Sort of when I realized I would never have that certain look without steroids. BUT as natural you can still look good and put on some size especially if you just train to look good for the girls. As far as wasting time, I have stopped doing long volume workout and now just keep the short about 45 minutes. Also it's something I enjoy so its not a waste of time.
agreed can look good enough even as natty.
everythings better than skinnyfat, cept permabulker ofc.
and theres a release of brain hormones after training,makes one feels good.
and the reward,when looking good, you dont ever ask if its worth it.
and yeah always better spent than sitting at home self feeing chips and oreos,thu the further fall into the fatso depression.
whats wrong bout going to gym, seeing couple women there and fight bodily breakdown for 45minutes couple times weekly.