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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #750 on: December 26, 2013, 12:16:16 AM »
Westbrook was approaching Hendrix, as well (according to Hendrix).

All the more reason to get your ass back inside the house and shut your door.

Personally, I would have found the two ROTTWEILERS more of a threat than a shadow,
...but no shots fired at the dogs. Hmmm...

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By the way, when you say this:

How would you determine the one, without the other? (calling it a day...will check back later)


I mean "reasonable" as in the spirit of the word, rather than the strict technical definition of it.

ie: 333386's obsession with Obama is completely "reasonable & understandable."
His obsession is reasonable & understandable, but only in the 'strict technical definitions' of those words.

The reason is: he is a nutcase, and we all understand he's completely off his rocker.  ;D

However, when one looks at the 'spirit' of the phrase "reasonable & understandable", one could hardly say his actions are those of a rational, mature, and responsible adult given similar circumstances.

Sorry 333386, lol, no disrespect intended, ...just trying to provide an example all readers here can easily understand (in the strict technical definition of "understand") and your behaviour happens to be the most perfect example that immediately came to mind
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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #751 on: December 26, 2013, 09:27:31 AM »
All the more reason to get your ass back inside the house and shut your door.

Personally, I would have found the two ROTTWEILERS more of a threat than a shadow,
...but no shots fired at the dogs. Hmmm...

He shot four times, as you say (and hit Westbrook only once), so he may have tried to target the dogs, too. I wonder if anyone's asked him.

I mean "reasonable" as in the spirit of the word, rather than the strict technical definition of it.

ie: 333386's obsession with Obama is completely "reasonable & understandable."
His obsession is reasonable & understandable, but only in the 'strict technical definitions' of those words.

The reason is: he is a nutcase, and we all understand he's completely off his rocker.  ;D

However, when one looks at the 'spirit' of the phrase "reasonable & understandable", one could hardly say his actions are those of a rational, mature, and responsible adult given similar circumstances.

Sorry 333386, lol, no disrespect intended, ...just trying to provide an example all readers here can easily understand (in the strict technical definition of "understand") and your behaviour happens to be the most perfect example that immediately came to mind

Seems the idea is whether it was reasonable for him to fear someone walking toward him in the dark, after trying to enter his home, while (apparently) ignoring his commands to at least halt and show hands.

From his perspective, anything else (such as retreating) may have gotten him shot, as he was unable to determine what this person may be holding, etc. And beyond the obvious problems that come with being shot, it would place his fiancee in danger of being unprotected.

The fact that Hendrix should have associated leaving his house with a very sharp increase in risk for all potential dangers, is what complicates things (seriously: i'd like to know wtf he was thinking. if you look at who this guy is, it can't be dismissed as extreme stupidity...so, gee, wonder what it could be).

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #752 on: December 26, 2013, 09:48:40 AM »
"trespass".

It'll be interesting if this is hie legal defense.  I wish they'd hurry up and decide.  Message board members hate waiting ro months for answers we have decided within 30 seconds of skimming the story :)

Is this related to something Hendrix said about trespassing, 240?

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #753 on: December 26, 2013, 11:02:06 AM »
The man was NOT looking for his fiancé, he was looking for someone who did not live there, and who his fiancé did not know. Could have been a previous tenant? Could have been the wrong house?

Personally, I think anyone who is afraid of a knock on their front door, has no business renting a home.
Move into an institution, ...with padded walls.

You are correct.  The man was looking for some else.  Doesn't change the fact that an angry man was at their home, which is the reason he started keeping the gun there in the first place.  Also doesn't change the fact that the prior visit by an angry man influenced their mindset on the night of the shooting. 

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #754 on: December 26, 2013, 11:03:33 AM »
Whether or not his name is on the lease is a valid issue.

If someone were to have fallen and broken a limb on the property, his name on the lease would have implications. You can sue a homeowner, as well as a tenant, ...but someone cannot sue a man for negligence or failure to maintain by-law statutes... regardless of how many of his possessions were located within the property, or how many nights he spent there. He would have no legal obligation to maintain the property, and he would have no legal standing in a court of law.

No it isn't. 

Nobody fell and broke a limb on the property.  No lawsuit has been filed.  This is a criminal matter.  Your examples have absolutely nothing to do with what actually happened. 

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #755 on: December 26, 2013, 11:05:30 AM »
All the more reason to get your ass back inside the house and shut your door.

Personally, I would have found the two ROTTWEILERS more of a threat than a shadow,
...but no shots fired at the dogs. Hmmm...

I mean "reasonable" as in the spirit of the word, rather than the strict technical definition of it.

ie: 333386's obsession with Obama is completely "reasonable & understandable."
His obsession is reasonable & understandable, but only in the 'strict technical definitions' of those words.

The reason is: he is a nutcase, and we all understand he's completely off his rocker.  ;D

However, when one looks at the 'spirit' of the phrase "reasonable & understandable", one could hardly say his actions are those of a rational, mature, and responsible adult given similar circumstances.

Sorry 333386, lol, no disrespect intended, ...just trying to provide an example all readers here can easily understand (in the strict technical definition of "understand") and your behaviour happens to be the most perfect example that immediately came to mind

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.  You're calling someone a nutcase??  Seriously?   ??? 

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #756 on: December 26, 2013, 12:56:14 PM »
i think the sheriff used the word 'trespass' in a press conference. 

the minute this shoot is about firing on tresspassers in a residential area lol, hendrix is in trouble.

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #757 on: December 26, 2013, 02:45:58 PM »
He shot four times, as you say (and hit Westbrook only once), so he may have tried to target the dogs, too. I wonder if anyone's asked him.

It's not at all surprising that only one shot hit, ...despite his military background.

Because he was recklessly shooting at a bloody shadow!!!

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Seems the idea is whether it was reasonable for him to fear someone walking toward him in the dark, after trying to enter his home, while (apparently) ignoring his commands to at least halt and show hands.

No. It is not whether it was reasonable for him to fear Westbrook.
Was it reasonable for him to SHOOT Westbrook?
it wasn't Hendrix's fear that killed Westbrook,
...it was 1 of the 4 bullets Hendrix discharged from his weapon that did.

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From his perspective, anything else (such as retreating) may have gotten him shot, as he was unable to determine what this person may be holding, etc. And beyond the obvious problems that come with being shot, it would place his fiancee in danger of being unprotected.

The fact that Hendrix should have associated leaving his house with a very sharp increase in risk for all potential dangers, is what complicates things (seriously: i'd like to know wtf he was thinking. if you look at who this guy is, it can't be dismissed as extreme stupidity...so, gee, wonder what it could be).

It was a witches brew.  1/2 oz. of Napoleon Syndrome over ice, with a splash of paranoia, stirred with a Glock penis extender and voilà, one very lethal cocktail. Not so neat, and definitely didn't go down easy.
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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #758 on: December 26, 2013, 02:52:05 PM »
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.  You're calling someone a nutcase??  Seriously?   ??? 

Someone obviously hasn't read some of 333's more memorable posts.  ;D
...either that, or has selectively chosen to omit them from memory.  ;)
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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #759 on: December 26, 2013, 03:32:32 PM »
It's not at all surprising that only one shot hit, ...despite his military background.

Because he was recklessly shooting at a bloody shadow!!!

I'd like to know more about how he described that point in time...if he was even asked.

No. It is not whether it was reasonable for him to fear Westbrook.
Was it reasonable for him to SHOOT Westbrook?

it wasn't Hendrix's fear that killed Westbrook,
...it was 1 of the 4 bullets Hendrix discharged from his weapon that did.

To the degree that he could be expected to fear Westbrook, how would you separate the two?

It was a witches brew.  1/2 oz. of Napoleon Syndrome over ice, with a splash of paranoia, stirred with a Glock penis extender and voilà, one very lethal cocktail. Not so neat, and definitely didn't go down easy.

I think it's a tall stein of PTSD or something similar. Best thing that could happen to this guy, is to get it resolved.

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #760 on: December 26, 2013, 04:05:54 PM »
Someone obviously hasn't read some of 333's more memorable posts.  ;D
...either that, or has selectively chosen to omit them from memory.  ;)

I've read his.  And I've read yours.  My conclusion:  you are nuts. 

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« Reply #761 on: December 26, 2013, 04:23:56 PM »
I'd like to know more about how he described that point in time...if he was even asked.

To the degree that he could be expected to fear Westbrook, how would you separate the two?

Easily! I fear getting into the dentist's chair. I still do it, ...and I haven't shot him. ...yet.  ;D

Seriously tho I've been in a far more fearful situation, where someone attempted to abduct me at the age of 18
The high speed car chase that followed left no doubt he was trying to take me, and there were also a few previous occurrences that added to the escalated fearfulness of the  situation (which I will NOT publicly elaborate on) however, there were still options available that did not include taking the man's life.

In the end, it was a case of mistaken identity, which would not have gotten sorted out had we shot him.

A reasonable response to oncoming danger is to extricate yourself from harms way, ...not "Bush Bravado"

Ya... Hendrix was "SUCH A MAN" ...such a tough guy... "Bring it on!" blah blah blah ::)

It's real easy for a wimp to be tough when he knows he's got a gun, ...but it takes a wise, intelligent and REAL man to extricate himself and his girlfriend from a dangerous situation without having to resort to using his gun.

The use of lethal force should be a LAST RESORT, ...not the GO TO response.

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I think it's a tall stein of PTSD or something similar. Best thing that could happen to this guy, is to get it resolved.

You don't have to be short to have Megalomaniacal Napoleon syndrome. You see it in cops everyday
It can sometimes be understandable (in both senses of the word) but off-duty, it is straight up out-of-line!
The problem is far too many cops, and military types either refuse to, or are incapable of distinguishing between these two modes, or when in the line of duty, if it is even appropriate.

I saw first hand with my ex who was a cop. When he was on duty, he did his job with courtesy & professionalism. He's always maintained a clear head, and made many snap decisions that saved lives. Decisions, that had he chosen the alternative could have had very tragic outcomes. He left no doubt that he was the one in charge, but he did so with kindness, courtesy, and professionalism. Off-duty, he knew how to turn it off. He could turn it on in a micro-second if the situation called for it, ...but he knew the difference between being an on-duty public servant, and being an off-duty civilian, ...as well as his requirements and responsibilities in each role.

The damned Praetorians are getting out of line!
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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #762 on: December 26, 2013, 04:25:52 PM »
I've read his.  And I've read yours.  My conclusion:  you are nuts. 

You're entitled to your own opinions, no matter how inaccurate and misguided they made be.  :)
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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #763 on: December 26, 2013, 04:30:46 PM »
You're entitled to your own opinions, no matter how inaccurate and misguided they made be.  :)

This is true.  But I also remember the comments you made about Hugo's deceased mother.  Nothing I've read on this board rivals that craziness. 

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #764 on: December 26, 2013, 04:32:54 PM »
This is true.  But I also remember the comments you made about Hugo's deceased mother.  Nothing I've read on this board rivals that craziness. 

except for her endless spamming of gas pills and a tired cash for gold scheme

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #765 on: December 26, 2013, 04:34:32 PM »
You're entitled to your own opinions, no matter how inaccurate and misguided they made be.  :)
yes yes samson, everyone else doesnt get it...its only you who are enlightened

you dumb ass ::)

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #766 on: December 26, 2013, 04:36:10 PM »
yes yes samson, everyone else doesnt get it...its only you who are enlightened

you dumb ass ::)

no surprise the last three boyfriends she had committed suicide

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #767 on: December 26, 2013, 04:43:58 PM »
yes yes samson, everyone else doesnt get it...its only you who are enlightened

you dumb ass ::)

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #768 on: December 26, 2013, 04:47:26 PM »


oh, brother...that vest alone costs him any credibility...almost as bad as that pajama boy

stupid pyramid scammer

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #769 on: December 27, 2013, 01:36:07 AM »
oh, brother...that vest alone costs him any credibility...almost as bad as that pajama boy


Well if you hated his vest, ...I just know you're gonna love this other song of his.

It just gives me the warm & fuzzies!  :D

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #770 on: December 27, 2013, 08:33:21 AM »
any new developments in this case?


Because the debate is just getting stupid now.

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #771 on: December 27, 2013, 08:35:09 AM »
any new developments in this case?


Because the debate is just getting stupid now.

You're trespassing on this thread.  You have 2 seconds to apologize and lay on the ground before someone will tragically and mistakenly fire 4 rounds in your direction.

Ugh, I hate how long FL takes to decide these things.

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #772 on: December 27, 2013, 08:44:14 AM »
You're trespassing on this thread.  You have 2 seconds to apologize and lay on the ground before someone will tragically and mistakenly fire 4 rounds in your direction.

Ugh, I hate how long FL takes to decide these things.

FL?

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #773 on: December 27, 2013, 08:47:33 AM »
FL?

Don't try and confuse him with the facts.   :)

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #774 on: December 27, 2013, 09:00:30 AM »
FL?

ah that's right, I forgot it was a georgia shoot.  probably takes even longer there.