Stand Your Ground Law's Latest Victim

[Dos Equis]

What do you mean?

From the POV of Hendrix, the Police, State laws etc.?

I mean someone hearing a stranger trying to open their door at 0 dark thirty, calling 911, shooting the person who was trying to enter their home, followed by no criminal charges.  Why do you think someone would be charged if this same scenario happened somewhere else?  I don't even think it's a close call, which is why I'm not even sure this went to a grand jury.  And even if it did, the fact a grand jury didn't indict is a pretty strong indication that the shooting was justified. 

So not sure exactly what you are guys are doing, except saying law enforcement got it wrong (or right)?

[OzmO]

I mean someone hearing a stranger trying to open their door at 0 dark thirty, calling 911, shooting the person who was trying to enter their home, followed by no criminal charges.  Why do you think someone would be charged if this same scenario happened somewhere else?  I don't even think it's a close call, which is why I'm not even sure this went to a grand jury.  And even if it did, the fact a grand jury didn't indict is a pretty strong indication that the shooting was justified. 

So not sure exactly what you are guys are doing, except saying law enforcement got it wrong (or right)?

Tony doesn't think they got it wrong.  I do.

If the person was trying to enter the home by means of an attempted B and E, such as using a crow bar to pry open a door or window, yes i think shooting in self defense would be justified in almost any circumstance.  However, I am fairly sure in Cali, in that scenario Hendrix would be charged and i wouldn't agree with it.

But i don't see jiggling a door handle at any time of day as an attempted B and E. 

[Dos Equis]

Tony doesn't think they got it wrong.  I do.

If the person was trying to enter the home by means of an attempted B and E, such as using a crow bar to pry open a door or window, yes i think shooting in self defense would be justified in almost any circumstance.  However, I am fairly sure in Cali, in that scenario Hendrix would be charged and i wouldn't agree with it.

But i don't see jiggling a door handle at any time of day as an attempted B and E. 

I doubt there is a breaking and entering requirement for someone to use deadly force.  It's whether the person has a reasonable belief that they are about to suffer serious injury or death.  I'm pretty sure that's the standard everywhere.  And someone trying to open your front door in the early hours of the morning (before sunrise) creates a reasonable belief that an intruder is trying to enter your home.  And when all the other facts are added to that, you get the outcome we had with Hendrix. 

But there you go dragging me into this dead horse beating contest.  lol   

[OzmO]

I doubt there is a breaking and entering requirement for someone to use deadly force.  It's whether the person has a reasonable belief that they are about to suffer serious injury or death.  I'm pretty sure that's the standard everywhere.  And someone trying to open your front door in the early hours of the morning (before sunrise) creates a reasonable belief that an intruder is trying to enter your home.  And when all the other facts are added to that, you get the outcome we had with Hendrix. 

But there you go dragging me into this dead horse beating contest.  lol   

Zombie Horse, of course, of course....

[Dos Equis]

Zombie Horse, of course, of course....

Of course.   

[240 is Back]

Why do you think this scenario would play out any differently if it happened again someplace else? 

LOLZERCOPTER.

Yes, i'm sure in NYC, you could walk outside and fire into a disobedient silhouette, killing a disabled war vet, and you woudln't be charged.

The fact he lives in Georgia - the one place not called Tennessee that Floridians make fun of - speaks volumes.

[Dos Equis]

LOLZERCOPTER.

Yes, i'm sure in NYC, you could walk outside and fire into a disobedient silhouette, killing a disabled war vet, and you woudln't be charged.

The fact he lives in Georgia - the one place not called Tennessee that Floridians make fun of - speaks volumes.

Yes I'm sure you constantly just make stuff up, and that you never get tired of being wrong.  But you are quite the little trooper.   

[tonymctones]

I don't believe the Hendrix incident falls into this category.  I am pretty sure that wasn't the key to Hendrix being not charged.  I think it had to with him fearing for his life. 

It does if you continue to bring up that he went outside like that in some way bears any weight on his mindset when he shot the guy

B and E is a crime.  Jiggling a door handle isn't.  A door handle Jiggling  doesn't mean anyone is in danger.  Jiggling a door handle doesn't mean a person is trying to illegally gain entry into a house to commit a crime.

I think his "feeling" has to have some factual basis for it to be justified.  I don't think it was in this case.

So again, youre back to you have to wait someone actually acts on their intent before you can take steps to defend yourself?

The factual basis is the man did try and gain entry into his house, he would not respond to his verbal communication, he would not stop when he told him to (i believe hendrix even told him he had a gun)...Those are facts........

[tonymctones]

LOLZERCOPTER.

Yes, i'm sure in NYC, you could walk outside and fire into a disobedient silhouette, killing a disabled war vet, and you woudln't be charged.

yup b/c thats exactly what happend here

[240 is Back]

yup b/c thats exactly what happend here

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dude, come on.  BB is acting like there isn't variance from state to state.   If zimmerman caps Trayvon in NYC, does anyone think the outcome is the same?  lol

[tonymctones]

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dude, come on.  BB is acting like there isn't variance from state to state.   If zimmerman caps Trayvon in NYC, does anyone think the outcome is the same?  lol

legally it should be and all things being equal yes it probably would have resulted in the same outcome.

[240 is Back]

legally it should be and all things being equal yes it probably would have resulted in the same outcome.

So um, is there any variance in standards for justification of self-defense from state to state?

Things like "Stand your ground" exist in FL.  Does that exist in every state, or just 2/3 of them?

[tonymctones]

So um, is there any variance in standards for justification of self-defense from state to state?

Things like "Stand your ground" exist in FL.  Does that exist in every state, or just 2/3 of them?

stand your ground was never used as a defense in the zimmerman trial..............

[240 is Back]

stand your ground was never used as a defense in the zimmerman trial..............

his defense team said it would be.  on a thursday night.

then the author of the law said it wasn't related.

sunday morning, his legal team went on the sunday news to abandon it.

remember?


So while it wasn't used in court, his D team sure as shit put it into the public realm, giving bloomberg ammo to attack gun rights.  Repubs are just SO BAD at picking heroes lol.    Ah, zimm was such a bag of shit... it's just that most repubs hated trayvon worse.

[tonymctones]

his defense team said it would be.  on a thursday night.

then the author of the law said it wasn't related.

sunday morning, his legal team went on the sunday news to abandon it.

remember?


So while it wasn't used in court, his D team sure as shit put it into the public realm, giving bloomberg ammo to attack gun rights.  Repubs are just SO BAD at picking heroes lol.    Ah, zimm was such a bag of shit... it's just that most repubs hated trayvon worse.

so like I said, STAND YOUR GROUND WAS NEVER USED IN THE ZIMMERMAN TRIAL.

meaning, IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM BEING ACQUITTED.

[240 is Back]

so like I said, STAND YOUR GROUND WAS NEVER USED IN THE ZIMMERMAN TRIAL.

meaning, IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM BEING ACQUITTED.

it was sure used to influence potential jurors.

unless you think it was just an "accident" they leaked it then backed off it so fast?  lol

defense teams do this all the time to taint jury pools. 

[Archer77]

it was sure used to influence potential jurors.

unless you think it was just an "accident" they leaked it then backed off it so fast?  lol

defense teams do this all the time to taint jury pools. 

Those who disliked Stand Your Ground and wanted the law repealed contributed as well.   Many used the zimmerman  case as justification to repeal the law.  For them it was a "I told you so" moment they couldn't pass up exploiting.

[240 is Back]

Those who disliked Stand Your Ground and wanted the law repealed contributed as well.   Many used the zimmerman  case as justification to repeal the law.  For them it was a "I told you so" moment they couldn't pass up exploiting.

It was zimm's team that went on CNN and said he was going to use that defense.  He intro'd it.  It wasn't a liberal creation.  He did that.  Then the author went ballistic, said it was completely unrelated.  So the zimm team changed strategies.

Anyone who says "technically, zimm never actually USED it, so you can't blame him"... well, Technically, obama never actually signed any anti-gun legislation, so I guess you can't shit on him for that either, right?  Them's just words, right?

I have carried a gun since 97, and I GREATLY dislike the 'stand your ground' law.   The old way, duty to retreat, worked just fine.  Unless you have your back to a wall or there is immanent threat, you have a duty to take one step back.  If BOTH parties do that, 99% of gun battles are avoided.    It made it VERY clear who the aggressor was.

I dont get this insecure, pissy, puffed up, ILS-standing posture of "oh, I was just standing my ground."   It's a bunch of ego-driven fools who are too insecure to just take one step back and let a situation diffuse. 

[Archer77]

It was zimm's team that went on CNN and said he was going to use that defense.  He intro'd it.  It wasn't a liberal creation.  He did that.  Then the author went ballistic, said it was completely unrelated.  So the zimm team changed strategies.

Anyone who says "technically, zimm never actually USED it, so you can't blame him"... well, Technically, obama never actually signed any anti-gun legislation, so I guess you can't shit on him for that either, right?  Them's just words, right?

I have carried a gun since 97, and I GREATLY dislike the 'stand your ground' law.   The old way, duty to retreat, worked just fine.  Unless you have your back to a wall or there is immanent threat, you have a duty to take one step back.  If BOTH parties do that, 99% of gun battles are avoided.    It made it VERY clear who the aggressor was.

I dont get this insecure, pissy, puffed up, ILS-standing posture of "oh, I was just standing my ground."   It's a bunch of ego-driven fools who are too insecure to just take one step back and let a situation diffuse. 

I didnt say liberals created it but they took the ball and ran with it.

[OzmO]

It does if you continue to bring up that he went outside like that in some way bears any weight on his mindset when he shot the guy

I see him going outside as a indication that he wasn't that scared.  No forced entry.  Leaves his family from the safety of his house.

So again, youre back to you have to wait someone actually acts on their intent before you can take steps to defend yourself?

Yeah, otherwise innocent people get accidentally killed like in the Hendrix case.  But i don't think this to the extent some states see it...   Where for example you must practically catch them in the act of trying to kill you.  Also i don't believe some states will see an attempted B & E as NOT justification for shooting in self defense.  So i am not the guy you may be trying to make me out to be.   I see it somewhere in the middle of "step on my property" (trespassing) an i have the right to shoot you. (inbred retard thinking) vs. unless you are in the act of stabbing me you don't have the right use force to defend yourself.

The world is not black and white Tony.  

The factual basis is the man did try and gain entry into his house, he would not respond to his verbal communication, he would not stop when he told him to (i believe hendrix even told him he had a gun)...Those are facts........

Those facts are not near enough to justify shooting him.  And if you really think so, remember, an innocent man died that night.

[240 is Back]

I didnt say liberals created it but they took the ball and ran with it.

well, they are liberals.  it's what they do.   Zimm did gun owners a huge disservice by giving the left that kind of "ammo" to work with. 

All these gun owners were acting like zimmerman was some kinda hero or something.  he was a drunk.  he was a wifebeater.  he shoved a cop.  he voted obama.  he was reckless with a gun.  he lied to cops, and his own lawyer admitted it.  Finally, he invoked SYG in the media, giving the dems plenty of ammo to shit on gun legislation in all 50 states for years to come. 

Repubs love him because he shot trayvon.  Standing alone, zimm is a bag of shit and no repub here wants zimmerman on their block.  fighting cops, drunk, beating on women... he's a bag of shit.   But suddenly he shoots trayvon and now they want to give him a parade.

[Dos Equis]

well, they are liberals.  it's what they do.   Zimm did gun owners a huge disservice by giving the left that kind of "ammo" to work with. 

All these gun owners were acting like zimmerman was some kinda hero or something.  he was a drunk.  he was a wifebeater.  he shoved a cop.  he voted obama.  he was reckless with a gun.  he lied to cops, and his own lawyer admitted it.  Finally, he invoked SYG in the media, giving the dems plenty of ammo to shit on gun legislation in all 50 states for years to come. 

Repubs love him because he shot trayvon.  Standing alone, zimm is a bag of shit and no repub here wants zimmerman on their block.  fighting cops, drunk, beating on women... he's a bag of shit.   But suddenly he shoots trayvon and now they want to give him a parade.

I read this just for sh@$& and giggles.  You did not disappoint.     Pretty wild imagination. 

[240 is Back]

I read this just for sh@$& and giggles.  You did not disappoint.     Pretty wild imagination. 

Hey, the guy was a hero to some. 

A whole lot of celebrating when this wife-beating obama voter beat the rap.

[Dos Equis]

Hey, the guy was a hero to some. 

A whole lot of celebrating when this wife-beating obama voter beat the rap.

Everything you said was either embellished or outright false.  Tell the truth.  It's refreshing.  You probably look in the mirror and see Lou Ferrigno.  lol

[RRKore]

Everything you said was either embellished or outright false.  Tell the truth.  It's refreshing.  You probably look in the mirror and see Lou Ferrigno.  lol

And reflexively gives himself 20 dollars?