Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim

[tonymctones]

anyone in fear of their life (due to these previous factors and the handle jiggling) wouldn't have opened the door.

If you legitimately believe you're about to die by opening that door, you don't open it.   

The fear of death or grave bodily injury would have to begin the moment he stepped outside.  And I don't see how he felt that without even seeing who was out there.

what you refuse to understand is its not what his mindset was when he opened the door b/c that was a legal action

it is what was his mindset when he pulled the trigger....

obviously you dont get this b/c you are still harping about zimmerman following trayvon which is along the same lines.

[240 is Back]

what you refuse to understand is its not what his mindset was when he opened the door b/c that was a legal action

it is what was his mindset when he pulled the trigger....

obviously you dont get this b/c you are still harping about zimmerman following trayvon which is along the same lines.

His mindset when he pulled the trigger should then only include that part which demonstrated how scared he was.

"I was terrified for ten minutes" doesn't work - Cause you don't open the door if youre terrified.

"I was terrified for 2 seconds after I ordered him to lay down then he didn't listen" is far less jury-friendly.

His justification for ending a human life = this dude wouldn't lay down, and I was scared.  But not scared enough to stay inside

[tonymctones]

His mindset when he pulled the trigger should then only include that part which demonstrated how scared he was.

"I was terrified for ten minutes" doesn't work - Cause you don't open the door if youre terrified.

"I was terrified for 2 seconds after I ordered him to lay down then he didn't listen" is far less jury-friendly.

His justification for ending a human life = this dude wouldn't lay down, and I was scared.  But not scared enough to stay inside

again him going outside does not factor into the legal question, but you like Ozmo can believe whatever you want

[240 is Back]

again him going outside does not factor into the legal question, but you like Ozmo can believe whatever you want

Going outside makes it a very SMALL window of this oh-so-incredible fear. 

People who are shitting-pants scared don't leave their home to wander into the dark.  Rather, it's people who are a little scared, very mad, totally annoyed, etc - And that's not the mindset of a justifiable shoot.

You shoot when you REALLY fear for your life.

I don't believe this man ever truly feared for his life.  I doubt anyone here thinks he did. in fact, because he's a vet, because he's seen some shit in life, I bet he's MORE LIKELY to be cool under pressure.  So the shooting may have been a "I'm putting an end to this recent bullshit in this new house" kinda thing, making it quite illegal.

[Jack T. Cross]

Has anyone seen mention of any yard-light usage, etc.?

[tonymctones]

Has anyone seen mention of any yard-light usage, etc.?

I have not, i saw some pictures of the home though and it looks like a pretty secluded area. I think it was the last house on a cul de sac with it backing up to some woods.

[OzmO]

if we apply the knowledge gained after the fact he was never in imminent danger of death or bodily injury.

NOT THAT IT MATTERS B/C THATS NOT THE STANDARD OF LAW, BUT IF YOU WANT TO TRY AND SAY IT IS GO AHEAD.

To many articles and posts including numerous ones in this thread that specifically say otherwise but if you want to believe it go ahead bro.

.  I outlined all 3 parts, with the info known by hemdrix at the time, of this case in sequence and asked, as a reasonable person when during each step was he in imminent danger of death or injury and you have yet to answer saved that of saying he should stayed in thr house in another post. 

I am assuming you are a reasonable person, am i correct?




And yes the fact he left his house factors into this heavily

[240 is Back]

And yes the fact he left his house factors into this heavily

Some people think that won't hurt him... but it really does two things.  It speaks to motive, and state of mind.

Did he exit safety of house because he didn't want the person to get away?  Doesn't help any self-defense claim.  If his motive was to stop the bullshit he'd been going thru at the new house, well, he's going to jail then.

State of mind... you cannot claim you were extremely scared, so you unlocked door and wandered into darkness.  The extreme fear that led to shooting would have to start the moment he steps outside.  All that old shit had nothing to do with the old man.  He did one thing - knock/jiggle, and leave porch.  That's it.  All that other shit leading to this dude being trigger happy - these had nothing to do with him.

"He was freaked out cause of all the shit that happened in the last 2 weeks" - UM, has nothing to do with the shooting.  Realize this.  I can't over-react and waste some dude at McDonalds because I'd been bullied my whole life.  No, I'm only allowed to exercise force equal to the demand of that dude at that moment.  You can't punish old man because of what you went thru in the past weeks.

[OzmO]

.....  So a case can be made that a reasonable person who was actually scared would have never left his safe house that wasnt in the process of forced entry and his wife defeneless and as many who support hemdrix's innocence have he should have never left the house.   Interesting. Lol

[tonymctones]

.  I outlined all 3 parts, with the info known by hemdrix at the time, of this case in sequence and asked, as a reasonable person when during each step was he in imminent danger of death or injury and you have yet to answer saved that of saying he should stayed in thr house in another post.  

I am assuming you are a reasonable person, am i correct?




And yes the fact he left his house factors into this heavily

Answer the question ozmo

Do you get that he doesn't have to be in actual danger?

[tonymctones]

.....  So a case can be made that a reasonable person who was actually scared would have never left his safe house that wasnt in the process of forced entry and his wife defeneless and as many who support hemdrix's innocence have he should have never left the house.   Interesting. Lol

Leaving the house does not have bearing on the shooting, he may not have been in fear of imminent bodily harm when he left the house.

He still could have been when he shot the man...how do you not understand that?

[240 is Back]

.....  So a case can be made that a reasonable person who was actually scared would have never left his safe house that wasnt in the process of forced entry and his wife defeneless and as many who support hemdrix's innocence have he should have never left the house.   Interesting. Lol

He has to admit that "fear for his life", or whatever defense he will claim, had to begin AFTER he exited the house.  Because people that are so scared they're ready to fire - they don't advance from defensive position and engage targets OUTSIDE of their castle.

Those actions indicate something less than "last resort shooting" fear.  He advanced on his target, found him, gave an order, and fired.  That's how you take the ground in a foreign nation, but not how you defend your "yard".  

I bet this dude has given interviews every day this week... retelling the story every day as they decide to charge him or not.  He's trying to talk his way out of trouble, BUT giving statements that can be used against him in court.  

Oz, I'm baffled why responsible gun owners are defending this guy.  It's like car lovers feeling obligated to defend idiots that drive 150 mph on city streets.  They think if you don't support hendrix, you hate guns.  It's possible to separate the two.

[240 is Back]

Leaving the house does not have bearing on the shooting, he may not have been in fear of imminent bodily harm when he left the house.

He still could have been when he shot the man...how do you not understand that?

YES! !   AGREED!!

In this case, he will have to show what happened on that porch "Stop or i'll shoot... 1, 2, 3... BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM".

Why did an old man taking 2 or 3 steps toward him (at such a distance he couldn't see who he was) make him scared enough to shoot?   THAT is what he'll have to sell to the DA and maybe a jury eventually. 

As long as we aren't using that punk defense "but he was scared cause of what happened last week".... awful defense.

[tonymctones]

YES! !   AGREED!!

In this case, he will have to show what happened on that porch "Stop or i'll shoot... 1, 2, 3... BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM".

Why did an old man taking 2 or 3 steps toward him (at such a distance he couldn't see who he was) make him scared enough to shoot?   THAT is what he'll have to sell to the DA and maybe a jury eventually. 

As long as we aren't using that punk defense "but he was scared cause of what happened last week".... awful defense.

He wasn't on the porch he was on the side of the house where the old man had wandered to still trying to find a way into the house from what I read.

I agree that the previous situation with the man has little to do with the shooting thy night just like legally him leaving his house had nothing to do with the shooting

[blacken700]

can we read minds now,how do you know or anyone else know he was trying to find a way in the house. please tell us how

[tonymctones]

can we read minds now,how do you know or anyone else know he was trying to find a way in the house. please tell us how

Apparently we are bc all these people are saying he could to be in fear I bodily injury and was just pissed off
Jiggling the door knob is generally a pretty good clue someone is trying to get into the house....

[blacken700]

Apparently we are bc all these people are saying e could to be in fear I bodily injury
Jiggling the door knob is generally a pretty good clue someone is trying to get into the house....

no ,you said he was trying to find another way in,how do you know that .for all you know he could be looking for his cat he had when he was a kid.post a link where you read this

[240 is Back]

He wasn't on the porch he was on the side of the house where the old man had wandered to still trying to find a way into the house from what I read.

I agree that the previous situation with the man has little to do with the shooting thy night just like legally him leaving his house had nothing to do with the shooting

Respectfully, I think that hurts his case even more.  I didn't see the location in the article I read.

If he got on his feet and traveled 20 feet in pursuit of an unarmed old man and shot him... outside in the side yard... that's even worse for his cause.  If he was trying to pre-emptively prevent the man from looking for another entrance, that's some weak soup for a defense case lol.

"He jiggled handle and left my porch... I decided to go outside and subdue him, since I knew he wasn't trying to leave, but rather I somehow knew his plan to find another entrance.  It's looking less and less like a legit "I was scared" shoot, and more and more of a "some dude that's been terrorizing us for weeks was going to get away so I chased him down."

Is that what happened?  After 10 minutes of waiting for police to arrive - dude and his dogs were finally leaving?   And this dude, pissed the cops weren't there yet, didnt want the person knocking to get away? 

tony, side yard makes plenty of sense.  Didn't want him getting away.  No need to face the dude for 10 minutes - UNTIL HE IS LEAVING?  And "maybe he was looking for another entrance" is weak shit lol.

[tonymctones]

no ,you said he was trying to find another way in,how do you know that .for all you know he could be looking for his cat he had when he was a kid.post a link where you read this

yes he could have been looking for his lost imaginary cat...on the side of the house he was trying to get in to

[tonymctones]

Respectfully, I think that hurts his case even more.  I didn't see the location in the article I read.

If he got on his feet and traveled 20 feet in pursuit of an unarmed old man and shot him... outside in the side yard... that's even worse for his cause.  If he was trying to pre-emptively prevent the man from looking for another entrance, that's some weak soup for a defense case lol.

"He jiggled handle and left my porch... I decided to go outside and subdue him, since I knew he wasn't trying to leave, but rather I somehow knew his plan to find another entrance.  It's looking less and less like a legit "I was scared" shoot, and more and more of a "some dude that's been terrorizing us for weeks was going to get away so I chased him down."

Is that what happened?  After 10 minutes of waiting for police to arrive - dude and his dogs were finally leaving?   And this dude, pissed the cops weren't there yet, didnt want the person knocking to get away? 

tony, side yard makes plenty of sense.  Didn't want him getting away.  No need to face the dude for 10 minutes - UNTIL HE IS LEAVING?  And "maybe he was looking for another entrance" is weak shit lol.

I know you do bro, youre an idiot and I would expect nothing else

[240 is Back]

yes he could have been looking for his lost imaginary cat...on the side of the house he was trying to get in to

There is no evidence he was "looking for another way to get in".   That's a pretty big step to take... He could have been leaving.  You cannot shoot someone for standing in the side yard because you think they're looking for a way to get in.

The more I learn about the story, the worse this shooter looks.  He unlocked door, walked down porch into front yard, and had to go into side yard to shoot this guy?  LOL Self-defense and feared for his safety looking worse and worse. 

[tonymctones]

There is no evidence he was "looking for another way to get in".   That's a pretty big step to take... He could have been leaving.  You cannot shoot someone for standing in the side yard because you think they're looking for a way to get in.

The more I learn about the story, the worse this shooter looks.  He unlocked door, walked down porch into front yard, and had to go into side yard to shoot this guy?  LOL Self-defense and feared for his safety looking worse and worse. 

theres no evidence hendrix was angry, frustrated or had blood lust like you say either....

[240 is Back]

theres no evidence hendrix was angry, frustrated or had blood lust like you say either....

but i'm full of shit, and you're just thinking creatively?  

[tonymctones]

but i'm full of shit, and you're just thinking creatively?   

Wow irony goes over a lot of people's heads here doesn't it...

[OzmO]

Answer the question ozmo

Do you get that he doesn't have to be in actual danger?

You answer the questions I have been asking you.

Do you get a reasonable man wouldnt see himself in imminent danger or death in all 3 parts? And that the fact he left his house speaks volumes to that?

Danger is another subjective term.