Ted Cruz tells Trayvons' mother why Stand Your Ground laws are important

[tonymctones]

You're the one saying I should take your word for something combat sport related because you are a judo champion so that's why I suggested that you might want to back up a claim that any anonymous clown can easily make.  I'm not a gimmick but I do choose to remain anonymous (becaused I've discussed illegal behavior here) so I'll let my reasoning stand on its own. 

You are correct that there is a little matwork in judo (not zero after a guy is on his back as a result of groundwork, as I mistakenly stated) and, given the relative infrequency of "pinning" (as efforts to put and keep another on his back after both opponents are on the groundO(vs takedowns) it's possible that you've not witnessed facial injuries from that.  So I'm going to assume that the injuries (including ones to the face/head) that you have seen resulted from takedowns, amiright?  What I'd like to know now is whether you seriously think that Zimmerman jumped onto his back on his own (did he pull guard?), or do you think maybe he was taken down?  See where I'm going with this?  If you don't, I can supply all kinds of links of wrestlers suffering injuries in the absence of striking.

Look, I know you have douchey tendencies and all but, really, all I'm trying to point out is that it's POSSIBLE for a guy to sustain the kind of injuries he had from a grappling-only altercation.  Not that it's likely (or, as you put it, more consistent).  Just possible, that's all.  I'd also like to point out that, if the gun wasn't pulled until after Zimm was on his back underneath Trayvon, it was probably pulled when Trayvon was not punching.  Probably, but not definitely so.  Got it?

and again there have been multiple threads here on me and judo so go do a search gimmick. Nobody cares about your illegal activity here, you think the authorities are scouring the internet for drug users and drinkers?

Groundwork in judo is not infrequent it happens quite frequently actually, the reason it takes place less than standing fighting is b/c they start standing. Pinning is only a fraction of groundwork and just b/c someone isnt being "pinned" in judo terms, doesnt mean they arent in a similar situation physically. The majority of injuries in judo do take place standing or transitioning from standing to ground work, which is exactly why I say those injuries arent consistent with what your trying to say they are. No I dont think zimmerman flopped down on his back and trayvon just happend to jump on him. We know trayvon confronted zimmerman, its perfectly consistent that as a part of that confrontation trayvon started assualting zimmerman who fell to the ground and was mounted.

We arent here to talk about possibilities, we are talking about probability. Its possible that an alient spaceship came down and pulled trayvon off and zimmerman shot him....

what makes you think that if zimmerman pulled a gun it was when trayvon wasnt punching?

LMFAO I love all these insights on physical confrontations from ppl who have never been in a physical confrontation in their life

[Jack T. Cross]

LOL...any parent of multiple sons will tell you that banged heads and cracked noses can easily result from ground-fighting/pinning. It is a fact of life.

[Archer77]

All of what is being written here about what was happening between Martin and Zimmerman is pure speculation.  People fill in the gaps of what they dont know with what they want to believe.   

The Zim/Martin situation says nothing about the legal system nor does it indicate a trend of pseudo-whites butchering young black kids and getting away with it.  All crime statistics say other wise. This is a media conflated case being use to forward a political agenda. As long as blacks can perpetuated the mythology of victimization they can externalizers the problems in their communities and prey on white guilt to get what they want.

[tonymctones]

LOL...any parent of multiple sons will tell you that banged heads and cracked noses can easily result from ground-fighting/pinning. It is a fact of life.

you mean like puching and striking? yup broken noses and black eyes happen from those all the time....

did you forget about the black eye?

[tonymctones]

jack do you think zimmermans injuries are more consistent with someone just trying to pin them down or with someone punching and striking them?

[Jack T. Cross]

All of what is being written here about what was happening between Martin and Zimmerman is pure speculation.  People fill in the gaps of what they dont know with what they want to believe.   

The Zim/Martin situation says nothing about the legal system nor does it indicate a trend of pseudo-whites butchering young black kids and getting away with it.  All crime statistics say other wise. This is a media conflated case being use to forward a political agenda. As long as blacks can perpetuated the mythology of victimization they can externalizers the problems in their communities and prey on white guilt to get what they want.

Fortunately for Zimmerman, with an exception of the few seconds of passing testimony above, the language used in the trial suggested that Martin did in fact beat-in and bash Zimmerman's head, and it was done solely for the pure pleasure of kicking someone's ass in an attempt to possibly commit murder.

[Al Doggity]

its been the cause a few threads and idiots like yourself trying to call me out on it, so go ahead and do a search. I have posted pics and videos of myself on this board so for me to even have to validate the comments of a faceless gimmick such as yourself is beneath me.

Hey, has anyone else seen these pics/ video? Cuz I remember a few different threads calling Retardo out on being a judo champion. Some of those threads play into why I think he is such a liar and an idiot. If it turns out he actually did post vid, then I guess I will have to consider him less of a liar and an idiot and I might have to give him a little respect. But I actually did do a search and none of the threads I could find contained pics or vids. It seems like he just randomly started claiming he posted them one day.

[tonymctones]

Fortunately for Zimmerman, with an exception of the few seconds of passing testimony above, the language used in the trial suggested that Martin did in fact beat-in and bash Zimmerman's head, and it was done solely for the pure pleasure of kicking someone's ass in an attempt to possibly commit murder.

the reason the language in the trial suggested that is b/c THE FACTS SUGGESTED THAT!!!!

nobody said it was in an attempt to commit murder, even if trayvon thought zimmerman was following him he had no right to physically assault him.

You can simply beat the shit out of someone b/c you feel they may be following you.

[tonymctones]

Hey, has anyone else seen these pics/ video? Cuz I remember a few different threads calling Retardo out on being a judo champion. Some of those threads play into why I think he is such a liar and an idiot. If it turns out he actually did post vid, then I guess I will have to consider him less of a liar and an idiot and I might have to give him a little respect. But I actually did do a search and none of the threads I could find contained pics or vids. It seems like he just randomly started claiming he posted them one day.

LMFAO and my stalker makes an apperance, what a great day.

I never posted a video of me doing judo but I do have video and was willing to if True Adonis was willing to leave getbig forever but alas he did not agree to the deal.

There is plenty of video of me on getbig though, one of me benching 225 like 19 times for bench competition on the powerlifting board, a few of me squating 405 etc.

and plenty of pics of me on the training board.

I have also posted a pic of one of my gi's showing the patch I wore at one of the US opens I competed in. It actually has my name on it in Japanese the name of the Japanese olympian who gave it to me. I spent a few months training in Japan one summer with a few different japanese olympian and their college teams as well as some private clubs.

what I find funny is myself and others who have posted pics and videos get called out by nameless, faceless morons such as yourself and RRK. Post a pic of yourself before you start accusing me of being a liar you POS.

[Al Doggity]

LMFAO and my stalker makes an apperance, what a great day.

I never posted a video of me doing judo but I do have video and was willing to if True Adonis was willing to leave getbig forever but alas he did not agree to the deal.

There is plenty of video of me on getbig though, one of me benching 225 like 19 times for bench competition on the powerlifting board, a few of me squating 405 etc.

and plenty of pics of me on the training board.

I have also posted a pic of one of my gi's showing the patch I wore at one of the US opens I competed in. It actually has my name on it in Japanese the name of the Japanese olympian who gave it to me. I spent a few months training in Japan one summer with a few different japanese olympian and their college teams as well as some private clubs.

what I find funny is myself and others who have posted pics and videos get called out by nameless, faceless morons such as yourself and RRK. Post a pic of yourself before you start accusing me of being a liar you POS.

Retardo,  you implied that you were a national judo champion and that you had posted proof multiple times. And, of course, that turns out to not be true. I don't know if you've ever posted pics of yourself, but none of what you say you've posted is proof that you were a national judo champion. You being a dumb liar remains a fact. 

[Jack T. Cross]

jack do you think zimmermans injuries are more consistent with someone just trying to pin them down or with someone punching and striking them?

His injuries are consistent with either of these things, and the former is M-U-C-H more consistent with the presence of a gun. Even the simplest body language from Zimmerman could convey the existence of a gun, and that would remove ANY luxury Martin would have had to throw head shots or take ANY other maneuver but to attempt to preserve his life.

SO...what would it be like for two people in such a situation, each scared that the other will obtain control of the gun? They would each be trying to maintain control of their own hands, and they tried to gain control of the other person's hands. Would you disagree with anything so far?

[tonymctones]

His injuries are consistent with either of these things, and the former is M-U-C-H more consistent with the presence of a gun. Even the simplest body language from Zimmerman could convey the existence of a gun, and that would remove ANY luxury Martin would have had to throw head shots or ANY other maneuver but to attempt to preserve his life.

SO...what would it be like for two people in such a situation, each scared that the other will obtain control of the gun? They would each be trying to maintain control of their own hands, and they tried to gain control of the other person's hands. Would you disagree with anything so far?

I disagree that your scenario is completely consistent with the prescence of a gun, you have no proof other than opinion to back that up.

that being said you still have not addressed that trayvon had no right to start a physical confrontation with a man who he felt was following him.

[tonymctones]

Retardo,  you implied that you were a national judo champion and that you had posted proof multiple times. And, of course, that turns out to not be true. I don't know if you've ever posted pics of yourself, but none of what you say you've posted is proof that you were a national judo champion. You being a dumb liar remains a fact.  

hahaha believe what you want moron, I didnt imply I stated as a matter of fact that I twice national champion in judo.

I am not going to post my identity on here, just like you and your idiot bretheren wont even post a picture...deal with it

[Jack T. Cross]

I disagree that your scenario is completely consistent with the prescence of a gun, you have no proof other than opinion to back that up.

Please explain.

that being said you still have not addressed that trayvon had no right to start a physical confrontation with a man who he felt was following him.

I don't know whether this is true or false.

[tonymctones]

Please explain.

you have no evidence that a gun would provoke the reaction you say it does.

I don't know whether this is true or false.

YOU DONT KNOW IF ANY OF THE OTHER SHIT YOUR SPOUTING OFF IS TRUE OR FALSE!!!!

what the fuck???

[Al Doggity]

hahaha believe what you want moron, I didnt imply I stated as a matter of fact that I twice national champion in judo.

I am not going to post my identity on here, just like you and your idiot bretheren wont even post a picture...deal with it

You stated that you were a national judo champion and implied that you had posted proof. 

I don't care if you post a pic or post info about your identity. However, I will point out when you lie about having done so. It's just one more entry on the long list of lies you've already told. Not sure why you feel the need to create such a fanciful internet personae.

[Jack T. Cross]

you have no evidence that a gun would provoke the reaction you say it does.
YOU DONT KNOW IF ANY OF THE OTHER SHIT YOUR SPOUTING OFF IS TRUE OR FALSE!!!!

what the fuck???

It's a very simple question:

SO...what would it be like for two people in such a situation, each scared that the other will obtain control of the gun? They would each be trying to maintain control of their own hands, and they tried to gain control of the other person's hands. Would you disagree with anything so far?

If two people are in the presence of a gun, and each is scared the other will obtain control of a gun, would they use their bodies in such a way that is detailed above?

Don't even apply it to this case. Just answer the question or STFU.

[tonymctones]

You stated that you were a national judo champion and implied that you had posted proof.  

I don't care if you post a pic or post info about your identity. However, I will point out when you lie about having done so. It's just one more entry on the long list of lies you've already told. Not sure why you feel the need to create such a fanciful internet personae.

hahaha ok albert, did you find the pic of my gi?

did you get the name of the person who gave it to me? or even my name as it is on it?

did you see the tournament that the patch showing what country I represented "USA" obviously?

not that it matters as Ive already said I have no drive to prove myself to some no name, faceless trolls on the interweb

[tonymctones]

It's a very simple question:

If two people are in the presence of a gun, and each is scared the other will obtain control of a gun, would they use their bodies in such a way that is detailed above?

Don't even apply it to this case. Just answer the question or STFU.

first you assume that if two ppl are in the presence of a gun and scared an altercation will ensue. Where do you get this from?

do you assume they were already fighting before the presence of the gun came to be known?

[Al Doggity]

hahaha ok albert, did you find the pic of my gi?

did you get the name of the person who gave it to me? or even my name as it is on it?

did you see the tournament that the patch showing what country I represented "USA" obviously?

not that it matters as Ive already said I have no drive to prove myself to some no name, faceless trolls on the interweb

Well, you obviously do, it's just not working. Didn't bother searching through your post history, just knew the judo claim was bullshit. Don't know what you think that other shit is supposed to prove. 

[tonymctones]

Well, you obviously do, it's just not working. Didn't bother searching through your post history, just knew the judo claim was bullshit. Don't know what you think that other shit is supposed to prove. 

hahaha ok albert, I was telling the truth about competing in judo, telling the truth about competing at a international level, telling the truth about training with japanese olympians and their colleges/private clubs but I lied about national championships

whatever makes you feel good broseph.

[Jack T. Cross]

first you assume that if two ppl are in the presence of a gun and scared of one another, and especially so because of the gun, an altercation will very possibly ensue.

Fixed. Common sense says that the risk for an altercation would be extreme.

do you assume they were already fighting before the presence of the gun came to be known?

We can't know that, right?

[tonymctones]

Fixed. Common sense says that the risk for an altercation would be extreme.

We can't know that, right?

LMFAO "common sense"?

thats youre evidence?

actually common sense says that if an altercation had not already ensued the presence of a gun would make an altercation less likely to take place.

How many times does the clerk being robbed start wrestling with the gun wielding robber? its much more likely the clerk does what the gunman says...

where do you get this bull shit?

[Jack T. Cross]

LMFAO "common sense"?

thats youre evidence?

actually common sense says that if an altercation had not already ensued the presence of a gun would make an altercation less likely to take place.

How many times does the clerk being robbed start wrestling with the gun wielding robber? its much more likely the clerk does what the gunman says...

where do you get this bull shit?

It seems a robber would likely have a clerk at some form of gunpoint, Tony. Would you disagree?

[tonymctones]

It seems a robber would likely have a clerk at some form of gunpoint, Tony. Would you disagree?

no necissarily but yes I agree for the most part they would.

doesnt matter the presence of a gun before an altercation ensues would make it less likely that trayvon would want to wrestle with zimmerman.

what I find absolutely hillarious is you refuse to comment on something saying "I don't know whether this is true or false."

then cite common sense as your proof of the validity of your claims...

for fucks sake man, only on getbig is the stupidity this fucking thick