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Senate Goes Nuclear
« on: November 21, 2013, 11:04:05 AM »
Harry Reid finally found his balls

Good thing because Repubs would have done it next time they had the majority anyway



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Re: Senate Goes Nuclear
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2013, 11:08:15 AM »
Oh really.....I suspect not. But thats based on history. Ur president nows he's done.....
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Re: Senate Goes Nuclear
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2013, 11:11:55 AM »
Oh really.....I suspect not. But thats based on history. Ur president nows he's done.....

I assume you're aware of how much more the Repubs have blocked Obama's nominations than Dems ever did to Republican POTUS's

It's become completely dysfunctional

Repubs were given many chances and chose obstruction over governing


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Re: Senate Goes Nuclear
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2013, 11:12:54 AM »
What happened?

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Re: Senate Goes Nuclear
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2013, 11:16:48 AM »
I assume you're aware of how much more the Repubs have blocked Obama's nominations than Dems ever did to Republican POTUS's

It's become completely dysfunctional

Repubs were given many chances and chose obstruction over governing




The folks he chose were wack job leftists...anybody that Bush chose that was far right got equal treatment. Now you guys own this along with Obamacare...2014 can't come soon enough
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Re: Senate Goes Nuclear
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2013, 11:19:07 AM »

The folks he chose were wack job leftists...anybody that Bush chose that was far right got equal treatment. Now you guys own this along with Obamacare...2014 can't come soon enough

~ 25% of the judgeships on the DC Circuit were vacant

Repubs are simply trying to keep the government from working

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Re: Senate Goes Nuclear
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2013, 11:20:52 AM »
Packing the courts with wackjob leftists.......that sounds to me like they did exactly what we sent them here to do.
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Re: Senate Goes Nuclear
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2013, 11:25:17 AM »
Harry Reid in 2005.

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"If there were ever an example of an abuse of power, this is it," said Senate Minority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.). "The filibuster is the last check we have against the abuse of power in Washington."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/17/AR2005051701425.html

Harry gonna Harry.

In 05' it was bad. Now in 13' rolls are reversed and dirt harry wants to change the rules.

Makes me sick.

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Re: Senate Goes Nuclear
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2013, 11:27:27 AM »
Harry Reid in 2005.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/17/AR2005051701425.html

Harry gonna Harry.

In 05' it was bad. Now in 13' rolls are reversed and dirt harry wants to change the rules.

Makes me sick.

Daaaamn what a hypocrite....

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Re: Senate Goes Nuclear
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2013, 11:28:16 AM »
168 presidential nominees have been filibustered under all presidents,82 under Obama. something had to be done

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Re: Senate Goes Nuclear
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2013, 11:30:57 AM »
Forward to Communism 


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Re: Senate Goes Nuclear
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2013, 11:33:46 AM »
168 presidential nominees have been filibustered under all presidents,82 under Obama. something had to be done

Yup....maybe change the people he was nominating because their dangerous
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Re: Senate Goes Nuclear
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2013, 11:38:01 AM »
McConnell suggested that Democrats want to push for filibuster reform simply because they need something to distract angry Americans from the truth about Obamacare.

“I’d probably looking for an exit, too, if I had supported this law. I’d be looking to change the subject, just as Senate Denocrats have been doing with their threats of going nuclear and changing the Senate rules on nominations,” the Senate Minority Leader said. “Millions of Americans are hurting because of a law that Washington Democrats forced upon them, and what do they do about it? They cook up some fake fight over judges.”

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/11/21/2978371/mcconnell-nuclear-option-objection-obamacare/

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Re: Senate Goes Nuclear
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2013, 11:42:14 AM »
McConnell suggested that Democrats want to push for filibuster reform simply because they need something to distract angry Americans from the truth about Obamacare.

“I’d probably looking for an exit, too, if I had supported this law. I’d be looking to change the subject, just as Senate Denocrats have been doing with their threats of going nuclear and changing the Senate rules on nominations,” the Senate Minority Leader said. “Millions of Americans are hurting because of a law that Washington Democrats forced upon them, and what do they do about it? They cook up some fake fight over judges.”

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/11/21/2978371/mcconnell-nuclear-option-objection-obamacare/

These liberal communists and traitors and thugs know that in 2014 that are going to get wiped out ala 2010

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Re: Senate Goes Nuclear
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2013, 11:43:10 AM »
McConnell suggested that Democrats want to push for filibuster reform simply because they need something to distract angry Americans from the truth about Obamacare.

“I’d probably looking for an exit, too, if I had supported this law. I’d be looking to change the subject, just as Senate Denocrats have been doing with their threats of going nuclear and changing the Senate rules on nominations,” the Senate Minority Leader said. “Millions of Americans are hurting because of a law that Washington Democrats forced upon them, and what do they do about it? They cook up some fake fight over judges.”

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/11/21/2978371/mcconnell-nuclear-option-objection-obamacare/

quoting the turtle man  :D :D :D :D

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Re: Senate Goes Nuclear
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2013, 11:44:11 AM »
These liberal communists and traitors and thugs know that in 2014 that are going to get wiped out ala 2010

landslide coming  :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: Senate Goes Nuclear
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2013, 11:44:57 AM »
I assume you're aware of how much more the Repubs have blocked Obama's nominations than Dems ever did to Republican POTUS's

It's become completely dysfunctional

Repubs were given many chances and chose obstruction over governing



Maybe its because as dumb as the Republicans are they are nothing compared to the current socialist clown show going on.  

Ultimately though good riddance to a stupid rule, I just hope it isn't a set-up for a bunch of lame duck appointments that are goings to screw everyone over further.

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Re: Senate Goes Nuclear
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2013, 11:47:19 AM »
 I read this, You abuse a process too long and it turns against you

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Re: Senate Goes Nuclear
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2013, 11:47:47 AM »
These same leftists are going to scream like babies when the gop wins the senate and keeps the house and shuts down obamas last two miserable and worthless years in office.  

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Re: Senate Goes Nuclear
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2013, 11:49:08 AM »
These same leftists are going to scream like babies when the gop wins the senate and keeps the house and shuts down obamas last two miserable and worthless years in office.  

landslide coming  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: Senate Goes Nuclear
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2013, 12:00:13 PM »
landslide coming  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Yup, that's right:

Obamacare Delays May Create Election Bomb for Democrats

Some of Obamacare’s most damaging political narratives will be getting a fresh look right before next year’s midterms, thanks to delays in the law’s implementation.

Canceled insurance plans are the most obvious example. President Obama said last week that insurers can un-cancel certain policies for another year, a move largely designed to appease nervous Democrats. But a one-year delay simply means that cancellation notices will resume next October—just weeks before many of those same Democrats will face voters for the first time since voting to pass the Affordable Care Act.

And that’s not the only political threat lurking just ahead of the 2014 midterms. The White House also delayed the law’s employer mandate until 2015. That means employers will be deciding in mid- to late 2014 whether they’re going to offer health benefits under the mandate—and whether to cut employees’ hours to avoid providing them with health care.

“They’re concentrating everything in the fall of next year, and that’s a very dangerous time to be doing it,” said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a conservative economist who leads the American Action Forum.

The fact that millions of individual insurance policies were canceled this year was not a side effect of the Affordable Care Act; rather, it was one of the trade-offs required to make the law’s coverage guarantees work.

Those trade-offs can be politically difficult, but prolonging the issue until next year “just extends the pain for them,” Holtz-Eakin said. He was surprised that the administration and congressional Democrats didn’t simply bite the bullet now—a year before the midterms. He called it the “rip-the-Band-Aid approach.”

“This is one where, inexplicably, the wheels came off. They usually think through the politics of these things pretty clearly,” Holtz-Eakin said.

Still, although plans will have to be canceled again next October, there are reasons to believe the issue won’t be as damaging as it has been over the past two months. For starters, it’s not clear how many plans will actually be extended for another year. Several states have rejected Obama’s proposal, and insurers aren’t sure whether it’s worth the trouble to resurrect policies they have already canceled.

Consumers whose plans are canceled next year will also have a much easier time finding a replacement. Because HealthCare.gov, the primary Obamacare enrollment website, was functioning so poorly this year, consumers were seeing their plans canceled yet had no easy way to even find out whether they could get tax subsidies to help buy a new policy.

Jim Manley, a Democratic strategist and a former communications adviser to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Democrats’ anxiety over plan cancellations will subside if the administration meets its goal for fixing HealthCare.gov by the end of this month.

The impact of the employer mandate is less clear. Tracy Watts, who leads the national health reform team at the Mercer consulting firm, said employers generally firm up their health care plans by Labor Day, with some smaller firms waiting until October.

The biggest effect of the employer mandate, she said, will be on the roughly one-third of employers affected by the law’s definition of a full-time employee. Businesses must provide coverage to everyone who works at least 30 hours per week (not 40), a threshold most employers aren’t used to.

Republicans have already seized on anecdotal reports of businesses capping workers at 29 hours per week to avoid providing health care benefits. Mercer’s research suggests that’s not a common practice—only about 10 percent of employers say they’re considering capping workers’ hours instead of providing health benefits, according to the firm’s surveys.

“Most of them are planning to extend benefits to that segment of their workforce,” Watts said.

But Republicans surely will still attack Democrats over anecdotal reports of people having their hours cut. Some of the highest-profile anecdotes before the mandate was delayed came from partisan business owners who threatened to cut workers’ hours for political purposes, like the Florida restaurant owner who said he would cut workers’ hours and add an “Obamacare surcharge” to his customers’ bills.

Moreover, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is expecting deeper cuts than Mercer. The chamber’s surveys found that more than 20 percent of franchise owners said they have already replaced full-time workers with part-timers to avoid the coverage mandate.

Manley said he’s not worried about the employer mandate’s timing. The vast majority of employers already provide health insurance, he noted, and modestly extending those benefits isn’t a major change to the health care system.

“The Republicans are going to seize on everything they can, but I’m not so sure I see the employer mandate as a problem,” Manley said “It’s not a dramatic policy change. It’s something folks are comfortable with.”

This article appears in the November 21, 2013, edition of NJ Daily as Obamacare Delays Push Tough Issues Closer to Elections.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/obamacare-delays-may-create-election-bomb-for-democrats-20131120

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Re: Senate Goes Nuclear
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2013, 12:06:28 PM »
Yup, that's right:

Obamacare Delays May Create Election Bomb for Democrats

Some of Obamacare’s most damaging political narratives will be getting a fresh look right before next year’s midterms, thanks to delays in the law’s implementation.

Canceled insurance plans are the most obvious example. President Obama said last week that insurers can un-cancel certain policies for another year, a move largely designed to appease nervous Democrats. But a one-year delay simply means that cancellation notices will resume next October—just weeks before many of those same Democrats will face voters for the first time since voting to pass the Affordable Care Act.

And that’s not the only political threat lurking just ahead of the 2014 midterms. The White House also delayed the law’s employer mandate until 2015. That means employers will be deciding in mid- to late 2014 whether they’re going to offer health benefits under the mandate—and whether to cut employees’ hours to avoid providing them with health care.

“They’re concentrating everything in the fall of next year, and that’s a very dangerous time to be doing it,” said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a conservative economist who leads the American Action Forum.

The fact that millions of individual insurance policies were canceled this year was not a side effect of the Affordable Care Act; rather, it was one of the trade-offs required to make the law’s coverage guarantees work.

Those trade-offs can be politically difficult, but prolonging the issue until next year “just extends the pain for them,” Holtz-Eakin said. He was surprised that the administration and congressional Democrats didn’t simply bite the bullet now—a year before the midterms. He called it the “rip-the-Band-Aid approach.”

“This is one where, inexplicably, the wheels came off. They usually think through the politics of these things pretty clearly,” Holtz-Eakin said.

Still, although plans will have to be canceled again next October, there are reasons to believe the issue won’t be as damaging as it has been over the past two months. For starters, it’s not clear how many plans will actually be extended for another year. Several states have rejected Obama’s proposal, and insurers aren’t sure whether it’s worth the trouble to resurrect policies they have already canceled.

Consumers whose plans are canceled next year will also have a much easier time finding a replacement. Because HealthCare.gov, the primary Obamacare enrollment website, was functioning so poorly this year, consumers were seeing their plans canceled yet had no easy way to even find out whether they could get tax subsidies to help buy a new policy.

Jim Manley, a Democratic strategist and a former communications adviser to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Democrats’ anxiety over plan cancellations will subside if the administration meets its goal for fixing HealthCare.gov by the end of this month.

The impact of the employer mandate is less clear. Tracy Watts, who leads the national health reform team at the Mercer consulting firm, said employers generally firm up their health care plans by Labor Day, with some smaller firms waiting until October.

The biggest effect of the employer mandate, she said, will be on the roughly one-third of employers affected by the law’s definition of a full-time employee. Businesses must provide coverage to everyone who works at least 30 hours per week (not 40), a threshold most employers aren’t used to.

Republicans have already seized on anecdotal reports of businesses capping workers at 29 hours per week to avoid providing health care benefits. Mercer’s research suggests that’s not a common practice—only about 10 percent of employers say they’re considering capping workers’ hours instead of providing health benefits, according to the firm’s surveys.

“Most of them are planning to extend benefits to that segment of their workforce,” Watts said.

But Republicans surely will still attack Democrats over anecdotal reports of people having their hours cut. Some of the highest-profile anecdotes before the mandate was delayed came from partisan business owners who threatened to cut workers’ hours for political purposes, like the Florida restaurant owner who said he would cut workers’ hours and add an “Obamacare surcharge” to his customers’ bills.

Moreover, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is expecting deeper cuts than Mercer. The chamber’s surveys found that more than 20 percent of franchise owners said they have already replaced full-time workers with part-timers to avoid the coverage mandate.

Manley said he’s not worried about the employer mandate’s timing. The vast majority of employers already provide health insurance, he noted, and modestly extending those benefits isn’t a major change to the health care system.

“The Republicans are going to seize on everything they can, but I’m not so sure I see the employer mandate as a problem,” Manley said “It’s not a dramatic policy change. It’s something folks are comfortable with.”

This article appears in the November 21, 2013, edition of NJ Daily as Obamacare Delays Push Tough Issues Closer to Elections.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/obamacare-delays-may-create-election-bomb-for-democrats-20131120

problem is your base is dying off,   the old white people  :D

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Re: Senate Goes Nuclear
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2013, 12:08:20 PM »
problem is your base is dying off,   the old white people  :D

Sorry scumbag - even middle class latinos and Asians and everyone else getting wiped out by kenyacare is not amused

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Re: Senate Goes Nuclear
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2013, 12:10:52 PM »
Sorry scumbag - even middle class latinos and Asians and everyone else getting wiped out by kenyacare is not amused

Kenycare....yessssssssss .

The other issue with Obamacare is that...its called obamacare. This guy is such an idiot. Did anybody in his circle of ballwashers atleast try and explain to his galatic highness that if this goes bad, naming it after himself is not ever a good idea?
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Re: Senate Goes Nuclear
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2013, 12:11:40 PM »
Sorry scumbag - even middle class latinos and Asians and everyone else getting wiped out by kenyacare is not amused


good luck, your going to need it,it's going be fun to see the next nutjog the repubs run