what about 'pseudoephedrine'?

[The Showstoppa]

They need to stay with golf.

Yes!

[OTHstrong]

well what kicks ass is probably only the caffeine lol...

indeed^^^

[galeniko]

Ephedrine burns fat, huh?  1990's urban legends die hard.  Training combined with cardio and proper diet is what burns fat, not ephedrine. 

If it's not abused, E is a great stimulant... it gets you amped for cardio sessions, it increases mental focus, it can increase your lifts by 5-10%, but it does not "burn" fat. 

E is also very nasty shit if you abuse it.  I know many people who have been down that road... high BP, anxiety, psychosis, muscle cramps/tears, neuropathy, joint pain, impotence, adrenal burn out, dependence, etc...

uhm,yes it does burn fat very by its own.

by raising body temperature directly, this increases metabolsim rate by some 5%, thats very nice.

and indirectly by killing off hunger(helps proper diet) and give more energy(better trainings).

it does many things at once.

not sure about 5lbs in a month, bc it helps in more than one way, but if we go by 5% increase in metablism alone, thats roughly 2lbs of fat a month burned just by the thermogenic effect alone.
with these 2lbs fat,some water will be shed out.

now you add the apetite supressant effect to it, and boom, quite a difference.

ofc many morons think efedrine will do all by itself and just eat normaly, well those will be disapointed.or the ones who just stil overeat.thats not gonna work.

pseudeefedrine though doesnt do shit for neither energy nor fatloss.

not even apetite supressing.

[Wolfox]

Meth heads know best.

[OTHstrong]

uhm,yes it does burn fat very by its own.

by raising body temperature directly, this increases metabolsim rate by some 5%, thats very nice.

and indirectly by killing off hunger(helps proper diet) and give more energy(better trainings).

it does many things at once.

not sure about 5lbs in a month, bc it helps in more than one way, but if we go by 5% increase in metablism alone, thats roughly 2lbs of fat a month burned just by the thermogenic effect alone.
with these 2lbs fat,some water will be shed out.

now you add the apetite supressant effect to it, and boom, quite a difference.

ofc many morons think efedrine will do all by itself and just eat normaly, well those will be disapointed.or the ones who just stil overeat.thats not gonna work.

pseudeefedrine though doesnt do shit for neither energy nor fatloss.

not even apetite supressing.

excellent post, as usually by gal in relation to burning fat  

[Wolfox]

uhm,yes it does burn fat very by its own.

by raising body temperature directly, this increases metabolsim rate by some 5%, thats very nice.

and indirectly by killing off hunger(helps proper diet) and give more energy(better trainings).

it does many things at once.

not sure about 5lbs in a month, bc it helps in more than one way, but if we go by 5% increase in metablism alone, thats roughly 2lbs of fat a month burned just by the thermogenic effect alone.
with these 2lbs fat,some water will be shed out.
.

Based on what daily caloric intake for 2lbs a month? Because even with 3000 calories a day 5% is only 150cals daily, 1050 weekly, 4200 monthly. That's not 2lbs. That's barely over 1 lb.

The best thing about ephedrine is its appetite suppressant qualities and energy it gives you in the gym and while doing cardio.  That's where most of its magic is when it comes to fat loss.

[bigdumbbell]

Hello fellas,
Im in a 'transitional' phase in my life right now... On and off the boards for quite a long time. I still check the boards from time to time though.
Back to my question now. Does pseudoephedrine hcl acts like ephedrine? Weaker?

interesting. are you transitioning genders?

[Wolfox]

2lbs a month. Haha Maybe if he eats a couple of go4it size breakfasts every day while 'dieting'. Lol

[Mobil]

i miss the old ripped fuel from twin labs... i used to use it to pull all nighters for exams in college

[Wolfox]

Based on what daily caloric intake for 2lbs a month? Because even with 3000 calories a day 5% is only 150cals daily, 1050 weekly, 4200 monthly. That's not 2lbs. That's barely over 1 lb.

The best thing about ephedrine is its appetite suppressant qualities and energy it gives you in the gym and while doing cardio.  That's where most of its magic is when it comes to fat loss.

Quoted for gals exposure...again.

[OTHstrong]

Based on what daily caloric intake for 2lbs a month? Because even with 3000 calories a day 5% is only 150cals daily, 1050 weekly, 4200 monthly. That's not 2lbs. That's barely over 1 lb.

The best thing about ephedrine is its appetite suppressant qualities and energy it gives you in the gym and while doing cardio.  That's where most of its magic is when it comes to fat loss.

you are splitting hairs, semantics, really? a little childish no?

[Wolfox]

you are splitting hairs, semantics, really? a little childish no?

Nope. There's a significant difference percentage wise between what he said and reality. Im just exposing him. Fraudsters like gal like to throw out bullshit numbers like that. Why? Because they aren't scientific minded to think they will have to back up every number they say...instead they rely on parrotry of accomplished people. But the numbers are harder to remember and that's when they get exposed.

On numerous occasions I've seen gal take Lyle mcdonalds stuff and try to pass it off as his own. I see this over and over again. I mean, it ok to parrot someone else, but give credit and don't try to act like a guru when you're not.

[galeniko]

sorry ,1lbs a month, little calculation error

which is still very good.

but it showcases how much more the dieting itself is either way.

500cals deficit a day will lead to 4lbs fatloss monthly.if you think about that, the body is quite lenient and generous on fatloss#(its also absolute merciless in fatgain when glycogen stores are full and you keep eating,though).
 
however to be in permannent daily cal deficit of 500cals will be quite little food and permanently unsatisfying.

and at the lower bodyfats, the leptine and brain issues kick in,the body hates going into very lean state.everyone has a barrier, somewhere at 6% where it literally rebels if you keep dieting, once past that barrier, its like a trance, and once you go too low, you can get seriously sick

im sure many have experienced this.

[WOOO]

sorry ,1lbs a month, little calculation error

which is still very good.

but it showcases how much more the dieting itself is either way.

500cals deficit a day will lead to 4lbs fatloss monthly.if you think about that, the body is quite lenient and generous on fatloss#(its also absolute merciless in fatgain when glycogen stores are full and you keep eating,though).
 
however to be in permannent daily cal deficit of 500cals will be quite little food and permanently unsatisfying.

and at the lower bodyfats, the leptine and brain issues kick in,the body hates going into very lean state.everyone has a barrier, somewhere at 6% where it literally rebels if you keep dieting, once past that barrier, its like a trance, and once you go too low, you can get seriously sick

im sure many have experienced this.

 

[Mr Nobody]

Damn I cant wait until shitsoul gets back.

[OTHstrong]

Nope. There's a significant difference percentage wise between what he said and reality. Im just exposing him. Fraudsters like gal like to throw out bullshit numbers like that. Why? Because they aren't scientific minded to think they will have to back up every number they say...instead they rely on parrotry of accomplished people. But the numbers are harder to remember and that's when they get exposed.

On numerous occasions I've seen gal take Lyle mcdonalds stuff and try to pass it off as his own. I see this over and over again. I mean, it ok to parrot someone else, but give credit and don't try to act like a guru when you're not.

you are weird lol 

[Wolfox]

you are weird lol  

Yes, I'm weird for pointing out that someone's bullshit doesn't add up and for using math to show you it doesn't.

I think you're weird for thinking the truth is weird.

[OTHstrong]

Yes, I'm weird for pointing out that someone's bullshit doesn't add up and for using math to show you it doesn't.

I think your weird for thinking the truth is weird.

bro gal is shredded year round and has been fat before, how much more credentials would you want the man to have when it comes to talking about anything ``fat loss related``

[Wolfox]

bro gal is shredded year round and has been fat before, how much more credentials would you want the man to have when it comes to talking about anything ``fat loss related``

Bro I don't care how shredded gal is. If he's wrong like he is here in this thread I will continue to point it out and if he continues to parrot the works of others I will continue to point it out.

If you have a problem with the truth then that's on you.

[OTHstrong]

Bro I don't care how shredded gal is. If he's wrong like he is here in this thread I will continue to point it out and if he continues to parrot the works of others I will continue to point it out.

If you have a problem with the truth then that's on you.

knock yourself out

[ProudVirgin69]

knock yourself out

Thank goodness we have "Wolfox", patron saint of the truth, to ensure that no half-truths are perpetuated.

Here i was, thinking ephedrine would be responsible for two pounds of fat loss when in reality it is just a little over ONE pound.  This is life changing.  Galeniko's reign of terror and hyperbole is finally over

[OTHstrong]

Thank goodness we have "Wolfox", patron saint of the truth, to ensure that no half-truths are perpetuated.

Here i was, thinking ephedrine would be responsible for two pounds of fat loss when in reality it is just a little over ONE pound.  This is life changing.  Galeniko's reign of terror and hyperbole is finally over

[Wolfox]

Thank goodness we have "Wolfox", patron saint of the truth, to ensure that no half-truths are perpetuated.

Here i was, thinking ephedrine would be responsible for two pounds of fat loss when in reality it is just a little over ONE pound.  This is life changing.  Galeniko's reign of terror and hyperbole is finally over

That difference of 1lb can add up. The difference could be shredded glutes bro.   Still, wrong is wrong. Bullshit numbers thrown around the forum without math backing them up are still bullshit numbers. I don't play that and neither should you.

With that said, from what i've seen Galeniko generally parrots good dieting advice. But if you guys want a better understanding of things you should really seek out his main source: Lyle McDonald.

Lyle's ebooks are available online. PM me if you have any trouble finding them.

[ProudVirgin69]

That difference of 1lb can add up. The difference could be shredded glutes bro.   Still, wrong is wrong. Bullshit numbers thrown around the forum without math backing them up are still bullshit numbers. I don't play that and neither should you.

I will say this, from what i've seen Galeniko generally parrots good dieting advice. But if you guys want a better understanding of things you should really seek out his main source: Lyle McDonald.

Lyle's ebooks are available online. PM me if you have any trouble finding them.

I've read a lot of Lyle's stuff, and i do see the similarity.  Is Lyle more scientific & well-read in this arena?  Absolutely.  But galeniko walks the walk everyday, and Lyle doesn't.  Most importantly,  galeniko motivated me to get off my ass and do it.

I know you two have a little "thing", but i think you're quibbling over trivialities here.  .5lbs, 1lb, 2lbs--who cares?  The point is, it helps a little.  Certainly not enough to make up for lack of exercise/diet.

Wolfox, I think you're a good dude.  But I feel that following gal and waiting for him to slip up is a waste of your time.  Just my opinion, I'm not taking any sides

[Big Chiro Flex]

A lot of bro's missing the main point of ephedrine: to increase the release of fatty acids into the blood stream (to be burnt for energy" AKA to burn fat. It's a very well known mechanism. All of the psychological benefits are just an added bonus.

Team Ephedrine + Caffeine