Author Topic: JFK Inside the Evidence  (Read 15870 times)

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Re: JFK Inside the Evidence
« Reply #100 on: November 26, 2013, 10:37:22 AM »
ONE THING: I CAN DISMISS OSWALD FROM THE SCENE COMPLETELY-  The wounds DO NOT hit at the proper angle if he was shooting from the 6th floor...

The TOP of Kennedy's head would be the entry point, and his JAW would be blown off, huge downward angle!!

The throat wound- same thing, entry point in the head again...


***  Shots were all pretty much from ground level  ***

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Re: JFK Inside the Evidence
« Reply #101 on: November 26, 2013, 11:19:25 AM »
This theory makes total sense.

A new documentary alleges that a Secret Service agent was the second (and accidental) shooter in the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

At the Television Critics Association press tour in Los Angeles on Sunday, producers and investigators behind Reelz Channel's new documentary "JFK: The Smoking Gun" made the claim that George Hickey, a Secret Service agent riding in the car behind Kennedy, accidentally shot the president on Nov. 22, 1963. The film follows veteran police detective Colin McLaren in his four-year investigation of the assassination and points at Hickey, who died two years ago.

McLaren's research built on the work of Howard Donahue, who spent 20 years studying the assassination and had his findings documented in Bonar Menninger’s book Mortal Error: The Shot That Killed JFK. McLaren and Menninger were on hand Sunday to take questions about their film, which the network billed in press notes as a "docudrama."

Addressing the crowd, McLaren claimed that Hickey and other Secret Service agents were out partying the night before Kennedy's fatal motorcade drive through Dallas. Based on his painstaking investigation, McLaren said, evidence suggests Hickey was not qualified to use the weapon he was holding the morning of the shooting.

"It was his first time in the follow car, his first time holding the assault weapon he was using," McLaren said. Producers said the film's theory is that shots rang out, and Hickey grabbed his weapon to return fire. When his car stopped suddenly, Hickey accidentally discharged his weapon -- making him the second shooter, the film's investigators and producers alleged.

McLaren said he believes that Hickey's weapon had hollow-point rounds -- different from the ammunition for the weapon used by Lee Harvey Oswald, whom the Warren Commission declared in 1964 was the lone gunman in the case. Menninger and McLaren said that based on their review of the forensics in the case, they believe that Kennedy was also struck by a hollow-point round.

Oswald was killed before he could stand trial, but the case has continued to inspire various theories around just how the tragedy occurred. Books and films have advanced different ideas -- including a second shooter theory.

"We're not saying this was intentional," Menninger said Sunday. "This was a tragic accident in the heat of the moment."


"We don't suggest he was in any way involved in a conspiracy," Menninger added.

Donahue wrote about his theory decades ago, but McLaren said it's taken decades -- and the release of thousands of JFK-related documents during the Clinton administration -- for a proper review of all the evidence and information related to the case. The authors acknowledged Sunday that there are many other books and films on the assassination, but said theirs is unique because it is based on a new review of the documents released during the 1990s.

McLaren and Menninger also alleged that the government -- including Robert F. Kennedy -- covered up the involvement of the Secret Service and Hickey.

The producers were pressed on how the alleged involvement of the Secret Service could be covered up for 50 years.

"Nobody was going to gain" from having this out there, Menninger said.

"We're not here to blacken the name" of Hickey or any other individual, or the modern-day Secret Service, McLaren said.

Menninger discussed the fact that he was sued by Hickey in the 1990s, but noted that despite a settlement, his publisher never removed his book from the shelves.

"I'm sure that [Hickey] suffered greatly from this," Menninger said. "The fact that he passed on -- maybe it's time to talk about it."

"Our documentary is going to be the only one that has opened the case forensically and looked at the evidence from the beginning and examined everything that happened that day in Dealey Plaza," Michael Prupas, the film's executive director, said.

Reelz Channel gained notice two years ago for airing the miniseries "The Kennedys," which some historical experts criticized as an unflattering portrayal of the family.

"No other network will touch these things," Reelz's CEO Stanley E. Hubbard said Sunday.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/28/jfk-second-shooter-documentary_n_3667317.html
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Haven't seen this before. I wonder what the alternate explanations are for this image:



Lol, again look at the original Image

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Re: JFK Inside the Evidence
« Reply #103 on: November 26, 2013, 11:59:26 AM »
Clint Hill (Secret Service agent that was there when it happened) was on the Imus show this morning. He said that all 3 shots clearly came from behind him (not on the grassy hill on the side). He shielded the president and Jackie after the shooting. He said they were going 11 mph when the shots rang out. I was on a side street on the way to work when he said this so I slowed down to 11 mph and 3 shots like that is very doable. The bullets have been traced to Oswold's gun also and I think there's no doubt that he was the shooter.

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Lol, again look at the original Image

Yeah, I did. Is there doubt about whether it fits to the original pic without adding detail? I don't know much about the subject. (the pic really got me, though. especially the way the eyes seem to compare to sarti's)

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Re: JFK Inside the Evidence
« Reply #105 on: November 26, 2013, 12:13:12 PM »
...not to mention the arm patch versus a DPD patch.

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Re: JFK Inside the Evidence
« Reply #106 on: November 26, 2013, 12:16:48 PM »
Unlikely





Compared to these creepy bitches he's surrounded with he doesn't look too bad.

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Re: JFK Inside the Evidence
« Reply #107 on: November 26, 2013, 02:47:37 PM »
There's no way Oswald got off 3 accurate shots with a bolt action rifle.  He was a terrible shot to begin with, and expert marksmen haven't been able to do it since either. I highly doubt he fired a single shot.  The shots from the rear likely came from the Dal-Tex building, not the TSBD.  Oswald was nothing more than the fall guy, which is why he was killed by Jack Ruby before he could say anything.  The fatal head shot came from the Grassy Knoll.  All one has to do is look what direction JFK's head went when it was hit.  It went back and to the left, which would have been impossible if the headshot came from the rear.  Bystanders also looked and ran toward the Grassy Knoll because this is where at least 1 shot came from.

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Re: JFK Inside the Evidence
« Reply #108 on: November 27, 2013, 06:29:52 AM »
Exactly.

It is as I explained in an earlier post...

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The funny thing about people who think it was Oswald is that now the consensus is that Oswald's first shot missed. :D

Yep, that's the consensus. I've been watching all the specials the last few weeks.

The lone shooter believers say that the first shot missed the car completely.

Say what? :o ??? ::)

Oswald had pulled the bolt back. He had aimed. He had time (and a better chance) to shoot Kennedy coming down Houston Street.

An easy shot. Nowhere for the car to go. If it accelerates forward, you have time for more shots. If it tries to back up, it smashes into the other cars in the motorcade.

Does Oswald shoot Kennedy coming down Houston Street?

Nope.

He waits. And waits. He waits for him to make a turn on Elm Street and begin accelerating away from him.

He now has to make a far more difficult shot, not to mention that he has to shoot through a tree (Texas live oak).

And now they say the first shot missed? The easiest of the bunch?

Too funny. ;D

So in a rush to get off shots two and three with a manual bolt action rifle that has widely been viewed as the single worst shoulder weapon ever made, he scores a throat shot (not to mention a two-for-one with it magically hitting Connolly), but a head shot on the third.

Yeah, right. ::)

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Re: JFK Inside the Evidence
« Reply #109 on: November 27, 2013, 06:36:54 AM »
...thanks for posting that, btw, Desolate.

You're welcome, Jack.

If you're interested, this is the special that will explain that photograph.

It's part two of the documentary series called "The Men Who Killed Kennedy."

This particular episode is titled "The Forces of Darkness."



Army of One, you should watch this as well.

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Ropo, this is no disrespect to you at all because i have always kept you in the highest esteem as a poster but the biggest question I have with your theory is "WHY"?? And was Oswald the best they could do??

Why not send a better, world class shooter in?? One shot and done with a better escape route? They could have EASILY pulled it off. The police were literally pulling people in from as far away as Fort Worth. What was stopping Oswald jumping in a Mafia car a block from the scene and zooming away and without anybody being the wiser? The whole situation was just far too sloppy to suggest anything other than a loner with a decent shooting ability who had this opportunity given to him on a silver platter.

That plus the fact that not ONE person has come forward with slightest bit of info regarding the assassination of JFK just makes the argument of a lone gunman, who was the only person in on it, that much stronger.

For me, Oswald himself is the best evidence about the fact, that he was alone. No one in their right mind would put him to position of the shooter, but there is no evidence what so ever for another shooter, so it must be him. He fit in the picture of the murderer, who has his own motives and act alone. Maybe he has brag about the idea, maybe his militant friends has dare him to do it. What is clear by all these scientific evidence find by new techniques, is that he had time for all those three shots, there is no more than those three shots, and no evidencse about anything more, than those three shots. Everything points to Oswald, so how it could not be him? What comes other incidents, fucked up investigation, missing evidence and all that, just look at the situation. People favorite president has been shot in middle of the day in front of thousands of people, and they has lead to the murderer. Since when situation like that has been anything more than time for the lynch mob in texas? How they would be able to do their police work, while situation seem to be straight forward, murderer is in jail etc. And what comes to Ruby, maybe they did have some kind of plot for escape, but hey left Oswald hang, because he was expendable and clear risk, so they send Ruby to stop his talking. Garrison could be partly right in his theories, because bunch of militant dumb ass fools can be the source of this action, with their connection to Cuba. My bet is that this militant group of gay and merry men(Shaw & Ferrie, and the bunch of idiots) have got fed up by Oswalds bragging about his plan to shoot Kennedy, and they told him to do it, or shut the fuck up. When it really happen, it scare them shitless and in this panic they send Ruby, already dying by cancer, to minimize the damages and kill him.

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Re: JFK Inside the Evidence
« Reply #111 on: November 29, 2013, 08:33:24 AM »
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