Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim

[Jack T. Cross]

Wow...was looking at some stuff on this, and it is absolutely stunning how worthless our media has become. There are essentially no real reporters anymore. I don't know what you'd call it, but we're left with something that does NOT qualify as a news-reporting system. It is tragic.

[Jack T. Cross]

We're living in a time when the information presented to us becomes increasingly muddled, while the information taken from us becomes finely sharpened.

[240 is Back]

2) there was a confrontation between the two men,

A dude visiting a home where his girlfriend lived shot a dude in the side yard for not obeying his command.

Only in Georgia lol...

Honestly, in Iraq, in battle, that's how it would go down.  You locate the enemy unknown, you give an order to stop moving, and even if the language is different, if he advances, you triple tap him center mass and drop him.  On the other side of the world, he'd be fine doing it.  He was (probably) quite annoyed at police taking so long to arrive, went out there, and when the adrenaline kicked in, his training returned.  He handled it very much like one would in field, right? 

Maybe he's preparing the PTSD defense...which would throw the self-defense thing out the window.  Once we hear the 911 tapes, self-defense may have sailed anyway.

it's long past "tragic mistake"... traveled into side yard to give orders, fired on a shadow that didn't listen, and he didn't even live there...

[Jack T. Cross]

I want to know more.

[240 is Back]

Wow...was looking at some stuff on this, and it is absolutely stunning how worthless our media has become. There are essentially no real reporters anymore. I don't know what you'd call it, but we're left with something that does NOT qualify as a news-reporting system. It is tragic.

I like to think of the media voices as "shit stirrers".

They present the facts in a way that viewers are instantly swayed to choose a side.  FOX will call him a heroic veteran that tragically fired while protecting his girlfriend from a home invasion.  MSNBC will paint him as a bloodthirsty man with a new gun firing wildly into the bushes wearing an executioner mask while the old man cowered.

They design it so people are instantly tied to it - emotionally.  People loved or hated zimmerman.  Wasn't a lot of "eh, either way..."   This story will be the same.  People will end up defending Hendrix because they tie him to anti-obama, pro-gun fox news.  People will end up attacking him because they tie him to gun idiocy, pro-obama point of view.

MOST OF ALL - they keep watching  because they are now tied to it, emotionally.  They want to see if their side wins

I dislike the dude before he fired without seeing what he was shooting at, and he left safety to do it.  ANY time the police are en route, you let them do the job - they have training and tools and numbers and backup and the law on their side... this is just some sleepy, pissed dude screaming orders into a dark side yard at 2 am lol. Scared and confused with too little info and too much emotion, he reverted to training that was legal in Iraq and probably illegal here.

[Jack T. Cross]

Man, if someone can't see the attempts at power-shifting in this country, then I don't know whether to envy that person, or despise that person, or what the fuck.

Really can't believe half the shit I see these days. It just kills me.

[Jack T. Cross]

I like to think of the media voices as "shit stirrers".

They present the facts in a way that viewers are instantly swayed to choose a side.  FOX will call him a heroic veteran that tragically fired while protecting his girlfriend from a home invasion.  MSNBC will paint him as a bloodthirsty man with a new gun firing wildly into the bushes wearing an executioner mask while the old man cowered.

They design it so people are instantly tied to it - emotionally.  People loved or hated zimmerman.  Wasn't a lot of "eh, either way..."   This story will be the same.  People will end up defending Hendrix because they tie him to anti-obama, pro-gun fox news.  People will end up attacking him because they tie him to gun idiocy, pro-obama point of view.

MOST OF ALL - they keep watching  because they are now tied to it, emotionally.  They want to see if their side wins

Seems to me, this is one of the most intelligent posts regarding the media that's ever been on this forum. Very nice, 240. Good base, right here.

[Jack T. Cross]

When you think of the pure power of a sufficiently unified people, it shouldn't take much insight from there...

Common interests are seen as common interests FOR A REASON. From Straw Man to Coach, we share these ideas.

It takes quite the trickery bag to keep us sidetracked. Yet day in, and day out, we remain off course.

[tonymctones]

A dude visiting a home where his girlfriend lived shot a dude in the side yard for not obeying his command.

proof that they were not living there together or your a liar...

I guess we already know how this will turn out though....

[240 is Back]

proof that they were not living there together or your a liar...

I guess we already know how this will turn out though....

I was referring to a quote on this thread that said he kept another apartment and was just visiting.  I'm sure if it comes down to that, their story will be that he claimed residence in order to be "more legal" on an already shaky shoot.

But,

If you want to say it's legal to shoot someone in the side yard "if you live there" but not if you are just visiting, then that's a whole new (and potentially interesting) debate!

Can I shoot someone for trespassing in my neighbor's yard?
Can I shoot someone at my GF's yard if I sleep over 1, 2 or 31 times per month?  Interesting...

[tonymctones]

I was referring to a quote on this thread that said he kept another apartment and was just visiting.  I'm sure if it comes down to that, their story will be that he claimed residence in order to be "more legal" on an already shaky shoot.

But,

If you want to say it's legal to shoot someone in the side yard "if you live there" but not if you are just visiting, then that's a whole new (and potentially interesting) debate!

Can I shoot someone for trespassing in my neighbor's yard?
Can I shoot someone at my GF's yard if I sleep over 1, 2 or 31 times per month?  Interesting...

so you are lying once again....got it

thanks zimmerdousch 1.5

[Jack T. Cross]

Myself, I think a jury would be inclined to view them as partners in their domestic environment.

[tonymctones]

Myself, I think a jury would be inclined to view them as partners in their domestic environment.

irrelvant as there is no evidence they werent living there together

[Jack T. Cross]

irrelvant as there is no evidence they werent living there together

Tony, I'm saying that a jury would NOT be inclined to view their arrangement as some booty call, since the two are engaged, and presumably the woman, at least, is named on the the lease (on a newly-rented property). And by the way, every article I've seen so far has referred to it as "his property", so I'm not entirely convinced that he isn't on the lease, as well.

No matter WHAT the case is with his current legal residency, this was a domestic situation and Hendrix was rightfully trying to protect his fiance and himself. And, as the story stands right now, I agree with that idea.

[tonymctones]

Tony, I'm saying that a jury would NOT be inclined to view their arrangement as some booty call, since the two are engaged, and presumably the woman, at least, is named on the the lease (on a newly-rented property). And by the way, every article I've seen so far has referred to it as "his property", so I'm not entirely convinced that he isn't on the lease, as well.

No matter WHAT the case is with his current legal residency, this was a domestic situation and Hendrix was rightfully trying to protect his fiance and himself. And, as the story stands right now, I agree with that idea.

agreed and it still irrelevant

[Jack T. Cross]

agreed and it still irrelevant

If you'll bother yourself long enough to read the thread, Tony, you will see that it was suggested that somehow Hendrix wasn't necessarily within his rights, since his residency there is apparently questionable.

Do you get that?

[tonymctones]

If you'll bother yourself long enough to read the thread, Tony, you will see that it was suggested that somehow Hendrix wasn't necessarily within his rights, since his residency there is apparently questionable.

Do you get that?

and if youll read the thread you will see that there is no reason to question whether or not he was a resident there.

it was a statement without any source of truth and parroted by a retard....

[Jack T. Cross]

and if youll read the thread you will see that there is no reason to question whether or not he was a resident there.

it was a statement without any source of truth and parroted by a retard....

If he has a residence elsewhere, you can see where someone gets the idea. Right?

By the way, 24KT: Where did you get that info?

[Jack T. Cross]

One of Westbrook's dogs, a rottweiller, had laid down on his body to protect him and had to be physically removed, the sheriff said.

Such a sad story.

[tonymctones]

If he has a residence elsewhere, you can see where someone gets the idea. Right?

By the way, 24KT: Where did you get that info?

not really as they just moved into the house a few days earlier I think the better assumption would be that their prior lease overlapped with their new one....

and convict where did you get that info?

[Jack T. Cross]

not really as they just moved into the house a few days earlier I think the better assumption would be that their prior lease overlapped with their new one....

In that case, you could expect his name to be on the lease.

(But I haven't seen anything to say someone is trying to use this angle against him, anyway, except right here.)

and convict where did you get that info?

To be fair, there's no reason to believe she's ever been in any trouble. Not sure who came up with it in the first place, but it isn't good to spread stuff like that (and it is definitely unfair to her).

[Jack T. Cross]

Something of interest: The sheriff that said he "had no doubt" Hendrix was fearful, is in fact a friend of Hendrix.

Doesn't necessarily mean anything, but he probably should have been more careful against offering quotes like that.

[240 is Back]

Something of interest: The sheriff that said he "had no doubt" Hendrix was fearful, is in fact a friend of Hendrix.

Doesn't necessarily mean anything, but he probably should have been more careful against offering quotes like that.

Disagree - I think the sheriff may have been coaxing Hendrix into a sense of false confidence.  "We believe in you... keep coming in and re-explaining the situation...."

The moment the sheriff says "Oh yeah, he shot the fuccker and didn't have to", he lawyers up.

Also yes, I believe Hendrix was feeling some fear.  But I feel fear when my belly gurgles and I'm 10 minutes from home.  I feel fear when I see 2 dudes cross the street to intentionally be on my side.  I feel fear when I have some d-bag eyeballing me in the grocery store.  But not enough fear to shoot.

Hendrix will have to demonstrate that he feared for his life, bodily harm, SOMETHING to justify 4 bullets.

[Jack T. Cross]

Disagree - I think the sheriff may have been coaxing Hendrix into a sense of false confidence.  "We believe in you... keep coming in and re-explaining the situation...."

The moment the sheriff says "Oh yeah, he shot the fuccker and didn't have to", he lawyers up.

Also yes, I believe Hendrix was feeling some fear.  But I feel fear when my belly gurgles and I'm 10 minutes from home.  I feel fear when I see 2 dudes cross the street to intentionally be on my side.  I feel fear when I have some d-bag eyeballing me in the grocery store.  But not enough fear to shoot.

Hendrix will have to demonstrate that he feared for his life, bodily harm, SOMETHING to justify 4 bullets.

The two had a friendly history prior to this event, is what I'm saying.

[tonymctones]

Disagree - I think the sheriff may have been coaxing Hendrix into a sense of false confidence.  "We believe in you... keep coming in and re-explaining the situation...."

The moment the sheriff says "Oh yeah, he shot the fuccker and didn't have to", he lawyers up.

Also yes, I believe Hendrix was feeling some fear.  But I feel fear when my belly gurgles and I'm 10 minutes from home.  I feel fear when I see 2 dudes cross the street to intentionally be on my side.  I feel fear when I have some d-bag eyeballing me in the grocery store.  But not enough fear to shoot.

Hendrix will have to demonstrate that he feared for his life, bodily harm, SOMETHING to justify 4 bullets.

it sounds like he pretty much lawyered up right away