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« on: November 14, 2013, 09:59:54 AM »

"A woman in a life and death battle with cancer was dealt another devastating blow," says the Florida anchor.

"This letter makes more problems for us," says the cancer victim. "That we don't need at this moment."  

The anchor continues, "She just found out she's being dropped by her insurance company because of a loophole in Obamacare. Incredible story. Gloria Cantor has been fighting this illness for months with her husband ... at her side."

"As you can imagine, this insurance problem couldn't have come at a worse time," say another anchor.

"This letter makes more problems for us we don't need at this moment," says the cancer victim.


http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/woman-cancer-dropped-insurance-due-obamacare_767085.html#
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« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2013, 10:03:13 AM »

Obama lied, people died.
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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2013, 02:02:47 PM »

The Real Reason That The Cancer Patient Writing In Today’s Wall Street Journal Lost Her Insurance

 By Igor Volsky   on  November 4, 2013 at 9:08 am


woman_talking_to_doctorM onday’s Wall Street Journal features an op-ed from Edie Littlefield Sundby, a stage-4 gallbladder cancer survivor who won’t be able to keep the coverage she currently has. Her insurer, United Healthcare, is pulling out of the individual health care market, forcing Sundby to find new coverage in California’s health care exchange.

But the plans available through Cover California don’t offer in-network coverage for all of the care Sundby needs. As a result, she has to choose between her two health care providers if she wishes to remain in-network. “Stanford has kept me alive—but UCSD has provided emergency and local treatment support during wretched periods of this disease, and it is where my primary-care doctors are,” she writes:


What happened to the president’s promise, “You can keep your health plan”? Or to the promise that “You can keep your doctor”? Thanks to the law, I have been forced to give up a world-class health plan. The exchange would force me to give up a world-class physician.

But Sundby shouldn’t blame reform — United Healthcare dropped her coverage because they’ve struggled to compete in California’s individual health care market for years and didn’t want to pay for sicker patients like Sundby.

The company, which only had 8,000 individual policy holders in California out of the two million who participate in the market, announced (along with a second insurer, Aetna) that it would be pulling out of the individual market in May. The company could not compete with Anthem Blue Cross, Blue Shield of California and Kaiser Permanente, who control more than 80 percent of the individual market. “Over the years, it has become more difficult to administer these plans in a cost-effective way for our members,” UnitedHealth spokeswoman Cheryl Randolph explained. “We will continue to keep a major presence in California, focusing instead on large and small employers.”

The two insurers were also operating at a tax disadvantage in the state. As California Insurance Commissioner Dave Jones explained, “One of the factors I believe contributed to this decision….is the special tax break that California law gives to Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield, which has allowed and continues to allow those two companies to avoid paying $100 million in state taxes a year.” “Aetna and United Healthcare don’t get the special tax break provided to Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield, and so they faced a major competitive disadvantage in California.”

And then there is the company’s own justification for leaving. “The company’s plans reflect its concern that the first wave of newly insured customers under the law may be the costliest,” UHC Chief Executive Officer Stephen Helmsley told investors last October. “UnitedHealth will watch and see how the exchanges evolve and expects the first enrollees will have ‘a pent-up appetite’ for medical care. We are approaching them with some degree of caution because of that.”

Get that? The company packed its bags and dumped its beneficiaries because it wants its competitors to swallow the first wave of sicker enrollees only to re-enter the market later and profit from the healthy people who still haven’t signed up for coverage.

Sundby is losing her coverage and her doctors because of a business decision her insurer made within the competitive dynamics of California’s health care market. She’ll now have to enroll in a new plan that offers tighter networks of providers as a way to control health care costs and offer lower premiums. Eleven insurers are participating in Covered California and for the first time they won’t be able to deny coverage to Sundby or any other cancer patients.

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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2013, 02:44:19 PM »

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/14/us-usa-healthcare-ahip-idUSBRE9AD14720131114


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« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2013, 03:19:35 PM »

The Real Reason That The Cancer Patient Writing In Today’s Wall Street Journal Lost Her Insurance

 By Igor Volsky   on  November 4, 2013 at 9:08 am


woman_talking_to_doctorM onday’s Wall Street Journal features an op-ed from Edie Littlefield Sundby, a stage-4 gallbladder cancer survivor who won’t be able to keep the coverage she currently has. Her insurer, United Healthcare, is pulling out of the individual health care market, forcing Sundby to find new coverage in California’s health care exchange.

But the plans available through Cover California don’t offer in-network coverage for all of the care Sundby needs. As a result, she has to choose between her two health care providers if she wishes to remain in-network. “Stanford has kept me alive—but UCSD has provided emergency and local treatment support during wretched periods of this disease, and it is where my primary-care doctors are,” she writes:


What happened to the president’s promise, “You can keep your health plan”? Or to the promise that “You can keep your doctor”? Thanks to the law, I have been forced to give up a world-class health plan. The exchange would force me to give up a world-class physician.

But Sundby shouldn’t blame reform — United Healthcare dropped her coverage because they’ve struggled to compete in California’s individual health care market for years and didn’t want to pay for sicker patients like Sundby.

The company, which only had 8,000 individual policy holders in California out of the two million who participate in the market, announced (along with a second insurer, Aetna) that it would be pulling out of the individual market in May. The company could not compete with Anthem Blue Cross, Blue Shield of California and Kaiser Permanente, who control more than 80 percent of the individual market. “Over the years, it has become more difficult to administer these plans in a cost-effective way for our members,” UnitedHealth spokeswoman Cheryl Randolph explained. “We will continue to keep a major presence in California, focusing instead on large and small employers.”

The two insurers were also operating at a tax disadvantage in the state. As California Insurance Commissioner Dave Jones explained, “One of the factors I believe contributed to this decision….is the special tax break that California law gives to Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield, which has allowed and continues to allow those two companies to avoid paying $100 million in state taxes a year.” “Aetna and United Healthcare don’t get the special tax break provided to Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield, and so they faced a major competitive disadvantage in California.”

And then there is the company’s own justification for leaving. “The company’s plans reflect its concern that the first wave of newly insured customers under the law may be the costliest,” UHC Chief Executive Officer Stephen Helmsley told investors last October. “UnitedHealth will watch and see how the exchanges evolve and expects the first enrollees will have ‘a pent-up appetite’ for medical care. We are approaching them with some degree of caution because of that.”

Get that? The company packed its bags and dumped its beneficiaries because it wants its competitors to swallow the first wave of sicker enrollees only to re-enter the market later and profit from the healthy people who still haven’t signed up for coverage.

Sundby is losing her coverage and her doctors because of a business decision her insurer made within the competitive dynamics of California’s health care market. She’ll now have to enroll in a new plan that offers tighter networks of providers as a way to control health care costs and offer lower premiums. Eleven insurers are participating in Covered California and for the first time they won’t be able to deny coverage to Sundby or any other cancer patients.



This.
She deserved to lose her coverage.  She's probably a neocon tea bagging repukelican too so she deserves not to be covered at all
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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2013, 04:31:46 PM »

Single payer would avoid all this noise.
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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2013, 06:43:52 PM »

Single payer would avoid all this noise.

Yes.  This would make everything perfect.  The government would handle everything cheaply, efficiently, and effectively. 
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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2013, 06:51:29 PM »

Single payer wouldnt even cover this. Have to buy a seperate cancer policy, fuckwits. 
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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2013, 07:09:35 PM »

Single payer wouldnt even cover this. Have to buy a seperate cancer policy, fuckwits. 

So racist.  SMH...
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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2013, 07:11:07 PM »

So racist.  SMH...

You say that like its a bad thing.  Cool
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« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2013, 07:35:31 PM »

"A woman in a life and death battle with cancer was dealt another devastating blow," says the Florida anchor.

"This letter makes more problems for us," says the cancer victim. "That we don't need at this moment."  

The anchor continues, "She just found out she's being dropped by her insurance company because of a loophole in Obamacare. Incredible story. Gloria Cantor has been fighting this illness for months with her husband ... at her side."

"As you can imagine, this insurance problem couldn't have come at a worse time," say another anchor.

"This letter makes more problems for us we don't need at this moment," says the cancer victim.


http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/woman-cancer-dropped-insurance-due-obamacare_767085.html#
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Just so you know, insurance companies cancelled health insurance policies at the rate of about 10,000 per month across the US during 2009, one year before Obamacare.  Typical year, typical number.

Well, it is now a perfect opportunity for those companies to cite Obamacare as the reason.

Here is another point of view:

http://prospect.org/article/another-phony-obamacare-victim-story

And, also just so you know, the person you cite, due to her pre-existing condition, would have been uninsurable if that cancellation had occurred and Obamacare was not around.  You do understand that, right?

Yes, the President made a promise he could not keep, he has apologized, and he is now trying to fix it.

I know that's not good enough for you, but since you don't know what you are talking about, it doesn't matter.
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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2013, 07:48:47 PM »

As history has shown, any number of lives are expendable as long as the leftist agenda progresses.

They're showing their true colors with their vicious, disgusting attacks on these people. So much for keeping your own plan.

The Dem meltdown occurring is hilarious to watch.
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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2013, 08:15:04 PM »

Single payer wouldnt even cover this. Have to buy a seperate cancer policy, fuckwits. 

What's "this", exactly?  Single payer wouldn't cover cancer treatment?  Or do you mean something else?


And, "Fuckwits"?  Why plural, Showstoppers?

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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2013, 08:16:53 PM »

So racist.  SMH...

Racist how?  Someone gotta problem with 1/2 Portuguese folks?
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« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2013, 09:25:49 PM »

Hahaha, single payer. These twats can't even build a fucking website. Single payer isn't coming anytime soon and you can thank Obama for it. LOL!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2013, 05:06:47 AM »

What's "this", exactly?  Single payer wouldn't cover cancer treatment?  Or do you mean something else?


And, "Fuckwits"?  Why plural, Showstoppers?



By this I meant cancer.  In many single payer systems it is purchased seperately.
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« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2013, 05:44:08 AM »

By this I meant cancer.  In many single payer systems it is purchased seperately.

Not true.  Single payer means no one ever gets sick, like in the rest of the civilized world. 

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« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2013, 06:15:40 AM »


Just so you know, insurance companies cancelled health insurance policies at the rate of about 10,000 per month across the US during 2009, one year before Obamacare.  Typical year, typical number.

Well, it is now a perfect opportunity for those companies to cite Obamacare as the reason.


Just so you know, your point has nothing to do with this case or the other 5 million other policies that have been cancelled.

5 million. You have a long way to go from 10K and while those 10K are cancelled by insurance companies, these 5 MILLION, AGAIN 5 MILLION in 1 MONTH is due to OBAMACRAPCARE.

Stop spreading the BS that it falls only on insurance companies and that they are conveniently using crapcare as AN EXCUSE to cancel the policies.

CRACARE CAHNGED THE STANDARD OF MINIMUM COVERAGE, therefore making all those 5 MILLION POLICIES, and COUNTING, ILLEGAL. So INSURANCE COMPANIES HAD NO CHOICE UNDER THE NEW LAW BUT TO CANCEL THEM.  PERIOD.

CRAPCARE CAUSED ALL THIS. Don't twist it.

Again, OBAMA LIED, PEOPLE DIED.
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« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2013, 06:32:55 AM »

As history has shown, any number of lives are expendable as long as the leftist agenda progresses.

They're showing their true colors with their vicious, disgusting attacks on these people. So much for keeping your own plan.

The Dem meltdown occurring is hilarious to watch.


And you can see the idiots of this board believing, like the moronic drones that they are, that insurance companies are the bad guys here and oh, oh, here comes the clowninchief to the rescue against the evilllllllll insurance companies.

The fag in the white house made all individual policies that did not have all the unnecessary coverage like maternity coverage, pediatric vision, mental health illegal. People that don't need any of that coverage and did not have them on their policy were canceled because Democrats made those policies obsolete. Since it's now the law, as libtards always like to point out, insruance companies have to cancel those policies, they don't have a CHOICE, they have to cancel them and offer those people new policies that are acceptable to the standards set by democrats. All of the sudden, Democrats whant insurance companies to BREAK THE LAW.

There is no way around it, idiots. Crapcare caused all those cancellations and more are coming. MORE ARE COMING!!!

You can see who the idiots on this board are when they see exactly what is going on but their first instinct is to start spewing the white house talking points. Oh, "insurance companies always cancel policies". Oh, "its only 5%" (which is another lie).

Yes, they sure did cancel policies. All insurance companies have a right to cancel based on their guidelines and CHANGE IN LAW!!! THE LATTER is the reason why all these people are getting canceled now.  They are getting canceled now because of CRAPCARE. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

OBAMA LIED, PEOPLE DIED.
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« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2013, 08:20:05 AM »

Sorry I disagree.  

Obamacare mandated certain minimum requirements.  Instead of upgrading this lady's policy to include them, the insurance company cancelled her policy.  But now she can get better insurance at the same rates as healthy people and she cannot be denied coverage due to her cancer.  

Your numbers are also faulty.

And no one has died,  jerko.

Perhaps you recall Medicare reform under George W. Bush?  Rollout was a disaster.  A year later, everyone was happy.

Except you, of course.

Tell me, genius and bona fide Obama hater, what's your solution to healthcare in this country.  Got one?

I didn't think so.

Just so you know, your point has nothing to do with this case or the other 5 million other policies that have been cancelled.

5 million. You have a long way to go from 10K and while those 10K are cancelled by insurance companies, these 5 MILLION, AGAIN 5 MILLION in 1 MONTH is due to OBAMACRAPCARE.

Stop spreading the BS that it falls only on insurance companies and that they are conveniently using crapcare as AN EXCUSE to cancel the policies.

CRACARE CAHNGED THE STANDARD OF MINIMUM COVERAGE, therefore making all those 5 MILLION POLICIES, and COUNTING, ILLEGAL. So INSURANCE COMPANIES HAD NO CHOICE UNDER THE NEW LAW BUT TO CANCEL THEM.  PERIOD.

CRAPCARE CAUSED ALL THIS. Don't twist it.

Again, OBAMA LIED, PEOPLE DIED.
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« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2013, 08:22:20 AM »

False - Obama wrote the regulations forcing the carrier to comply or be fined.  He is to blame solely for this disaster. 

Sorry I disagree. 

Obamacare required certain minimum requirements.  Instead of upgrading this lady"s policy to include them, the insurance company cancelled her policy.  But now she can get better insurance at the same rates as healthy people and she cannot be denied coverage due to her cancer. 

Your numbers are also faulty.

And no one has died,  jerko.

Perhaps you recall Medicare reform under George W. Bush?  Rollout was a disaster.  A year later, everyone was happy.

Except you, of course.

Tell me, genius and bona fide Obama hater, what's your solution to healthcare in this country.  Got one?

I didn't think so.

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« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2013, 09:17:15 AM »

By this I meant cancer.  In many single payer systems it is purchased seperately.

For reals?  Is cancer covered under Medicare?
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« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2013, 09:46:20 AM »

False - Obama wrote the regulations forcing the carrier to comply or be fined.  He is to blame solely for this disaster. 


Swoooooosh. This huge fact flies right over their heads.

This fools act like changing the entire system is nothing. As if it insurance companies are not bound by the new law.

I mean these libtards are pathetic.
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« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2013, 09:59:42 AM »


And, also just so you know, the person you cite, due to her pre-existing condition, would have been uninsurable if that cancellation had occurred and Obamacare was not around.  You do understand that, right?

Yes, the President made a promise he could not keep, he has apologized, and he is now trying to fix it.

I know that's not good enough for you, but since you don't know what you are talking about, it doesn't matter.

If, if, if, if.

That is not the issue. The woman ALREADY HAD HER INSURANCE and was COVERED for her cancer treatment. Her insurance was intact.

The only reason it is now cancelled is because of CRAPCARE. If it wasn't for crapcare she wouldn't be in this situation. How are you so sure that if crapcare wasn't around, the insurance company was going to cancel her anyway?


The "president's" "fix" does nothing. It is not a fix since it's only temporarily and already insurance companies have come out stating that it would be impossible for them to implement it.

You are right. A liar's word is never enough. Too bad your too naive to understand that.
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« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2013, 10:36:50 AM »

If, if, if, if.

That is not the issue. The woman ALREADY HAD HER INSURANCE and was COVERED for her cancer treatment. Her insurance was intact.

The only reason it is now cancelled is because of CRAPCARE. If it wasn't for crapcare she wouldn't be in this situation. How are you so sure that if crapcare wasn't around, the insurance company was going to cancel her anyway?

The "president's" "fix" does nothing. It is not a fix since it's only temporarily and already insurance companies have come out stating that it would be impossible for them to implement it.

You are right. A liar's word is never enough. Too bad your too naive to understand that.

I did not say that if Obamacare wasn't around she would be cancelled anyway.  What I said was that before Obamacare, if someone's insurance was cancelled and they had a pre-existing condition like cancer, they could not buy insurance at any price.  Understand?  I have had cancer and I know what that fear is like.

She will be insured under Obamacare before her current policy is no longer in effect.  She will not miss one of her treatment sessions.

But Republicans don't want it to work.  Not because it won't work, but because they are against any new government program that adds to the deficit.  But Obamacare doesnt't, according to numerous impartial sources.

Also, please stop saying people are dying.  No one is dying because these cancellations are effective January 1st, not now.  Please pound that through your thick skull, OK?  If you want to challenge that statement, please do so with facts, not propaganda from Fox News.

I see you have no response to the link I provided you debunking your claims.  Didn't read it, I guess.

He did not lie.  He just didn't do his due diligence.  You are right about that.

Since you seem unfamiliar with the Bush Medicare changes, I urge you to familiarize yourself with that bit of history.

In the past, before this destructive polarization that is dividing our country, most bills implementing government programs have had glitches.  In the past, Congress would quietly and in a bipartisan way, pass tweaks and fixes to make everything work.

Too much vitriol for that to happen now.
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