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Re: Elizabeth Warren Could Threaten Hillary from Left in 2016
« Reply #75 on: December 16, 2014, 01:46:34 PM »
lol.  I'll wait and see who comes out of the primary.  I hope it's not either one of them. 

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Re: Elizabeth Warren Could Threaten Hillary from Left in 2016
« Reply #76 on: December 16, 2014, 02:34:41 PM »
Yeah.  Ok.  Whatever. 

I see your point.  Subtle but definitely well-thought out. 

Are we already at the point where you deny Bush (who I think would be a solid president, leadershipwise, despite his crap positions...  Are we already at the point where you tell the class Jeb Isn't a RINO?   LOL

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Re: Elizabeth Warren Could Threaten Hillary from Left in 2016
« Reply #77 on: December 16, 2014, 03:32:52 PM »
I see your point.  Subtle but definitely well-thought out.  

Are we already at the point where you deny Bush (who I think would be a solid president, leadershipwise, despite his crap positions...  Are we already at the point where you tell the class Jeb Isn't a RINO?   LOL

We are at the point where me (the teacher) keeps you (the dunce) sitting in the corner of the classroom.  :)


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Re: Elizabeth Warren Could Threaten Hillary from Left in 2016
« Reply #78 on: December 16, 2014, 04:07:27 PM »
We are at the point where me (the teacher) keeps you (the dunce) sitting in the corner of the classroom.  :)

are you really a grown man?   LOL


you refuse to call Bush a RINO.   That's beyond silly, dude.   Well, I think you're the only person on getbig that won't admit Jeb Bush is a RINO.

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Re: Elizabeth Warren Could Threaten Hillary from Left in 2016
« Reply #79 on: December 16, 2014, 04:11:33 PM »
are you really a grown man?   LOL


you refuse to call Bush a RINO.   That's beyond silly, dude.   Well, I think you're the only person on getbig that won't admit Jeb Bush is a RINO.

Nah.  I'm an overgrown kid.  Loving life.   :)

You don't know what a "RINO" is.  You don't care about RINOs.  You're not a Republican.  Do I need to quote you? 

I don't what Jeb Bush is.  I haven't followed his career.  I'll evaluate his candidacy if he decides to run and will make a decision on whether to vote for him if he is the nominee. 

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Re: Elizabeth Warren Could Threaten Hillary from Left in 2016
« Reply #80 on: December 16, 2014, 04:37:47 PM »
What is the point between hillary and Jeb?    Not a ounce of difference between the two.  None. 

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Re: Elizabeth Warren Could Threaten Hillary from Left in 2016
« Reply #81 on: December 16, 2014, 05:04:44 PM »
What is the point between hillary and Jeb?    Not a ounce of difference between the two.  None. 

On paper, there are some big differences.  He has a pretty diverse private sector background.  Two terms as governor.  Cut taxes as governor. 

I think governors are better qualified to be president than senators.   

I would say her time as secretary of state is a big difference, but she pretty much sucked at that job. 

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Re: Elizabeth Warren Could Threaten Hillary from Left in 2016
« Reply #82 on: December 16, 2014, 05:15:02 PM »
I hope Democrats aren't dumb to nominate this woman, but that is the same party that legitimized Al Shaprton, so anything can happen. 

Elizabeth Warren Could Threaten Hillary from Left in 2016


Sunday, 10 Nov 2013
By Greg Richter

It isn't Republicans such as New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie or Texas Sen. Ted Cruz that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton should fear if she chooses to run for president in 2016, writes Noam Scheiber of The New Republic.

Instead, she should keep a wary eye on fellow Democrat Elizabeth Warren.

Warren, currently serving as U.S. Senator from Massachusetts, represents the more socialist wing of the party, which is growing in popularity among Democrats under 30, Scheiber writes, citing a recent Pew poll.

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Clinton represents the "Democratic elites" associated with her husband's presidency, who moved left in support of the economic stimulus and larger unemployment benefits of President Barack Obama, though they still think the economy needs a "large, powerful, highly complex financial sector."

But socialists have held the upper hand recently, Scheiber says. He cites New York City Public Advocate and former Sandinista activist Bill de Blasio's capturing of the New York City mayor's race, Larry Summers' forced withdrawal from consideration as chairman of the Fed, and former Obama chief of staff and JP Morgan executive Bill Daley's dropping out of the Illinois governor's race over bad polls.

These are bad omens for Clinton, Scheiber argues.

He describes Clinton's likely Democratic challenger as someone from the socialist wing of the party who likely would be a woman, since Democrats would want to follow up the historic election of the nation's first black president with another historic first. She would also need to be able to raise vast sums of money.

"As it happens, there is precisely such a person," Scheiber says. "Her name is Elizabeth Warren."

But Warren also strikes fear into the hearts of her fellow Democrats, he says. Clinton is a team player, and is therefore predictable. For that matter, Cruz, on the Republican side is also predictable as he bucks his party's leadership. With Warren, they never know what they'll get.

She entered the Senate seeming to defer to party leaders, but at her very first hearing as a member of the Senate Banking Committee, she pounced on bank regulators, saying, “Tell me a little bit about the last few times you’ve taken the biggest financial institutions on Wall Street all the way to a trial."

"The question, though eminently reasonable, violated an unstated rule of committee protocol, in which members of Congress are allowed to rant and rave at length but generally abstain from humiliating appointees, especially from their own party," Scheiber writes.

Schieber notes that most presidential race watchers don't expect Warren to run, as it would most likely be a suicide mission. But her past has shown that, like Cruz, she cares less about her own political ambition than she does about her mission. In her case, she wants to advance her economic agenda for what she believes will ease the burden on the middle class.

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Brilliant comparison between Elizabeth Warren and Al Sharpton.  You've outdone yourself this time.  You are dangerously close to treading into Soulcrusher waters.

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Re: Elizabeth Warren Could Threaten Hillary from Left in 2016
« Reply #83 on: December 16, 2014, 05:18:19 PM »
Brilliant comparison between Elizabeth Warren and Al Sharpton.  You've outdone yourself this time.  You are dangerously close to treading into Soulcrusher waters.

Thank you. 

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Re: Elizabeth Warren Could Threaten Hillary from Left in 2016
« Reply #84 on: December 16, 2014, 06:04:47 PM »
I don't what Jeb Bush is.  I haven't followed his career.  I'll evaluate his candidacy if he decides to run and will make a decision on whether to vote for him if he is the nominee. 

Do you watch the news?   Have you not noticed Jeb taking some seriously liberal positions on issues?

Jeb supports bank bailouts.   Jeb loves Common Core.  Won't commit on global warming.   Anti-drilling.  Wants to use federal funds for "fatherhood initiatives".    Loves NAFTA/CAFTA.   Won't reverse obamacare, would rather let it "fail on its own".  Former neoconsevative that now shits all over them.   Immigration is 'not a felony' but 'an act of love'.   Compromise on taxes ok, refuses to agree to pledge not to raise taxes.   Opposed vietnam but supports both Afghanistan and Iraq wars.

Lots of liberal positions there - read about them yourself.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Jeb_Bush.htm

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Re: Elizabeth Warren Could Threaten Hillary from Left in 2016
« Reply #85 on: December 16, 2014, 06:13:58 PM »
Do you watch the news?   Have you not noticed Jeb taking some seriously liberal positions on issues?

Jeb supports bank bailouts.   Jeb loves Common Core.  Won't commit on global warming.   Anti-drilling.  Wants to use federal funds for "fatherhood initiatives".    Loves NAFTA/CAFTA.   Won't reverse obamacare, would rather let it "fail on its own".  Former neoconsevative that now shits all over them.   Immigration is 'not a felony' but 'an act of love'.   Compromise on taxes ok, refuses to agree to pledge not to raise taxes.   Opposed vietnam but supports both Afghanistan and Iraq wars.

Lots of liberal positions there - read about them yourself.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Jeb_Bush.htm

Unlike you, I watch and read the news and don't get my information from Democratic Underground, the Daily Kos, and whatever wacky conspiracy theory website you read these days.

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Re: Elizabeth Warren Could Threaten Hillary from Left in 2016
« Reply #86 on: December 16, 2014, 06:27:02 PM »
Unlike you, I watch and read the news and don't get my information from Democratic Underground, the Daily Kos, and whatever wacky conspiracy theory website you read these days.

LOL!   I just showed jeb bush to be a liberal.  And you insult me.

Yep, no sense wasting another 2 years arguing with you, dude.  You will support another shit-ass RINO, and libs will win the White house again. history all over again...  until repub voters ADMIT when a dude is a RINO, well...


Unless you are a rino... which, well, you pretty much are lol...   then maybe you love Jeb and he's just like you, a conservative that has a lot of lib positions, which I can respect.

Either way, support who you want, but don't deny the truth that Jeb isn't a conservative, sorry, but he's not.

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Re: Elizabeth Warren Could Threaten Hillary from Left in 2016
« Reply #87 on: December 16, 2014, 07:03:36 PM »
LOL!   I just showed jeb bush to be a liberal.  And you insult me.

Yep, no sense wasting another 2 years arguing with you, dude.  You will support another shit-ass RINO, and libs will win the White house again. history all over again...  until repub voters ADMIT when a dude is a RINO, well...


Unless you are a rino... which, well, you pretty much are lol...   then maybe you love Jeb and he's just like you, a conservative that has a lot of lib positions, which I can respect.

Either way, support who you want, but don't deny the truth that Jeb isn't a conservative, sorry, but he's not.

You didn't show squat. 

Listen you lying liar (yes that's an insult, but it's true), to be a "RINO," which means "Republican in name only," you first have to call yourself a Republican.  Given that you have had a little boy crush on me since I first started posting here years ago and have likely read every single one of my posts, you know I have never once called myself a Republican.  But anyone posting here regularly knows you are a pathological liar. 

Now, someone who calls themselves a Republican, as you have, then votes for Obama, kneepads for Obama, supports higher taxes, etc. is a classic "Republican in name only."  That would be you.

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Re: Elizabeth Warren Could Threaten Hillary from Left in 2016
« Reply #88 on: December 16, 2014, 07:34:04 PM »
You didn't show squat. 

Listen you lying liar (yes that's an insult, but it's true), to be a "RINO," which means "Republican in name only," you first have to call yourself a Republican.  Given that you have had a little boy crush on me since I first started posting here years ago and have likely read every single one of my posts, you know I have never once called myself a Republican.  But anyone posting here regularly knows you are a pathological liar. 

Now, someone who calls themselves a Republican, as you have, then votes for Obama, kneepads for Obama, supports higher taxes, etc. is a classic "Republican in name only."  That would be you.

See, you're attacking me again.  In the past, I would have dived right into it, but today, I won't.

Today I'm asking you if Jeb is a Rino.
Today I'm asking you if Jeb has a lot of liberal positions.

We all see it, bro.  You want to resort to "but but but you you you".
I just want to talk about the 2016 potentials.  You want to talk shit and call names, etc.

Just tell us, is Jeb a RINO?  Yes or no?   DO it without resorting to personal attacks, please.

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Re: Elizabeth Warren Could Threaten Hillary from Left in 2016
« Reply #89 on: December 17, 2014, 09:55:15 AM »
See, you're attacking me again.  In the past, I would have dived right into it, but today, I won't.

Today I'm asking you if Jeb is a Rino.
Today I'm asking you if Jeb has a lot of liberal positions.

We all see it, bro.  You want to resort to "but but but you you you".
I just want to talk about the 2016 potentials.  You want to talk shit and call names, etc.

Just tell us, is Jeb a RINO?  Yes or no?   DO it without resorting to personal attacks, please.

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You didn't show squat. 

Listen you lying liar (yes that's an insult, but it's true), to be a "RINO," which means "Republican in name only," you first have to call yourself a Republican.  Given that you have had a little boy crush on me since I first started posting here years ago and have likely read every single one of my posts, you know I have never once called myself a Republican.  But anyone posting here regularly knows you are a pathological liar. 

Now, someone who calls themselves a Republican, as you have, then votes for Obama, kneepads for Obama, supports higher taxes, etc. is a classic "Republican in name only."  That would be you.

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Re: Elizabeth Warren Could Threaten Hillary from Left in 2016
« Reply #90 on: December 17, 2014, 09:56:40 AM »
Krauthammer makes a good point about Warren, but I'd rather see Democrats put up a much better, more qualified candidate. 


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Re: Elizabeth Warren Could Threaten Hillary from Left in 2016
« Reply #91 on: January 12, 2015, 10:50:56 AM »
Why Sen. Elizabeth Warren intrigues 2016 voters
ByJOHN DICKERSONCBS NEWS
January 10, 2015

When 12 voters gathered in Aurora, Colorado, for a political focus group on Thursday night, it wasn't surprising to hear them compete to see who could bash politicians more. "If we got rid of every member of Congress and elected new people tomorrow who had no experience, I don't think we could do any worse," said Charlie Loan, who voted for Mitt Romney in 2012. When the group was asked to come up with phrases members of Congress should wear on wrist bracelets, they suggested "Don't trust me, I lie," "Looking out for me," and "Two Faced."

But one politician escaped the voters' ire: Elizabeth Warren. Six of the 12 said they would like to have Warren over to their house to talk, more than any other possible 2016 presidential contender they were asked about. They said she was "down to earth" and "knowledgeable." When asked a separate question about which politician they would like to have live next door, they picked Warren over every other contender as well. Jenny Howard, an accountant with student-loan debt who voted for Romney in 2012 and Sen. John McCain in 2008, also liked Warren: "If she ran, she could be the next president because she is personable and knowledgeable and has a good handle on what's going on in the country."

Peter Hart organized this Colorado focus group. Hart, a Democratic pollster for more than 40 years, helps conduct the Wall Street Journal/ NBC poll and has been holding these kinds of sessions for the past four presidential elections. The focus group was the first of a series of such two-hour interviews of swing voters that Hart will do leading up to the 2016 presidential election, for the Annenberg Public Policy Center to track how voter sentiment changes.

These people do not represent metaphysical certitude about the country's political opinion--it's only 12 people after all--and we are still far from the next election so much can change, but they offer glimpses of the current stirring in the public. Their desire for change, concerns about the economy (despite news that things are better), and interest in a candidate who cares about the middle class have appeared consistently in polls and other voter forums.

The affection for Warren among the group of five self-described independents, three Republicans, and four Democrats may not tell us anything about the Massachusetts senator herself. It's possible that she is a vehicle through which they are signaling their desire for change, for something authentic and maybe new. Charlie Loan, an IT manager, says he voted the straight conservative line most recent election but he'd listen to what Warren had to say. "The little I have seen and heard from her, she seems genuine--people from [Oklahoma] usually are. Since she was formerly devoted to the Republican Party, maybe she fits in the middle somewhere, which is where I would like to see most of them be. She is clearly well-educated and seems level-headed."

If Warren is a possible vessel for change, so too is Sen. Rand Paul, who several of the conservatives found intriguing. (Sen. Ted Cruz wasn't mentioned, even though he, like Paul and Warren, is also trying to position himself as an outsider on the inside.) Paul had a bit of the crossover appeal that Warren had. "He's a reasonable choice," said Andrew Regan, who described himself as a strong Democrat. "I would consider him, but I don't know who the Democratic nominee is going to be." Regan was emblematic of the strong desire for something new. Despite his ideological affiliations, he was happy to see Republicans in control of Congress. "I'm happy to see that Republicans took Congress. Instead of a 'Do Nothing' congress we have a 'Do Something' Congress."

Once a Democratic nominee is chosen, it's almost certain that Regan, a self-employed beekeeper, will vote as he always has. That's what voters usually do. The same is true with conservatives who express an openness for Warren. But Warren's authenticity, anti-corporate message, and outsider status all reflect the desire for change that came across so clearly from most of the participants.

The 2016 contenders who didn't fare well are also two of its marquee names: Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush. Six of the 12 said they would back a law to bar all Bushes and Clintons from running. "He's running off the Bush name and thinks that's something," said Howard. In a free-association exercise, the words people used to describe Bush included: "joke," "no thank you," "clown," "interesting," "don't need him," "intriguing," "greedy," and "bad scene." (By contrast, Paul was described as "entertaining," "interesting," "very intriguing," "honest," and "freedom.") Mention of Hillary Clinton conjured "hopeful," "crazy," "strong," "spitfire," "don't like her," "untrustworthy," "more of the same," and "next candidate, please." Although the antipathy toward Bush and Clinton was often specific, it also could be read as a broad dislike of American politics today.

Not surprisingly, the economy was the issue everyone was most concerned about. Jobs numbers were solid again on Friday and the unemployment rate is at 5.6 percent (lower than Mitt Romney said it would be under his administration by the year 2017), but the good numbers didn't do anything to assuage the participants' worries. Though they said lower gas prices have helped, most were skeptical things were genuinely getting better.

"It's nice to have the extra money," said Susan Brink, a 56-year-old independent who voted for Barack Obama. "But I do kind of feel like they give us a little bit to make us happy, and then they take it away." Rick Lamutt, a right-leaning independent who works as "a cable guy," said that despite the good numbers, he sees the truth of the real economy in all the houses he visits where family members are moving in together and struggling to make do. "The simple fact is, regardless of what the numbers say, there's a lot of hurting people out there," he said. "You've seen on the news, 'Everything's fine, the economy's great, there's jobs everywhere!' Well, if you want to make $9 an hour, you can go get a job, but if you want to make a wage that can support your family, good luck."

This pervasive feeling of economic insecurity drove what these voters are looking for in candidates, too. Kimberly Tyler, a 61-year-old veterinarian, wanted a candidate who understood the pinch of the middle-class lifestyle. "Most in politics have money and it's a money game for them and they don't relate to the middle class, and everyone in the middle class is hanging on by their fingernails."

There's a long road before the election and while these views give us some idea of the mood, it's important to keep in mind that even these voters are a long way off from drawing any real conclusions about specific candidates. Hart asked everyone to place themselves at a racetrack that showed how far along they were in their thinking about the next presidential contest. Most said they were in the parking lot. One woman said she was in her car taking allergy medicine--she said she was allergic to both horses and politicians. When asked whom she'd like to see in the race, she replied, "Superman." But he hasn't even formed a leadership PAC yet.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-sen-elizabeth-warren-intrigues-2016-voters/

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Re: Elizabeth Warren Could Threaten Hillary from Left in 2016
« Reply #92 on: January 13, 2015, 07:56:58 AM »
Elizabeth Warren: I'm not running for president
by  Sheila Bair 
JANUARY 13, 2015

. . .

So are you going to run for President?

No.

What does the Democratic nominee need to do to win in 2016?

They need to speak to America’s families about the economic crisis in this country. It starts with the recognition that Washington works for the rich and powerful and not for America’s families. From there, it has to go into what changes we need to make, and that gets back to education, infrastructure, and research.

Do you think anyone on the Republican side will sound that theme as well?

I think they might. But for both sides, the proof will be in the pudding. Who is willing to stand up for Wall Street accountability? Who is willing to take on the powerful by closing tax loopholes so that we have the money to invest in education, infrastructure, and research. Who’s willing to make the hard choices? The candidates need to say something concrete. This can’t be a silent game, with a lot of nice platitudes. There needs to be something real.

Obama’s core constituency has lost ground during his Administration. That’s not all on him. This has been a longstanding trend. But things have gotten worse.

The middle class has been under assault for 35 years — the combination of stagnant wages and rising core expenses have squeezed families beyond endurance.

But he hasn’t been able to reverse that trend. What advice do you have for him for his last two years?

Get out and fight for America’s families and be clear what you are fighting for. Don’t just say it once. Give one speech, and then another, and then another. Talk to the Democrats on the Hill to propose the legislation that you want and invite the Republicans in. And ask if there is a way to do it together. But get out there and fight for our families, they need it.

http://fortune.com/2015/01/13/elizabeth-warren-sheila-bair/

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Re: Elizabeth Warren Could Threaten Hillary from Left in 2016
« Reply #93 on: January 13, 2015, 08:05:44 AM »
She is not running.  Move on.  Bah!

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Re: Elizabeth Warren Could Threaten Hillary from Left in 2016
« Reply #94 on: January 16, 2015, 12:03:48 AM »
Krauthammer makes a good point about Warren, but I'd rather see Democrats put up a much better, more qualified candidate. 



Heard this guy has some mad diving skills.

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Re: Elizabeth Warren Could Threaten Hillary from Left in 2016
« Reply #95 on: January 16, 2015, 09:32:32 AM »
Heard this guy has some mad diving skills.

Yes, he has been confined to a wheelchair since his diving accident in 1971.  Typical classless comment from a liberal.  Not surprised.

In 1970, he graduated from McGill University with First Class Honors in political science and economics.[5] The following year, he was a Commonwealth Scholar in politics at Balliol College, Oxford, before returning to the United States and entering Harvard Medical School. During Krauthammer's first year of medical school, he was paralyzed in a diving-board accident[2][6] and was hospitalized for 14 months. He has been confined to a wheelchair ever since the accident. He continued his medical studies at Harvard, however, and graduated with his class, earning his M.D. in 1975.

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« Reply #96 on: January 16, 2015, 05:31:06 PM »
Yes, he has been confined to a wheelchair since his diving accident in 1971.  Typical classless comment from a liberal.  Not surprised.

In 1970, he graduated from McGill University with First Class Honors in political science and economics.[5] The following year, he was a Commonwealth Scholar in politics at Balliol College, Oxford, before returning to the United States and entering Harvard Medical School. During Krauthammer's first year of medical school, he was paralyzed in a diving-board accident[2][6] and was hospitalized for 14 months. He has been confined to a wheelchair ever since the accident. He continued his medical studies at Harvard, however, and graduated with his class, earning his M.D. in 1975.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Krauthammer



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Re: Elizabeth Warren Could Threaten Hillary from Left in 2016
« Reply #97 on: January 16, 2015, 07:28:51 PM »
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« Reply #98 on: January 18, 2015, 09:41:56 AM »
Yes, he has been confined to a wheelchair since his diving accident in 1971.  Typical classless comment from a liberal.  Not surprised.

In 1970, he graduated from McGill University with First Class Honors in political science and economics.[5] The following year, he was a Commonwealth Scholar in politics at Balliol College, Oxford, before returning to the United States and entering Harvard Medical School. During Krauthammer's first year of medical school, he was paralyzed in a diving-board accident[2][6] and was hospitalized for 14 months. He has been confined to a wheelchair ever since the accident. He continued his medical studies at Harvard, however, and graduated with his class, earning his M.D. in 1975.

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So he is as incompetent as a political commentator as he was a surfer?


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Re: Elizabeth Warren Could Threaten Hillary from Left in 2016
« Reply #99 on: January 18, 2015, 04:04:39 PM »
So he is as incompetent as a political commentator as he was a surfer?



Apparently so.