Dorian Yates doesn't believe in deadlifts off the floor, totally useless he says

[Grape Ape]

Stopped reading after "Westside Barbell"

Thanks...got it.   powerlifting "experts"   LOL.

Nah, dude, the Wendler system is good if your goal is to build up strength at a pace where you're not putting yourself at risk.

It's (author admitted) not a miracle program or anything, but a simple progression that actually has you cut back on your weights a bunch, and build it up over time.  It's just convenient to see the weight you need to do on the table, lift it, then get stronger then next.....

Obviously, gal's posts have merit if your just going for cosmetics........

[anabolichalo]

Nah, dude, the Wendler system is good if your goal is to build up strength at a pace where you're not putting yourself at risk.

It's (author admitted) not a miracle program or anything, but a simple progression that actually has you cut back on your weights a bunch, and build it up over time.  It's just convenient to see the weight you need to do on the table, lift it, then get stronger then next.....

Obviously, gal's posts have merit if your just going for cosmetics........

why do these turds bring up such programs in bodybuilding threads

[Conker]

so nasser agreed that maybe rack pulls have some point but deadlifts do not


then it's final, if dorian and nasser agree it means it must be true




they are some of the only pro bber who actually put some thought into what they are doing not just throwing around big weights


THANKS

So nasser who was known for having a lagging back said deadlifts are pointless so that confirms it

Yates said he didn't dead lift off the floor because it blows your waist out. well at what point did he stop pulling off the floor then? because he certainly ended up with a pretty hefty waist....

did anyone bother asking him what then was responsible for blowing his own waist out?

And your hero ronnie dead lifted , and his back didn't look too shabby did it?

i have to admit that there are deffo some better physiques than mine in this thread(yours is not one) agreeing with this theory that deadlifting is pointless etc, but i would be curious to see how many of those have good backs in comparison to the rest of their physique?

IME the vast majority of people that don't deadlift or squat will come out with a million justifications as to why it's pointless or how this or that one doesn't, but when it boils down to it 90% + just don't do it because it is actually physically harder and more demanding than all the other movements.

[Wolfsanglerune]

IME the vast majority of people that don't deadlift or squat will come out with a million justifications as to why it's pointless or how this or that one doesn't, but when it boils down to it 90% + just don't do it because it is actually physically harder and more demanding than all the other movements.




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This is what nearly everyone does with a lift they dont like or suck at.and honestly that all that is happening here.

[headhuntersix]

This retard asked what he should do instead of deadlifting because he has no idea how to work his lower back. He has no idea how to do anything but curl. I imagine he puts just as little into the rest of his life as he does avoiding hard training.

[Big Chiro Flex]

Light deadlifts and squatting is very good for spinal stabilization ie "good for your back."

A lot of geriatric patients would have much fewer back issues if they did body weight swuats and low weight deadlifts.

[headhuntersix]

Nobody said he had to become a power lifter...but exchanging drugs for a decent base is ridiculous.

[IceCold]

in dorians video blood and guts, he does full deadlifts...

[anabolichalo]

So nasser who was known for having a lagging back said deadlifts are pointless so that confirms it

Yates said he didn't dead lift off the floor because it blows your waist out. well at what point did he stop pulling off the floor then? because he certainly ended up with a pretty hefty waist....

did anyone bother asking him what then was responsible for blowing his own waist out?

And your hero ronnie dead lifted , and his back didn't look too shabby did it?

i have to admit that there are deffo some better physiques than mine in this thread(yours is not one) agreeing with this theory that deadlifting is pointless etc, but i would be curious to see how many of those have good backs in comparison to the rest of their physique?

IME the vast majority of people that don't deadlift or squat will come out with a million justifications as to why it's pointless or how this or that one doesn't, but when it boils down to it 90% + just don't do it because it is actually physically harder and more demanding than all the other movements.

nasser had a very good back but according to Milos he may have got nerve damage from injections in the back


lol at a nobody talking shit about a top olympia competitor in the most competitive decade of BB

[Henda]

in dorians video blood and guts, he does full deadlifts...

yes
if i remember correctly he pulls off the floor but stops a few inches shy of touching the floor on wach rep.

I also think he said he did this to keep the stress on the back, not cos of the waist issue.

[Tito24]

why do deadlifts anyway. i built a great back with lat pulldowns

[Big Chiro Flex]

why do deadlifts anyway. i built a great back with lat pulldowns

Why even do lat pull downs. I built a great back using nutrient timing and mind muscle connection from posing.

[Grape Ape]

Why even do lat pull downs. I built a great back using nutrient timing and mind muscle connection from posing.

Why pose?  I just wear heavy sweaters and take really deep breaths.

[Palpatine Q]

I do bent over barbell rows. I'm sure my lower back is getting worked.. and my obliques.

It's all broscience and people thinking of things that work for them... take Dorian stopping 6 inches above the floor on deadlifts. Does anyone here really think that makes a fucking bit of difference in the size of his obliques ? Like they weren't being worked during the rest of the deadlifting stabilizing his torso as he lifted 500 pounds  


It's all genetics. And response to drugs f you go that route.

[thebrink]

Yes, and when you dont build some foundation naturally, and go off gear, you will look like this:



Guys that are all drugs lose everything and look like Prince. At least if you build some muscle naturally, you will still keep something, even if you stop training.

This. When I see old weightlifters , guys 55+ with barrel chests and wide shoulders who have held thickness years after they stopped lifting or drastically slowed down, they are the ones who spend their lifting careers on bench deads and squats. They didn't get that thickness from pushups and cable exercises.

[Palpatine Q]

This. When I see old weightlifters , guys 55+ with barrel chests and wide shoulders who have held thickness years after they stopped lifting or drastically slowed down, they are the ones who spend their lifting careers on bench deads and squats. They didn't get that thickness from pushups and cable exercises.

How does either one of you know whether Tom Prince did or didn't build a "natural foundation". Seems to ke the kidney failure might be responsible for his drastic loss of muscle

[a_pupil]

What is this bullsheet about anabolichalo not having a base? Have you trolls not seen his nattie pics? He is also only on some low doses like 300mg test a week. At that dosage, he has a great physique.

no homo

[Grape Ape]

What is this bullsheet about anabolichalo not having a base? Have you trolls not seen his nattie pics? He is also only on some low doses like 300mg test a week. At that dosage, he has a great physique.

no homo

It's not even him, hth.

[thebrink]

How does either one of you know whether Tom Prince did or didn't build a "natural foundation". Seems to ke the kidney failure might be responsible for his drastic loss of muscle

Thats one example, and a drug addict at that , which makes me believe he was all drugs to begin with.

[Palpatine Q]

Thats one example, and a drug addict at that , which makes me believe he was all drugs to begin with.

So you don't know, you're speculating.

[thebrink]

So you don't know, you're speculating.

Yes, speculating on ONE example. That example happens to be a severe drug addict who only wanted temporary gains no powerlifting background ect.

Overall, you'll find I am correct. 

[Palpatine Q]

Yes, speculating on ONE example. That example happens to be a severe drug addict who only wanted temporary gains no powerlifting background ect.

Overall, you'll find I am correct. 

I think you're an OK poster so I won't get into it with you..but no, you are far from correct.

[local hero]

Nah, dude, the Wendler system is good if your goal is to build up strength at a pace where you're not putting yourself at risk.

It's (author admitted) not a miracle program or anything, but a simple progression that actually has you cut back on your weights a bunch, and build it up over time.  It's just convenient to see the weight you need to do on the table, lift it, then get stronger then next.....

Obviously, gal's posts have merit if your just going for cosmetics........

if you try and push more weight week in week out your putting your self at risk, with the best form in the world..

now this depends on where you are in your iron journey, anyone with more than a decade in the trenches shouldnt be chasing weights anymore

[thebrink]

I think you're an OK poster so I won't get into it with you..but no, you are far from correct.

All good, was just longing to piss someone off today so figured I'd fuck with you big guy   I can't prove what i'm saying obviously like you say i'm merely speculating, but I do think a lifetime of deadlifting will give more long term mass results than a lifetime of push ups.. Pure bro science.

[Grape Ape]

if you try and push more weight week in week out your putting your self at risk, with the best form in the world..

now this depends on where you are in your iron journey, anyone with more than a decade in the trenches shouldnt be chasing weights anymore

You are pushing more weight, week in, week out, but it's less than your max for the majority of the cycle..    There's also deload weeks every fourth week as well, using only 50% of your max.

And, I can't agree with your last statement - I train to maintain athletic performance, and getting stronger helps that.