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« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2013, 02:55:26 PM »

For reals?  Is cancer covered under Medicare?

I think it is but not sure.  Single payer cant support catastrophic conditions in large amounts.  You need a very healthy population to support it long term. 
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« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2013, 04:12:25 PM »

False - Obama wrote the regulations forcing the carrier to comply or be fined.  He is to blame solely for this disaster. 


There is no fine with respect to the coverage requirements.  There is a requirement to cover more, and the law required all policies to adhere to the new requirements or they could not be marketed. 

What many insurance companies did instead is just cancel the policies.   

People in the administration knew this was a possibility a while ago, but Obama made his promise anyway.  Bad mistake indeed.

But not the end of American civilization (I hope).  And all cancellations are effective January 1st.  So, as of now (contrary to what one poster has claimed) no one has lost their medical care and no one has died.
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« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2013, 04:32:25 PM »

I think it is but not sure.  Single payer cant support catastrophic conditions in large amounts.  You need a very healthy population to support it long term. 

Medicare covers testing for cancer.

Medicaid covers some treatment and drugs.

Social Security, under disability coverage, covers treatments.

In addition to that there are programs like Charity Care that will pay the treatments.

In other words, crapcare was not needed. There was no need to destroy the insurance plans of 90% of the population to try cover 10%. Why didn't they come up with a separate plan for those 10%?
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« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2013, 05:19:46 PM »

Not true.  Single payer means no one ever gets sick, like in the rest of the civilized world. 


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« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2013, 05:30:03 PM »

I think it is but not sure.  Single payer cant support catastrophic conditions in large amounts.  You need a very healthy population to support it long term. 

Cancer is covered.
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« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2013, 07:28:09 AM »

Medicare covers testing for cancer.

Medicaid covers some treatment and drugs.

Social Security, under disability coverage, covers treatments.

In addition to that there are programs like Charity Care that will pay the treatments.

In other words, crapcare was not needed. There was no need to destroy the insurance plans of 90% of the population to try cover 10%. Why didn't they come up with a separate plan for those 10%?

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« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2013, 07:38:52 AM »

I think it is but not sure.  Single payer cant support catastrophic conditions in large amounts.  You need a very healthy population to support it long term.  

A healthy or small population. A system with a better ratio of contributors to beneficiaries.
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« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2013, 03:16:10 PM »

Single payer wouldnt even cover this. Have to buy a seperate cancer policy, fuckwits. 

And depending on how old she is, what stage the cancer is and the cost associated the care rationing boards might choose to just let her die.
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« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2013, 11:18:24 AM »

And depending on how old she is, what stage the cancer is and the cost associated the care rationing boards might choose to just let her die.


There are no such "rationing boards", brainiac. 
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« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2013, 11:34:50 AM »

Medicare covers testing for cancer.

Medicaid covers some treatment and drugs.

Social Security, under disability coverage, covers treatments.

In addition to that there are programs like Charity Care that will pay the treatments.

In other words, crapcare was not needed. There was no need to destroy the insurance plans of 90% of the population to try cover 10%. Why didn't they come up with a separate plan for those 10%?


Republicans would never pass something benefitting those 10% and you know it.
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« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2013, 11:35:57 AM »


There are no such "rationing boards", brainiac. 

LMFA!!!!
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« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2013, 11:40:16 AM »

LMFA!!!!


Put up or shut up.  And cutting and pasting Teabagger propaganda does not count.  The ACA is online,  so point out where in it "rationing boards" are created.  And if you can't do that, shut the fuck up.

ps, As you appear to be mentally challenged, let me know if you need the link.
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« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2013, 11:49:18 AM »


Republicans would never pass something benefitting those 10% and you know it.
Really?

Democrats needed Republican approval when they had majorities on both houses?

They rammed crapcare through even when no Republican voted for it on 2010. Why would they need a Republican vote to pass a plan to benefit those 10% back in 2010?

They, dems, didn't do it because they want to socialize everything in america.

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« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2013, 12:14:51 PM »

You still have the health insurance system so where does the Socialism thing fit in exactly?
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« Reply #39 on: November 18, 2013, 12:17:08 PM »


Put up or shut up.  And cutting and pasting Teabagger propaganda does not count.  The ACA is online,  so point out where in it "rationing boards" are created.  And if you can't do that, shut the fuck up.

ps, As you appear to be mentally challenged, let me know if you need the link.

IPAB!!!!
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« Reply #40 on: November 18, 2013, 12:32:14 PM »

IPAB!!!!


Is that a section in the ACA Huh
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« Reply #41 on: November 18, 2013, 03:05:20 PM »

IPAB!!!!

You cryptic bastid, you.  I don't know what "IPAB" or "LMFA" stands for.
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« Reply #42 on: November 18, 2013, 03:08:06 PM »

You cryptic bastid, you.  I don't know what "IPAB" or "LMFA" stands for.

Look it up dummy 
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« Reply #43 on: November 18, 2013, 05:50:14 PM »

Look it up dummy 

No, you lazy dick.  You post links with little or no description that people have to click and now you're using acronyms you won't explain?

Why don't you just admit that you have no real interest in politics and just want attention? 
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« Reply #44 on: November 18, 2013, 08:01:40 PM »

No, you lazy dick.  You post links with little or no description that people have to click and now you're using acronyms you won't explain?

Why don't you just admit that you have no real interest in politics and just want attention? 


You're asking what IPAB is while claiming he isn't interested in politics?  lol.

That was one of the most hotly debated boards during the entire healthcare debate.  It has the ability to alter payment rates to healthcare providers.

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« Reply #45 on: November 18, 2013, 08:04:44 PM »


You're asking what IPAB is while claiming he isn't interested in politics?  lol.

That was one of the most hotly debated boards during the entire healthcare debate.  It has the ability to alter payment rates to healthcare providers.



Lol.  He is a tpical clueless lib idiot.
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« Reply #46 on: November 19, 2013, 11:09:02 PM »

IPAB!!!!

I believe the canard that the Independent Payment Advisory Board is "a rationing board" has been put to bed numerous times.  Here's a recent example: 

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jul/29/news/la-ol-howard-dean-obamacare-ipab-wrong-20130729.

There is nothing in the ACA that would establish rationing of care.  Controlling the cost of care, which is the function of the IPAB, is not rationing of care; if anything, it helps prevent such rationing from occurring as a result of rising costs making such care unaffordable for many people.

Insurance companies and Medicare/Medicaid already regulate reimbursement costs. 

If the IPAB is your song and dance on rationing, you had best dip back into your Glenn Beck hymnal and come up with a better tune.




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« Reply #47 on: November 20, 2013, 05:54:15 AM »

why bother Roll Eyes, most on this board get their news from fox and friends  Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #48 on: November 20, 2013, 05:54:55 AM »



Citing Howard Dean?

LMFAO! 

I believe the canard that the Independent Payment Advisory Board is "a rationing board" has been put to bed numerous times.  Here's a recent example: 

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jul/29/news/la-ol-howard-dean-obamacare-ipab-wrong-20130729.

There is nothing in the ACA that would establish rationing of care.  Controlling the cost of care, which is the function of the IPAB, is not rationing of care; if anything, it helps prevent such rationing from occurring as a result of rising costs making such care unaffordable for many people.

Insurance companies and Medicare/Medicaid already regulate reimbursement costs. 

If the IPAB is your song and dance on rationing, you had best dip back into your Glenn Beck hymnal and come up with a better tune.





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« Reply #49 on: November 20, 2013, 01:15:45 PM »


Citing Howard Dean?

LMFAO! 


Hi numbskull. Why don't you read something for a change.  He actually makes some of your same arguments.  It is the rebuttal that is interesting.

But you know, I think it is probably a waste of time to try to communicate with you.  Keep shouting nonsensically, Dittohead.  There is a place for the brain dead in our society.  Not in the Navy, though.
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