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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #775 on: December 27, 2013, 09:06:36 AM »
ah that's right, I forgot it was a georgia shoot.  probably takes even longer there. 



How long did it take in FL for the Zimmerman case?

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« Reply #776 on: December 27, 2013, 09:17:21 AM »
How long did it take in FL for the Zimmerman case?

3 or 4 weeks I think?  It had national attention.  But it wasn't during the holidays


My brother's case took 22 months to fully resolve... and they had the shooting on video.  They didn't catch one of the guys for a month and it took a year to get him sorted out and plead out. 

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« Reply #777 on: December 27, 2013, 01:37:56 PM »
Easily! I fear getting into the dentist's chair. I still do it, ...and I haven't shot him. ...yet.  ;D

Seriously tho I've been in a far more fearful situation, where someone attempted to abduct me at the age of 18
The high speed car chase that followed left no doubt he was trying to take me, and there were also a few previous occurrences that added to the escalated fearfulness of the  situation (which I will NOT publicly elaborate on) however, there were still options available that did not include taking the man's life.

In the end, it was a case of mistaken identity, which would not have gotten sorted out had we shot him.

A reasonable response to oncoming danger is to extricate yourself from harms way, ...not "Bush Bravado"

Ya... Hendrix was "SUCH A MAN" ...such a tough guy... "Bring it on!" blah blah blah ::)

It's real easy for a wimp to be tough when he knows he's got a gun, ...but it takes a wise, intelligent and REAL man to extricate himself and his girlfriend from a dangerous situation without having to resort to using his gun.

The use of lethal force should be a LAST RESORT, ...not the GO TO response.

You don't have to be short to have Megalomaniacal Napoleon syndrome. You see it in cops everyday
It can sometimes be understandable (in both senses of the word) but off-duty, it is straight up out-of-line!
The problem is far too many cops, and military types either refuse to, or are incapable of distinguishing between these two modes, or when in the line of duty, if it is even appropriate.

I saw first hand with my ex who was a cop. When he was on duty, he did his job with courtesy & professionalism. He's always maintained a clear head, and made many snap decisions that saved lives. Decisions, that had he chosen the alternative could have had very tragic outcomes. He left no doubt that he was the one in charge, but he did so with kindness, courtesy, and professionalism. Off-duty, he knew how to turn it off. He could turn it on in a micro-second if the situation called for it, ...but he knew the difference between being an on-duty public servant, and being an off-duty civilian, ...as well as his requirements and responsibilities in each role.

The damned Praetorians are getting out of line!

Damn, 24KT. I'm glad you got out of that unharmed. Whose identity was mistaken?

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #778 on: December 27, 2013, 03:33:51 PM »
How long did it take in FL for the Zimmerman case?

I suspect they have either already decided not to charge him, or they are presenting it to a grand jury (or have already done so).  Not really a complicated case in terms of what happened.  Only a handful of witnesses, who all appear to support Hendrix:  sheriff, fiancé, 911 operator.  Autopsy is done. 

Also, the media isn't tracking this, so we're less likely to see a press conference announcing a decision one way or the other.

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« Reply #779 on: December 27, 2013, 03:35:48 PM »
I suspect they have either already decided not to charge him, or they are presenting it to a grand jury (or have already done so).  Not really a complicated case in terms of what happened.  Only a handful of witnesses, who all appear to support Hendrix:  sheriff, fiancé, 911 operator.  Autopsy is done. 

Also, the media isn't tracking this, so we're less likely to see a press conference announcing a decision one way or the other.

sheriff saw the shooting?
911 operator saw it?
fiance was outside?

i don't think they are witnesses

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« Reply #780 on: December 27, 2013, 03:50:58 PM »
sheriff saw the shooting?
911 operator saw it?
fiance was outside?

i don't think they are witnesses

Sheriff observed his demeanor right after the shooting.  I posted a clip of him saying no doubt in his mind both of them were afraid, so yes he is a witness.

911 operator heard the fiancé's voice, so yes he or she is a witness.

Fiancé knew what was happening.  In fact, she's the only person who was there during the shooting, so of course she would be called as a witness too.

The more I think about this, the more, I doubt they'll charge him.  Would be very difficult to get a conviction IMO.  All three of those witness will say Hendrix and his fiancé were afraid.  Hendrix will say the same thing. 

But I also thought Casey Anthony would get convicted of something . . . .

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« Reply #781 on: December 27, 2013, 03:57:02 PM »
(a little background on hendrix...written before westbrook incident)

*

“Our nation had just been attacked. I was searching for a purpose in life and I wanted to do something about it,” Joe Hendrix explains of his life-changing path. After having a chaotic upbringing, he could have let it hold him back or cause him to settle for mediocrity.

But it was his hard work, determination and a supportive older sister that helped pave the way to overcome insurmountable obstacles.

When Joe was younger, his father suffered with alcoholism, which resulted in undiagnosed depressions for his mother. “My dad had a history of being abusive emotionally and when he drank – it just made it worse,” Joe admits.

Instead of having youthful dreams of being a police officer or fireman, Joe’s only aspiration was to have a better life. “There had to be something better than what my parents were living. I wanted to be influential and I wanted to matter,” he says.

Joe’s parents divorced when he was 15 and quitting high school was inevitable. The dysfunctional family had struggled but if it had been an easier life Joe may not have the fortitude he has now to make things happen. He felt he needed to get a job and “just get out”.

“My sister being 11 years older than me was a very big influence in my life. Stacy was about five steps ahead of me and she was able to encourage, guide me and give me direction. She helped me build confidence in order to go to college. We both had the same childhood but she had self-determination,” Joe declares.  

He moved in with his sister and worked in a retail sporting goods store. Stacy encouraged her little brother to take classes and study for his GED. “I was petrified to take the test. I was afraid I’d fail it and it would destroy my confidence and, I really did have dreams of going to college,” Joe insists. “Stacy told me to just go down there and take the test and see what happens. So I did and I passed it. I did fairly well at it – and that helped build my confidence,” Joe says.

He enrolled in Chattanooga State, but with his lack of education Joe was advised to take several developmental courses which did not go towards his degree. “I was looking at about two years of doing this before I would be on any kind of college level toward a degree. My ACT scores were very low. They measure your academic level to put you on a path so you can be stable academically for college courses,” Joe maintains.  

“Shortly after, I had about 20 hours of courses that did count toward my degree – and then Sept. 11th happened. That was an opportunity for me to enlist and I saw that it was something that was bigger than myself,” Joe reveals.

"I was positioned well because I was single, young and didn’t have any debt. I knew if I could join the military, not only could I help protect our nation but I could also get money for college,” Joe contends.

It was a struggle for Joe, having started off a little behind and trying to work full time and attend college. Joining the Army in 2002 put Joe on a path that would change his life.

“I knew I would end up going to Iraq or Afghanistan. I left for basic training and one year later I was given a permanent duty station in Washington state out in Tacoma and I left for Iraq in November 2003.

After a couple of weeks in Iraq, Joe became very ill and was hospitalized three months later. Packed full of medication and steroids, Joe was not getting any better and was sent to Germany for more tests.

“I didn’t want to leave Iraq. I knew that if I said something about being ill, that was what would happen. The thought of going through all this training and leaving my brothers and sisters behind was just not something I wanted to do.  I fought going to the hospital, but trying to hide my illness was going to cause more harm than good. I ended up having to get a medical discharge from the military,” Joe states.

Having his large intestines removed and multiple surgeries, it took about a year for Joe to completely recover.

In 2005 he moved back home to Ooltewah and applied with the Veteran’s Administration program. Instead of using the GI bill to finish college, Joe chose a rehabilitation program through the VA.

“This particular illness could have kept me from getting adequate employment. The VA is good to be supportive and put you in training – it meant a college degree for me. I went through the VA’s vocational educational program and they paid for me to go to Lee University,” Joe says.

“It was the first time in several years where I did not have an enormous amount of stress. After all the things I had been through, this was a time to breathe and focus on where it was that I wanted to go and how I was going to get there. I was able to go to school full time and just kind of decompress and take a step back from all that I had just been through,” Joe attests.

“In 2007 I got an internship on Capitol Hill in Washington with Congressman Joe Pitts’ office. I was able to use my military experience, be of some influence and work with the press secretary. That was probably one of the most life-changing experiences I have ever had,” Joe professes.

“This was an instant fit for me. I was introduced to a former staff for Joe Pitts named Ken Miller. Ken worked for the Congressman for nine years and was executive director of the electronic warfare and information operations association.

“He invited me to come over and help build public relations. While it wasn’t a lot of money it was a position. It was a contract job. It was a way for me to be connected to D.C. and to gain experience. I helped them set up a website and social media and helped develope some publications. Here I was still in college and I was building a real world experience,” Joe expresses.

“It was instrumental in putting me in areas I had never been before. I was going to meetings with three-star generals, and influencing legislation on Capitol Hill. This was literally life changing. It was a way of solidifying the fact that for the first time I was on a path that was so different than what my parents had been on."

His sister Stacy says, “I'm so proud of his accomplishments. He loves God, his family and his country. Joe just has a heart of gold.”

Just before Joe had gone to D.C. for the internship he went to Europe on a cross-cultural trip required by Lee University. “There was a period between the end of that trip and the beginning of me going to Washington to work on Capitol Hill, where I was not in school. You don’t get the VA money during the summer if you aren’t taking classes. I had to get a job, I had to get it fast and it had to be temporary,” Joe insists.

“The only thing I could find that would hire me temporarily was a little company in Chattanooga contracted with EPB,” Joe says and then smiles, “I am standing there with a hard hat on, making seven or eight bucks an hour by holding a sign that said stop and go - flipping it back and forth.  Then less than a week later, I am in a suit on Capitol Hill influencing a congressional office,” Joe laughs.

“I came out of that first meeting amused. One of the staff for Congressman Pitts asked me what I was laughing about. I said, ‘Do you know what I was doing this time last week?’ I told him that I was flipping a stop and go sign back and forth and now I am on Capitol Hill.’ I said to him, “I am having a moment… so let me just have my moment’,” Joe chuckles.

“When I worked with AOC, there was a flight simulator that I had an opportunity to fly. I am quite proud of myself because I landed on the aircraft carrier.  It’s an exact replica of flying the Boeing EA-18 Growler at Andrew’s Air Force base in Maryland,” Joe states.

When Joe got the job with AOC, graduating became difficult. “I was traveling back and forth to Washington, driving and flying, attending conferences throughout the nation to do the publications and the tasks they asked me to do. I would have graduated from Lee in two years, but it took me an extra year because I was working. I finally graduated and got a full time position in Washington, with a PR firm right on K Street," he said.

While working for the PR firm, Joe had the opportunity to go to the White House. “Our firm led, implemented and executed the Martin Luther King memorial dedication on the National Mall last October, project-managing it from beginning to end,” Joe says. “We had to work with the White House advance team, getting microphones and cameras set up, implementing security strategies …all those things," he said.

“Once again, it was one of those times where you step back and you just can’t believe that you’re doing this. You just realize all the hard work you put in and all the risks that you have taken. I was at the White House, standing in the back yard and I thought, ‘I’m invited to be here and the Secret Service isn’t going to tackle me!’  You look out at the gate and see people looking in knowing that – that’s going to be you again, but for right now - you are on the White House lawn!’ Joe exclaims, “It was one of the greatest moments.”

Joe was growing a bit leery of how expensive D.C. was and felt like it may be time for him to do something different.

“I saw online that Scottie Mayfield was considering running for Congress. Scottie is incredibly well known, he had a bio that is impressive and I thought this could be something good. I emailed Tommy Harper my resume telling him that I was in D.C. and I asked if he was looking for a communications director for the campaign,” Joe says. “I didn’t even know if I would get a response at all. Through a series of emails, Tommy wound up in D.C. after about two weeks. We had a good meeting and I felt good about being a part of it.”

Scottie lost to Chuck Fleischmann. After losing the race, Joe was asked by his peers if he would continue in politics. “I most likely will not get involved with politics similar to what I did with running a campaign. It was incredible but I saw things that were troubling to me in terms with how the game is played - and it is a game,” Joe admits. “It was tough to watch this wonderful guy that I had made an investment with continue to take a beating in the media for certain things fabricated and simply not true. It was tough to watch. Scottie handled it a lot better than I did.”

Joe then had an opportunity to be a political strategist with a firm but decided not to go that direction.

“After the campaign ended, I applied for a job with Area203 as a senior public relations specialist. I could tell immediately that I was supposed to be there and I think they felt the same way; it was just an instant fit,” Joe insists. He will begin this new endeavor toward the end of this month.

Proud of her brother’s achievements Stacy says, “Life is an ongoing adventure for him and he sees no boundaries toward reaching his goals.”

Looking back, Joe says, “When I was in basic training and that drill sergeant was in my face I knew that it was going to lay a foundation for the rest of my life.  And that is exactly what has happened. The last 10 years have been so incredibly intense – one wrong move and it could change your life forever. I was blessed enough to have a sister who supported me, guided me and put me on a path for success.”

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #782 on: December 27, 2013, 04:04:40 PM »
Sheriff observed his demeanor right after the shooting.  I posted a clip of him saying no doubt in his mind both of them were afraid, so yes he is a witness.

911 operator heard the fiancé's voice, so yes he or she is a witness.

Fiancé knew what was happening.  In fact, she's the only person who was there during the shooting, so of course she would be called as a witness too.

The more I think about this, the more, I doubt they'll charge him.  Would be very difficult to get a conviction IMO.  All three of those witness will say Hendrix and his fiancé were afraid.  Hendrix will say the same thing. 

But I also thought Casey Anthony would get convicted of something . . . .

Not where it really matters, at the shooting. 

I agree, i think the delay says they are not charging him.

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #783 on: December 27, 2013, 04:12:40 PM »
(a little background on hendrix...written before westbrook incident)

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“Our nation had just been attacked. I was searching for a purpose in life and I wanted to do something about it,” Joe Hendrix explains of his life-changing path. After having a chaotic upbringing, he could have let it hold him back or cause him to settle for mediocrity.

But it was his hard work, determination and a supportive older sister that helped pave the way to overcome insurmountable obstacles.

When Joe was younger, his father suffered with alcoholism, which resulted in undiagnosed depressions for his mother. “My dad had a history of being abusive emotionally and when he drank – it just made it worse,” Joe admits.

Instead of having youthful dreams of being a police officer or fireman, Joe’s only aspiration was to have a better life. “There had to be something better than what my parents were living. I wanted to be influential and I wanted to matter,” he says.

Joe’s parents divorced when he was 15 and quitting high school was inevitable. The dysfunctional family had struggled but if it had been an easier life Joe may not have the fortitude he has now to make things happen. He felt he needed to get a job and “just get out”.

“My sister being 11 years older than me was a very big influence in my life. Stacy was about five steps ahead of me and she was able to encourage, guide me and give me direction. She helped me build confidence in order to go to college. We both had the same childhood but she had self-determination,” Joe declares.  

He moved in with his sister and worked in a retail sporting goods store. Stacy encouraged her little brother to take classes and study for his GED. “I was petrified to take the test. I was afraid I’d fail it and it would destroy my confidence and, I really did have dreams of going to college,” Joe insists. “Stacy told me to just go down there and take the test and see what happens. So I did and I passed it. I did fairly well at it – and that helped build my confidence,” Joe says.

He enrolled in Chattanooga State, but with his lack of education Joe was advised to take several developmental courses which did not go towards his degree. “I was looking at about two years of doing this before I would be on any kind of college level toward a degree. My ACT scores were very low. They measure your academic level to put you on a path so you can be stable academically for college courses,” Joe maintains.  

“Shortly after, I had about 20 hours of courses that did count toward my degree – and then Sept. 11th happened. That was an opportunity for me to enlist and I saw that it was something that was bigger than myself,” Joe reveals.

"I was positioned well because I was single, young and didn’t have any debt. I knew if I could join the military, not only could I help protect our nation but I could also get money for college,” Joe contends.

It was a struggle for Joe, having started off a little behind and trying to work full time and attend college. Joining the Army in 2002 put Joe on a path that would change his life.

“I knew I would end up going to Iraq or Afghanistan. I left for basic training and one year later I was given a permanent duty station in Washington state out in Tacoma and I left for Iraq in November 2003.

After a couple of weeks in Iraq, Joe became very ill and was hospitalized three months later. Packed full of medication and steroids, Joe was not getting any better and was sent to Germany for more tests.

“I didn’t want to leave Iraq. I knew that if I said something about being ill, that was what would happen. The thought of going through all this training and leaving my brothers and sisters behind was just not something I wanted to do.  I fought going to the hospital, but trying to hide my illness was going to cause more harm than good. I ended up having to get a medical discharge from the military,” Joe states.

Having his large intestines removed and multiple surgeries, it took about a year for Joe to completely recover.

In 2005 he moved back home to Ooltewah and applied with the Veteran’s Administration program. Instead of using the GI bill to finish college, Joe chose a rehabilitation program through the VA.

“This particular illness could have kept me from getting adequate employment. The VA is good to be supportive and put you in training – it meant a college degree for me. I went through the VA’s vocational educational program and they paid for me to go to Lee University,” Joe says.

“It was the first time in several years where I did not have an enormous amount of stress. After all the things I had been through, this was a time to breathe and focus on where it was that I wanted to go and how I was going to get there. I was able to go to school full time and just kind of decompress and take a step back from all that I had just been through,” Joe attests.

“In 2007 I got an internship on Capitol Hill in Washington with Congressman Joe Pitts’ office. I was able to use my military experience, be of some influence and work with the press secretary. That was probably one of the most life-changing experiences I have ever had,” Joe professes.

“This was an instant fit for me. I was introduced to a former staff for Joe Pitts named Ken Miller. Ken worked for the Congressman for nine years and was executive director of the electronic warfare and information operations association.

“He invited me to come over and help build public relations. While it wasn’t a lot of money it was a position. It was a contract job. It was a way for me to be connected to D.C. and to gain experience. I helped them set up a website and social media and helped develope some publications. Here I was still in college and I was building a real world experience,” Joe expresses.

“It was instrumental in putting me in areas I had never been before. I was going to meetings with three-star generals, and influencing legislation on Capitol Hill. This was literally life changing. It was a way of solidifying the fact that for the first time I was on a path that was so different than what my parents had been on."

His sister Stacy says, “I'm so proud of his accomplishments. He loves God, his family and his country. Joe just has a heart of gold.”

Just before Joe had gone to D.C. for the internship he went to Europe on a cross-cultural trip required by Lee University. “There was a period between the end of that trip and the beginning of me going to Washington to work on Capitol Hill, where I was not in school. You don’t get the VA money during the summer if you aren’t taking classes. I had to get a job, I had to get it fast and it had to be temporary,” Joe insists.

“The only thing I could find that would hire me temporarily was a little company in Chattanooga contracted with EPB,” Joe says and then smiles, “I am standing there with a hard hat on, making seven or eight bucks an hour by holding a sign that said stop and go - flipping it back and forth.  Then less than a week later, I am in a suit on Capitol Hill influencing a congressional office,” Joe laughs.

“I came out of that first meeting amused. One of the staff for Congressman Pitts asked me what I was laughing about. I said, ‘Do you know what I was doing this time last week?’ I told him that I was flipping a stop and go sign back and forth and now I am on Capitol Hill.’ I said to him, “I am having a moment… so let me just have my moment’,” Joe chuckles.

“When I worked with AOC, there was a flight simulator that I had an opportunity to fly. I am quite proud of myself because I landed on the aircraft carrier.  It’s an exact replica of flying the Boeing EA-18 Growler at Andrew’s Air Force base in Maryland,” Joe states.

When Joe got the job with AOC, graduating became difficult. “I was traveling back and forth to Washington, driving and flying, attending conferences throughout the nation to do the publications and the tasks they asked me to do. I would have graduated from Lee in two years, but it took me an extra year because I was working. I finally graduated and got a full time position in Washington, with a PR firm right on K Street," he said.

While working for the PR firm, Joe had the opportunity to go to the White House. “Our firm led, implemented and executed the Martin Luther King memorial dedication on the National Mall last October, project-managing it from beginning to end,” Joe says. “We had to work with the White House advance team, getting microphones and cameras set up, implementing security strategies …all those things," he said.

“Once again, it was one of those times where you step back and you just can’t believe that you’re doing this. You just realize all the hard work you put in and all the risks that you have taken. I was at the White House, standing in the back yard and I thought, ‘I’m invited to be here and the Secret Service isn’t going to tackle me!’  You look out at the gate and see people looking in knowing that – that’s going to be you again, but for right now - you are on the White House lawn!’ Joe exclaims, “It was one of the greatest moments.”

Joe was growing a bit leery of how expensive D.C. was and felt like it may be time for him to do something different.

“I saw online that Scottie Mayfield was considering running for Congress. Scottie is incredibly well known, he had a bio that is impressive and I thought this could be something good. I emailed Tommy Harper my resume telling him that I was in D.C. and I asked if he was looking for a communications director for the campaign,” Joe says. “I didn’t even know if I would get a response at all. Through a series of emails, Tommy wound up in D.C. after about two weeks. We had a good meeting and I felt good about being a part of it.”

Scottie lost to Chuck Fleischmann. After losing the race, Joe was asked by his peers if he would continue in politics. “I most likely will not get involved with politics similar to what I did with running a campaign. It was incredible but I saw things that were troubling to me in terms with how the game is played - and it is a game,” Joe admits. “It was tough to watch this wonderful guy that I had made an investment with continue to take a beating in the media for certain things fabricated and simply not true. It was tough to watch. Scottie handled it a lot better than I did.”

Joe then had an opportunity to be a political strategist with a firm but decided not to go that direction.

“After the campaign ended, I applied for a job with Area203 as a senior public relations specialist. I could tell immediately that I was supposed to be there and I think they felt the same way; it was just an instant fit,” Joe insists. He will begin this new endeavor toward the end of this month.

Proud of her brother’s achievements Stacy says, “Life is an ongoing adventure for him and he sees no boundaries toward reaching his goals.”

Looking back, Joe says, “When I was in basic training and that drill sergeant was in my face I knew that it was going to lay a foundation for the rest of my life.  And that is exactly what has happened. The last 10 years have been so incredibly intense – one wrong move and it could change your life forever. I was blessed enough to have a sister who supported me, guided me and put me on a path for success.”

*

from here:

http://www.chattanoogan.com/2012/8/22/232546/z/Sports/Schedules-and-Scores.aspx

Good find.  So he must have a colostomy bag?  Makes it much less likely he would be able to handle a physical confrontation. 

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #784 on: December 27, 2013, 04:16:25 PM »
Not where it really matters, at the shooting. 

I agree, i think the delay says they are not charging him.

Before, during, and after matters.  For example, if the 911 operator said the fiancé sounded calm and the sheriff said Hendrix looked completely composed, then that would support an argument that they were not afraid during the incident.

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« Reply #785 on: December 27, 2013, 04:17:49 PM »
Before, during, and after matters.  For example, if the 911 operator said the fiancé sounded calm and the sheriff said Hendrix looked completely composed, then that would support an argument that they were not afraid during the incident.

You are not taking into account that there are different levels of fear/being afraid again

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« Reply #786 on: December 27, 2013, 04:22:41 PM »
Good find.  So he must have a colostomy bag?  Makes it much less likely he would be able to handle a physical confrontation.  

Yeah, it is interesting stuff. The whole thing is really something.

For a person with such a start in life, though (if the essence of the article is to be believed), he sure made some nifty connections along the way.

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« Reply #787 on: December 27, 2013, 04:24:32 PM »
You are not taking into account that there are different levels of fear/being afraid again

Sure I am.  Just talking about how the sheriff, 911 operator, and fiancé are all witnesses.  I understand not everyone reacts the same.  But here, the demeanor and voice of Hendrix and his fiancé apparently exhibited traditional signs of fear.  There are only a handful of people who could testify about it, and they would all say the same thing.

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« Reply #788 on: December 27, 2013, 04:27:06 PM »
Yeah, it is interesting stuff. The whole thing is really something.

For a person with such a start in life, though (if the essence of the article is to be believed), he sure made some nifty connections along the way.

I love it when people overcome those kinds of obstacles.  He'll probably need therapy to get through this.

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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #789 on: December 27, 2013, 04:28:43 PM »
Sure I am.  Just talking about how the sheriff, 911 operator, and fiancé are all witnesses.  I understand not everyone reacts the same.  But here, the demeanor and voice of Hendrix and his fiancé apparently exhibited traditional signs of fear.  There are only a handful of people who could testify about it, and they would all say the same thing.

fear is not black or white, on or off.  Further more, as how scared a person is varies so do does someone else's interpretation of how scared a person is.

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« Reply #790 on: December 27, 2013, 04:33:15 PM »
fear is not black or white, on or off.  Further more, as how scared a person is varies so do does someone else's interpretation of how scared a person is.

True, and if someone is able to see and/or hear a person either during or shortly after an event, they can describe whether or not that person appeared to be afraid. 

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« Reply #791 on: December 27, 2013, 04:34:43 PM »
I love it when people overcome those kinds of obstacles.  He'll probably need therapy to get through this.

He speaks about "an enormous amount of stress", in terms of "several years".  Again, this is (of course) from before the Westbrook incident.

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« Reply #792 on: December 27, 2013, 04:36:14 PM »
True, and if someone is able to see and/or hear a person either during or shortly after an event, they can describe whether or not that person appeared to be afraid. 

Even shitty lawyers would shred that.

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« Reply #793 on: December 27, 2013, 04:43:36 PM »
Even shitty lawyers would shred that.

Shred what?  Fiancé says she is afraid.  911 operator says she sounded afraid.  Sheriff says they both looked afraid.  So, what, call them all liars?

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« Reply #794 on: December 27, 2013, 04:48:55 PM »
Damn, 24KT. I'm glad you got out of that unharmed. Whose identity was mistaken?


I was about 17 or 18 at the time, and my boyfriend F and I had been out for dinner, and he was taking me home. Before he dropped me off we parked at the end of a dead end street in my neighbourhood and talked for a bit.

Next thing you know, this older man early to mid 40s or so pulled up parallel alongside us, literally less than 2 inches away from my boyfriends driver side door. We were surprised the cars didn't touch, it was that close. My boyfriend was unable to open his car door because there wasn't even 2 inches between the cars.

Understand, this was a huge very wide deadend street. It was a future main thoroughfare that had yet to be extended  There was no reason for him to be parking that close to us. He was clearly trying to box us in

The guy was behaving all weirded out, refused to even look at us, just kept his eyes straight ahead, and looking like he was on the brink of exploding. He pushed the button to lower his passenger side window, and with his eyes straight ahead, ordered me into his car.

My boyfriend looked over at him and said "She ain't going nowhere with you."  So the guy repeated himself, slower, more deliberately, and in no uncertain terms, made it clear he expected me to get into his car. The whole time, his eyes are glued straight ahead. He refused to even look at us as he spoke.

Then the guy kept saying "That's my girl, She don't belong with you. she belongs with me, and she's got 3 seconds to get out of that car, or I'm coming to get her."

My boyfriend F decided it was time for us to leave. As the mysterious stranger opened his door to come get me, F started the engine, slammed it into reverse, and in a spit second slid the car out from the narrow slot he had wedged us into. Our mysterious stranger jumped back into his car and started it up, and came after us. As F proceeded to back up, the stranger also reversed, and attempted to block us from leaving.

One thing he hadn't counted on was F's mad skillz behind the wheel. F could have been a trick stunt driver if he wanted to be. The only people I've ever seen capable of handling a wheel with as much skill & precision as him to this very day, are professional race car drivers and film stunt car drivers. F could drive better in reverse gear than most guys can in forward.

The guy tried to box us in with his car, so F couldn't turn the vehicle around. So he just said "Fuck It" and he peeled out of there in reverse.

He quickly decided he was NOT about to take me home, not with that guy in pursuit, but it was late and we were in a quiet suburban subdivision with no place open, ...and these were the days prior to cell phones.

There was no telling who this crazy guy was, what he was on, and what he was capable of, and with him chasing after us, there was no way he was going to lead him straight to my house. He could have been a nut job, ...or he could have been a "complication" of the extended family business

F decided to head straight to the police station, and took the quickest route which fortuitously was NOT the main road. It was a back road that was barely travelled at night, was riddled with pot holes, and had no streetlights or traffic lights. This gave us the added benefit of being able to speed like the wind without worrying about possibly crashing into other cars or a pedestrian, as well it lent us a bit of privacy and the cover of darkness in the event he caught up with us, ...and we might have had to ...put an abrupt end to the situation without prying eyes, or the need to answer a bunch of pesky questions.

F knew every bump and pot hole in that road, and was able to deftly avert every single one of them, in the dark, even in reverse. The mysterious stranger on the other hand had a rather difficult bumpy ride. LOL.

By the time we had enough headway on the guy, F was able to spin the car around, and we continued at top speed, only this time, in forward. The stranger was still chasing us, and he was pissed.

We were able to get back on to the main road, and ran every red light on the way. The stranger was still in hot pursuit, and he too was paying no heed to red lights. Thank goodness F had a very powerful engine in his car. The stranger could barely keep up, but he was hot on our heels and determined. We finally arrived at the police station during a shift change. We came barreling in like a bat out of hell, like the devil himself was on our tail, and F spins  the car into a  screeching 180 in front of the entrance. I jump out and run right past these dazed cops who are like WTF?!?! ...and seconds later they see another car come peeling into the parking lot, stop and the driver starts to exit. Then he turned himself around, saw all the cop cars lined up, realized where he was and hightailed it out of there.

The cops were like what's going on? They have cameras all over the parking lot as well as even approaching the lot, and the guy who watched the monitors took the whole thing in. We told them what happened, and since there were about 6 cops who grabbed his plates as he was trying to leave the lot, they immediately started investigating him based on that, since we couldn't tell them who he was or why he wanted me. They refused to give us his name or his address, but, that was information we wanted, We wanted to know who the heck he was, so at one point after I'd managed to calm down, my boyfriend distracted one of the cops, while I peeked at the sheet to get his name & address, ...again, just in case we weren't able to get a satisfactory resolution through the proper channels.

My boyfriend called his brother, telling him he needed to switch cars. So he had his brother drive up with a fresh car, we made the switch, and proceeded over to the guys house and set up a little surveillance of our own.

This guy had been so angry and so pissed off that I not only refused to get in his car, but that I also tried to get away from him, he was flipping mad.  And his busted up rims from chasing us down the back roads, didn't contribute anything positive to his mood either. He was like a bull, seeing nothing but red. He was so wired up, he hadn't even realized he had chased us right into a police station. When he came to his senses, and realized he had chased us into a police station, he hightailed it out of there,

He gets home, ...and first thing he did was grab a bottle. BIG MISTAKE!
Cause the cops are just about to pay him a little visit.

So we're out front of his house parked a discreet distance away observing what was taking place. There must have been at least 6 or 7 squad cars, the cops having smelled alcohol, have now got him walking a straight line, making him touch his nose, balance on one foot. The whole time all the squad cars have their cherries flashing and lighting up the quiet neighbourhood, spotlighting this guy on his front lawn for all his neighbours to see. They put him through the freaking ringer. We observed the whole thing parked up the street a discreet distance away in a different car.

It turns out our mysterious stranger had a teenage daughter was out past curfew, ...so he got in his car and went looking for her. When he saw us parked at the dead end, he thought I was her. And the reason he kept looking straight ahead and refusing to even look at us, was because he didn't want to possibly see his daughter, his baby girl, in a potentially "adult-like" situation. The reason he looked like he was about to lose it, was because he was about to lose it. It was bad enough she wasn't even suppose to go out, ...on a school night no less, but she not only defies him, and goes out, ...but she stayed out past her curfew, ...and here he catches her parked at a dead end, cuddling up with some strange man he's never met, ...but then she makes matters worse by refusing to get in his car, ...and runs from him. Making him chase her, banging up his car rims, and messing up his alignment in the process?!?!

He was half way out of his car, about to follow me into the station, when he got his first good look at me, and realized that I was NOT his daughter! It was only then that he realized, he had actually chased us into the police station. It all hit him all at once, ...and he decided to make a hasty retreat, but it was too late. The cops already had his license plates, ...and they were putting him through the paces. They put him through HELL!

I can laugh about it now. We were laughing about it a week after, ...but in the heat of the moment, neither I nor my boyfriend saw any humour in the situation.  Hilariously enough both he and my ex laugh about it to this very day. About six years later, my ex bought three houses on that street. One for him, one for his brother, and the third for his little sister. So now, they're neighbours, and laugh about it, ...but it all could have ended very differently.

I still to this day laugh my ass off when I just picture how much shit his poor daughter got in when she got home that night. I'd be willing to bet good money she never once broke curfew after that, ...by the time he finally let her out of the house that is. ;D
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Re: Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim
« Reply #795 on: December 27, 2013, 04:51:11 PM »
Yeah, it is interesting stuff. The whole thing is really something.

For a person with such a start in life, though (if the essence of the article is to be believed), he sure made some nifty connections along the way.

Those nifty connections could be the reason why charges are taking so long
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« Reply #796 on: December 27, 2013, 04:53:37 PM »
Shred what?  Fiancé says she is afraid.  911 operator says she sounded afraid.  Sheriff says they both looked afraid.  So, what, call them all liars?

Of course he was afraid. He had just shot & killed an elderly mute disabled vet with Alzheimer's.
If I had discovered I had fucked up so royally, ID be afraid too!
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« Reply #797 on: December 27, 2013, 04:55:16 PM »
Of course he was afraid. He had just shot & killed an elderly mute disabled vet with Alzheimer's.
If I had discovered I had fucked up so royally, ID be afraid too!

He wasn't mute.   ::)

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« Reply #798 on: December 27, 2013, 04:57:22 PM »


Shred what?  Fiancé says she is afraid.  911 operator says she sounded afraid.  Sheriff says they both looked afraid.  So, what, call them all liars?

fear is not black or white, on or off.  Further more, as how scared a person is varies so do does someone else's interpretation of how scared a person is.
You are not taking into account that there are different levels of fear/being afraid again

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« Reply #799 on: December 27, 2013, 05:04:50 PM »


The last 10 years have been so incredibly intense – one wrong move and it could change your life forever. I was blessed enough to have a sister who supported me, guided me and put me on a path for success.”

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from here:

http://www.chattanoogan.com/2012/8/22/232546/z/Sports/Schedules-and-Scores.aspx

That's for darned sure! I think one could say shooting a defenceless mute, dazed, confused, and helpless Alzheimer's victim could be considered a life-changing wrong move. It was certainly life changing for Westbrook
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