Barack Obama big spender myth
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2013, 05:58:42 AM »
It's a myth that before hussein became president the national debt was 10.6 trillion. That is the amount of the previous administrations up to that point.

Now it's $17 trillion and growing.

We will be at $20 trillion by the time the failure in chief leaves in 2016.

So much for cutting debt by half after his first 4 years.

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Re: The Barack Obama big spender myth
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2013, 11:09:04 AM »
Real-person version of the article:

If you buy a multi-million dollar mansion that you can't afford one year...but only buy a Bugatti Veyron that you can't afford the next year, you're essentially being frugal
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Re: The Barack Obama big spender myth
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2013, 03:36:37 PM »
It's a myth that before hussein became president the national debt was 10.6 trillion. That is the amount of the previous administrations up to that point.

Now it's $17 trillion and growing.

We will be at $20 trillion by the time the failure in chief leaves in 2016.

So much for cutting debt by half after his first 4 years.

the article is factual true, shut up. Bush left a huge tab which skews the figures.

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Re: The Barack Obama big spender myth
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2013, 04:26:52 PM »
the article is factual true, shut up. Bush left a huge tab which skews the figures.
LMFAO so obama gets credit for saving the auto industry and bush gets the blame for saving the banking industry?

the double standards you libtards will contort yourself into is fuking amusing

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Re: The Barack Obama big spender myth
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2013, 04:53:47 PM »
LMFAO so obama gets credit for saving the auto industry and bush gets the blame for saving the banking industry?

the double standards you libtards will contort yourself into is fuking amusing

Bless your heart.

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Re: The Barack Obama big spender myth
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2013, 04:59:35 PM »
Bless your heart.
tell us all again how 100% of 0 is greater than 95% of 100

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Re: The Barack Obama big spender myth
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2013, 08:44:57 PM »
Wrong board WOOO. The board for delusions is down below.

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Re: The Barack Obama big spender myth
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2013, 04:04:22 AM »
Obama has the biggest case of being Neeghul Rich in the history of mankind.

Too bad it's with other peoples money.
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Re: The Barack Obama big spender myth
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2013, 06:06:29 AM »
LMFAO so obama gets credit for saving the auto industry and bush gets the blame for saving the banking industry?

the double standards you libtards will contort yourself into is fuking amusing

Jesus you are stupid, where did I say anything you are saying? Obama is not the biggest spender in history, it's a fact.

Also, the auto industry was a victim of the systemic problem created by the banks, so no bailing out the banks and auto-industry are not comparable regardless.

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Re: The Barack Obama big spender myth
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2013, 08:01:29 AM »
Obama has the biggest case of being Neeghul Rich in the history of mankind.

Too bad it's with other peoples money.

how?

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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2013, 09:37:34 AM »

how?

Do you know what Neeghul Rich means?
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Re: The Barack Obama big spender myth
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2013, 09:44:43 AM »
Jesus you are stupid, where did I say anything you are saying? Obama is not the biggest spender in history, it's a fact.

Also, the auto industry was a victim of the systemic problem created by the banks, so no bailing out the banks and auto-industry are not comparable regardless.

THE BIGGEST SPENDER: OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANYONE IN HISTORY OF WORLD
by TONY LEE  18 Jun 2012

It’s official. President Barack Obama is the biggest spender in the history of the world. And that is not hyperbole. Like a shopaholic who denies the addiction, Obama has consistently been in denial about his reckless spending addiction. Despite President Barack Obama’s denials, though, an analysis by Forbes shows there has not been a greater spender than Obama.

According to Forbes, “Obama’s own fiscal 2013 budget ... shows federal spending increasing from $2.983 trillion in 2008 to an all time record $3.796 trillion in 2012, an increase of 27.3%” and, “before Obama there had never been a deficit anywhere near $1 trillion.”

In addition,  Obama had four consecutive budget deficits of over a trillion dollars and, in just one term, will “will have increased the national debt as much as all prior Presidents, from George Washington to George Bush, combined.”


And according to the study, budget proposals supported by Obama and Congressional Democrats will increase federal spending to the point where it will become 80% of the GDP if not reined in.

And in the short term, according to Forbes:

Obama’s 2013 budget proposes to spend $47 trillion over the next 10 years, the most in world history by far, increasing federal spending by $1.5 trillion above the current CBO baseline.


The first step in treating Obama’s spending addiction will be for him to admit he has a problem. What should scare Americans is that Obama seems a long way from even realizing he has a spending problem, let alone admitting that he does.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/18/The-Biggest-Spender-Obama-Has-Spent-More-Money-Than-Anyone-In-History-of-World

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Re: The Barack Obama big spender myth
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2013, 10:18:02 AM »
THE BIGGEST SPENDER: OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANYONE IN HISTORY OF WORLD
by TONY LEE  18 Jun 2012

It’s official. President Barack Obama is the biggest spender in the history of the world. And that is not hyperbole. Like a shopaholic who denies the addiction, Obama has consistently been in denial about his reckless spending addiction. Despite President Barack Obama’s denials, though, an analysis by Forbes shows there has not been a greater spender than Obama.

According to Forbes, “Obama’s own fiscal 2013 budget ... shows federal spending increasing from $2.983 trillion in 2008 to an all time record $3.796 trillion in 2012, an increase of 27.3%” and, “before Obama there had never been a deficit anywhere near $1 trillion.”

In addition,  Obama had four consecutive budget deficits of over a trillion dollars and, in just one term, will “will have increased the national debt as much as all prior Presidents, from George Washington to George Bush, combined.”


And according to the study, budget proposals supported by Obama and Congressional Democrats will increase federal spending to the point where it will become 80% of the GDP if not reined in.

And in the short term, according to Forbes:

Obama’s 2013 budget proposes to spend $47 trillion over the next 10 years, the most in world history by far, increasing federal spending by $1.5 trillion above the current CBO baseline.


The first step in treating Obama’s spending addiction will be for him to admit he has a problem. What should scare Americans is that Obama seems a long way from even realizing he has a spending problem, let alone admitting that he does.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/18/The-Biggest-Spender-Obama-Has-Spent-More-Money-Than-Anyone-In-History-of-World


Again, incorrect, it is combining the tax cuts, wars etc from 2008 and attributing them to Obama. The original article is correct, this isn't a my opinion it's a fact.  This is clearly a right leaning bullshit article, the fact that he says "Obama's spending addiction" is hilarious.

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Re: The Barack Obama big spender myth
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2013, 10:19:55 AM »
Bless your heart.
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Tomy makes up your position and calls you a moron if you don't defend it. We went from data that Obama isn't a spend happy nutcase to the auto-industry and bank bailouts in a single breath. He is unhinged.

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Re: The Barack Obama big spender myth
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2013, 10:24:16 AM »

Again, incorrect, it is combining the tax cuts, wars etc from 2008 and attributing them to Obama. The original article is correct, this isn't a my opinion it's a fact.  This is clearly a right leaning bullshit article, the fact that he says "Obama's spending addiction" is hilarious.

They quoted Forbes.  What is your source? 

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Re: The Barack Obama big spender myth
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2013, 10:31:19 AM »
no matter what party wins in 2016, the debt is gonna keep right on spiraling. 

they'll all promise to cut it, but none will do so.  fact.

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Re: The Barack Obama big spender myth
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2013, 10:49:36 AM »
They quoted Forbes.  What is your source? 

So are you suggesting that they are not including Bush's wars and tax cuts?

The whole thing is out of context.

here is a more factual and non-partisan view. Your article attributes things to Obama that he had no say in. Which is where the skew comes in. Also, they fail to mention the great recession and it's impact on the national debt nor the deficit reduction that has occurred under him. It's not a fair view and is quote's that are cherry picked.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/9069/has-obama-spent-more-than-any-other-u-s-president-in-history-yes-and-no

as you can see the original article is correct.


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Re: The Barack Obama big spender myth
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2013, 11:49:01 AM »
So are you suggesting that they are not including Bush's wars and tax cuts?

The whole thing is out of context.

here is a more factual and non-partisan view. Your article attributes things to Obama that he had no say in. Which is where the skew comes in. Also, they fail to mention the great recession and it's impact on the national debt nor the deficit reduction that has occurred under him. It's not a fair view and is quote's that are cherry picked.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/9069/has-obama-spent-more-than-any-other-u-s-president-in-history-yes-and-no

as you can see the original article is correct.



If this is one of your admitted attempts at trolling, you need to do a much better job.  Here is a quote from your link:  "There is no denying that Obama has spent more than any other president in U.S. history. That is a fact, but that also holds true for every president since Herbert Hoover." 

So, your own source directly contradicts you:

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Jesus you are stupid, where did I say anything you are saying? Obama is not the biggest spender in history, it's a fact.


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Re: The Barack Obama big spender myth
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2013, 01:09:17 PM »
If this is one of your admitted attempts at trolling, you need to do a much better job.  Here is a quote from your link:  "There is no denying that Obama has spent more than any other president in U.S. history. That is a fact, but that also holds true for every president since Herbert Hoover." 

So, your own source directly contradicts you:
 

I think the portion of the quote that says, that is a fact, BUT that also holds true for every president since Herber Hoover. I will let you figure out why you are wrong.

however, "What is interesting, and honestly surprised me, is that President Obama has increased the amount of government spending by a lower percentage than any previous president since Hoover when adjusted for inflation"

Look at the graphs, Obama is no where near the spender you are claiming, if you attribute bush's tabs then yes he is.

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« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2013, 03:52:06 PM »
I think the portion of the quote that says, that is a fact, BUT that also holds true for every president since Herber Hoover. I will let you figure out why you are wrong.

however, "What is interesting, and honestly surprised me, is that President Obama has increased the amount of government spending by a lower percentage than any previous president since Hoover when adjusted for inflation"

Look at the graphs, Obama is no where near the spender you are claiming, if you attribute bush's tabs then yes he is.

LMAO at the quotes from "Breitbart".  Hell, if it's on breitbart.com it must be true.  How is old Andy doing these days?

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Re: The Barack Obama big spender myth
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2013, 03:59:39 PM »
LMAO at the quotes from "Breitbart".  Hell, if it's on breitbart.com it must be true.  How is old Andy doing these days?

You stay classy Abraham.   ::)

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« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2013, 04:09:47 PM »
You stay classy Abraham.   ::)

Thank you, Mr. Burgundy.

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Re: The Barack Obama big spender myth
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2013, 07:17:37 PM »
Wrong board WOOO. The board for delusions is down below.


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i'm just sharing the article... you americants know by now that i could care less about the mess that you call a country... we've got our own problems...

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Re: The Barack Obama big spender myth
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2013, 07:20:34 PM »

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i'm just sharing the article... you americants know by now that i could care less about the mess that you call a country... we've got our own problems...
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