How high can you run Growth before...

[Big Chiro Flex]

You need to take insulin to balance out your blood glucose levels.

I know 4IU a day will even put your fasting BG levels in the high/normal range.

[ESFitness]

You need to take insulin to balance out your blood glucose levels.

I know 4IU a day will even put your fasting BG levels in the high/normal range.

2-4iu's puts most my clients in the 124-129 range. 80% or more are using norditropin pens.

I'd say that's the upper limit of where you'd want to be for blood sugar.

even running just a few iu's of Humulin R a couple times a day or 4-5iu's of long acting insulin (L,N,U, ect...) a couple hours after they morning GH shot would be a good place to start.

I'd prefer to keep the BG sub 115.

[Big Chiro Flex]

2-4iu's puts most my clients in the 124-129 range. 80% or more are using norditropin pens.

I'd say that's the upper limit of where you'd want to be for blood sugar.

even running just a few iu's of Humulin R a couple times a day or 4-5iu's of long acting insulin (L,N,U, ect...) a couple hours after they morning GH shot would be a good place to start.

I'd prefer to keep the BG sub 115.

Good post bro

[galeniko]

yes, you can feel things being weird even at 3-4ius.

bes tto measure glucose levels for yourself then youll know.

[Big Chiro Flex]

yes, you can feel things being weird even at 3-4ius.

bes tto measure glucose levels for yourself then youll know.

What do u feel exactly?

[macos]

Has anyone checked out the endocrinology book on Growth Hormone and blood.sugar?

[BigRo]

So one should run Insulin with Growth to prevent this?

[galeniko]

So one should run Insulin with Growth to prevent this?

well, mustnt with 2-3 ius.

i know ppl who ran 8ius wo slin(ppharma gh)who have had good results, but they eventualy started the slin.

now , if esf is talking about mgs per dl blood glucose, then it depends when one wants to have sub 115.thoughput day?spikes after meals?

and whats the goal as far serum insulin goes?in pmol/liter if possible?

chiro ,how can i describe?you feel like bloodsugar is really stabe,and then, boom, suddenly its not stbale at all.

btw in europe we use the bgluc parameter nmol per liter, but i can calculate it.

[OTHstrong]

So one should run Insulin with Growth to prevent this?

its a good idea but not that big of a deal, I know guys taking 15 IU daily of gh and do not use slin.

[macos]

You need to take insulin to balance out your blood glucose levels.

I know 4IU a day will even put your fasting BG levels in the high/normal range.

Chiro bro, how would you know what a good balance should be, especially for putting on mass or cutting. Are there any reference standards especially for atheletes?

[Big Chiro Flex]

Chiro bro, how would you know what a good balance should be, especially for putting on mass or cutting. Are there any reference standards especially for atheletes?

There are ranges for average people, not sure if that changes with athletes though. USMCDdoc would be a good guy to ask here.

I do know that the health effects are terrible if your glucose levels are in the high range though.

[Mawse]

need to measure your BG before making that leap homie

since most china product is lucky to be 50% potency you would need a lot more than 3-4ius of generic blues to seriously impact BG I'd think

Is it the gh itself causing it or the conversion of it to IGF-1 in the liver that affects the BG?

[Big Chiro Flex]

need to measure your BG before making that leap homie

since most china product is lucky to be 50% potency you would need a lot more than 3-4ius of generic blues to seriously impact BG I'd think

Is it the gh itself causing it or the conversion of it to IGF-1 in the liver that affects the BG?

Conversion may have something to do with it as well, but, I know without a doubt that GH will raise BG on its own, by it self.

[Overload]

I've used 10iu daily for extended periods with no issues.

I do believe that using Slin with GH is a good idea only if you know what you are doing.

However, i don't think it's required IMO.  I've used Slin off and on for a few years, but the BG levels i've had on 10iu wasn't enough to really be concerned about.

If you are trying to max out your gains then yes, by all means add some Slin, it's a great thing when used correctly.

[OTHstrong]

Ironically the one person I know who uses the most amount of gh at a whopping 54 IU per day, yes you read that correctly. Barely uses any slin

[BodyMachine]

10iu was my max, didn't run slin with it at the time. Will this time

[galeniko]

someone made a good point,its best to know if they ran chinese or pharma gh, its really not the same thing.

[OTHstrong]

someone made a good point,its best to know if they ran chinese or pharma gh, its really not the same thing.

54IU daily of pharm grade, that is why some people simply make me laugh when they don't believe the mega doses, this is not a joke or a play ground, this is full grown men that are freaks of nature and have compulsion problems

Point being if he is running that and not needing slin, I don't think anyone needs to worry about the imbalance

[ESFitness]

well, my only concern would be long term elevation in blood sugar from the gh.

will you notice any negative sides from blood sugar in the 130s/140s?... hell, even 160s?  hell, you probably won't really 'notice' or feel anything, but I still wouldn't want to be that high.. at least not if I can help it.

how many people running gh actually TEST their blood sugar? very, very few.. I think they'd be surprised to see what their blood sugar is throughout the day.

not saying you need to run 50iu's of slin/day... but enough to keep you sub-120 I think is a good idea.

or at least use some Glucophage and try to counter the insulin-resistance from the gh.

[Big Chiro Flex]

well, my only concern would be long term elevation in blood sugar from the gh.

will you notice any negative sides from blood sugar in the 130s/140s?... hell, even 160s?  hell, you probably won't really 'notice' or feel anything, but I still wouldn't want to be that high.. at least not if I can help it.

how many people running gh actually TEST their blood sugar? very, very few.. I think they'd be surprised to see what their blood sugar is throughout the day.

not saying you need to run 50iu's of slin/day... but enough to keep you sub-120 I think is a good idea.

or at least use some Glucophage and try to counter the insulin-resistance from the gh.

Yes this!!!

You may not even feel Constantly high BG levels. Kind of like BP, I can be a silent killer. I think it's important pay attention to this

[oni]

Wouldn't ketogenic dieting fix the blood sugar issues without having to take yet more drugs?

[OTHstrong]

Wouldn't ketogenic dieting fix the blood sugar issues without having to take yet more drugs?

You would think it would but the ketogenic diets definitely lower the benefits of gh IMO

[POB]

2-4iu's puts most my clients in the 124-129 range. 80% or more are using norditropin pens.

I'd say that's the upper limit of where you'd want to be for blood sugar.

even running just a few iu's of Humulin R a couple times a day or 4-5iu's of long acting insulin (L,N,U, ect...) a couple hours after they morning GH shot would be a good place to start.

I'd prefer to keep the BG sub 115.

If a client didn't want to use insulin. What would be your advice?

[ESFitness]

If a client didn't want to use insulin. What would be your advice?

advice would be to not be surprised at their blood sugar readings being in the 130's. lol

[macos]

Ironically the one person I know who uses the most amount of gh at a whopping[] 54 IU per day, yes you read that correctly. Barely uses any slin

Whoa!!