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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #275 on: December 09, 2013, 09:48:57 AM »
 
read he was almost mute

The gentleman's mental capacity renders this potentially pointless, obviously, but would be great to get this cop on the grill - because SOMEONE is making shit up, and I sure hope it isn't the cop.

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #276 on: December 09, 2013, 09:49:12 AM »
How did you come to this conclusion?

Because he talked to the police about two hours before he was shot.

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« Reply #277 on: December 09, 2013, 09:54:21 AM »
Why?  They aren't the ones most likely to commit a crime using a gun.   How would sending them a message result is less street crime?
this wasn't a street crime,let's stay on topic.i have no problem with a home owner owning a gun to protect himself and his family,but what he did was take the law into his own hand,that's where you have to send a message

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #278 on: December 09, 2013, 09:59:06 AM »
this wasn't a street crime,let's stay on topic.i have no problem with a home owner owning a gun to protect himself and his family,but what he did was take the law into his own hand,that's where you have to send a message

What would sending them a message accomplish?  The vast majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens who have never broken a serious law or taken the law into their own hands.  Seems pointless.
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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #279 on: December 09, 2013, 10:03:44 AM »
Because he talked to the police about two hours before he was shot.

This particular interaction seems to have a few different descriptions attached to it, not always including an indication that Westbrook spoke.

So it's quite a mystery. Could it be the cop made a sloppy initial report on the subject?

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« Reply #280 on: December 09, 2013, 10:04:07 AM »
not talking about most gun owners, talking about idiots like himself.the ones that buy guns and think they're dirty harry

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #281 on: December 09, 2013, 10:16:26 AM »
This particular interaction seems to have a few different descriptions attached to it, not always including an indication that Westbrook spoke.

So it's quite a mystery. Could it be the cop made a sloppy initial report on the subject?

It's not a mystery.  If he was mute, I'm sure his wife would have said so and the cop wouldn't have said he talked to the guy.  The wife would have been all over the "false" reports about him talking to the cop. 

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #282 on: December 09, 2013, 10:19:39 AM »
It has been posted about ten times in this thread:

“In order to use deadly force, you have to reasonably believe you are in imminent danger,” said the Gwinnett County district attorney, Danny Porter. “You weigh whether the homeowner can show he was in fear of receiving death or great bodily injury.”

Okay - So the defense is that Hendrix believed he was scared of great bodily injury?  Is that the claim?

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #283 on: December 09, 2013, 10:21:31 AM »
It's not a mystery.  If he was mute, I'm sure his wife would have said so and the cop wouldn't have said he talked to the guy.  The wife would have been all over the "false" reports about him talking to the cop. 

So the fact that muteness is being WIDELY reported, is just misinformation, you'd say?

Could be, BB. Thanks.

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #284 on: December 09, 2013, 10:23:23 AM »
So the fact that muteness is being WIDELY reported, is just misinformation, you'd say?

Could be, BB. Thanks.

I don't know if it was been "WIDLEY reported."  I just know it contradicts both what the cop said and common sense. 

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« Reply #285 on: December 09, 2013, 10:26:37 AM »
I don't know if it was been "WIDLEY reported."  I just know it contradicts both what the cop said and common sense. 

Search: Westbrook mute

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« Reply #286 on: December 09, 2013, 10:27:27 AM »
...it seems to be universally reported, in fact.

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #287 on: December 09, 2013, 10:28:10 AM »
The sheriff is pumping this man for information.  They'll let him make repeated statements.  These will all be used against him in a trial.  If he chooses to lawyer up, they'll charge sooner.  The statements will have some variations eventually.  He'll exaggerate things, maybe.  He'll make it seem worse.  He'll change his story.  

Anyone can tell a good story ONCE... it's being able to recall the exact same recollection, 3 days later, that shows if a person is being 100% honest.   Zimmerman told a grander story every time, all while the police were playing nice "oh yeah, you're a brave hero bro, we just need to get this on the record for the DA..."

IF IF IF he is bullshitting, the stories will show that.  If the story remains unchanged, he's probably telling the truth.  Either way, I can "perceive a threat" when someone stares me down at a red light... I can't open fire.  It'll be interesting to see what kinda door it'll open if he walks because he killed something he coudln't even see because he perceived a threat lol






"He perceived a threat and that is why he fired his weapon," Wilson said. "He then came back inside and told the dispatcher he shot the man."

Walker County Sheriff Steven Wilson told ABCNews.com there was no doubt that Hendrix "perceived a threat" when he fired four shots at the elderly Alzheimer's patient. However the decision on whether to file charges will be left to the district attorney.

"It's a very unfortunate set of circumstances and we're just trying to gather the facts and the evidence," Wilson said.


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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #288 on: December 09, 2013, 10:32:34 AM »
I've seen reports that say the cop merely instructed Westbrook to "head home" due to his light clothing, and also that Westbrook used a hand signal to indicate where he believed he lived.

Would like to have some clarification, for sure.

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #289 on: December 09, 2013, 10:34:19 AM »
...it seems to be universally reported, in fact.

It's not universal, because I've posted about three stories in this thread that say the police talked to Westbrook.  

I did a quick search.  Here is one:  "According to The Chattanoogan, Westbrook didn’t respond to the commands Joe Hendrix issued to him because the Alzheimer’s disease had left him mute."  

http://hinterlandgazette.com/2013/11/mute-air-force-vet-ronald-westbrook-advanced-alzheimers-killed-ga-homeowner.html

I went to "The Chattanoogan" link from the story and it doesn't say any such thing.  

http://www.chattanoogan.com/2013/11/27/264495/No-Charges-Expected-To-Be-Lodged.aspx  

Not wasting any more time with that.  

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #290 on: December 09, 2013, 10:35:11 AM »
Who said you are "supposed to wait until police arrive"?  I don't think that's what the law requires.  

You wouldn't go outside.  That doesn't mean that is the "reasonable person" standard.  I'm not sure what I would do.  I might go outside too if someone had previously come to my house and threatened my wife, then a couple weeks later a stranger shows up at 4 a.m. and twice tries to open my front door, and the police don't immediately arrive.  

Pretty easy to be a MMQB.  Much harder to make decisions in real time.  

Based on the info you have at the moment, you stay inside.  That's the best thing to do.  Nothing to do with it being legal or not.


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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #291 on: December 09, 2013, 10:37:36 AM »
Based on the info you have at the moment, you stay inside.  That's the best thing to do.  Nothing to do with it being legal or not.



Is this just how you would handle it, or are you saying that's what a homeowner must do? 

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #292 on: December 09, 2013, 10:44:37 AM »
It's not universal, because I've posted about three stories in this thread that say the police talked to Westbrook.  

I did a quick search.  Here is one:  "According to The Chattanoogan, Westbrook didn’t respond to the commands Joe Hendrix issued to him because the Alzheimer’s disease had left him mute."  

http://hinterlandgazette.com/2013/11/mute-air-force-vet-ronald-westbrook-advanced-alzheimers-killed-ga-homeowner.html

I went to "The Chattanoogan" link from the story and it doesn't say any such thing.  

http://www.chattanoogan.com/2013/11/27/264495/No-Charges-Expected-To-Be-Lodged.aspx  

Not wasting any more time with that.  

I saw the stories you posted, BB. That's what made me question it.

Did you search Westbrook mute?

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #293 on: December 09, 2013, 10:46:40 AM »
Is this just how you would handle it, or are you saying that's what a homeowner must do? 

Must?  as required by law?  no.

However,the fact he left his house will factor heavily if charged .

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #294 on: December 09, 2013, 10:47:06 AM »
I saw the stories you posted, BB. That's what made me question it.

Did you search Westbrook mute?

I just answered that:  "I did a quick search."

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #295 on: December 09, 2013, 10:47:55 AM »
Must?  as required by law?  no.

However,the fact he left his house will factor heavily if charged .

Perhaps.  We shall see. 

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« Reply #296 on: December 09, 2013, 10:48:37 AM »
Perhaps.  We shall see.  

Yeah, real curious about this.


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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #297 on: December 09, 2013, 10:49:45 AM »
As I say, someone should have been working toward keeping this guy out of trouble. Somebody failed him.

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #298 on: December 09, 2013, 10:51:49 AM »
As I say, someone should have been working toward keeping this guy out of trouble. Somebody failed him.

Nobody failed him.  His wife did what she could to try and keep in in the house.  I understand not wanting to put him in a care home.  He just turned out to be a little more resourceful than she anticipated.  Nobody needs to be blamed for his death. 

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #299 on: December 09, 2013, 10:53:17 AM »
Nobody failed him.  His wife did what she could to try and keep in in the house.  I understand not wanting to put him in a care home.  He just turned out to be a little more resourceful than she anticipated.  Nobody needs to be blamed for his death. 

The guy that shot him does.