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Re: Anti-LGBT Baker FORCED to bake cakes for Homosexual Weddings?
« Reply #375 on: July 13, 2015, 06:37:29 PM »
Did anyone really think they were getting fined 135K just because they didn't bake a damn cake?

Well... ok... we are talking about religious retards here.... so yeah, they probably did think that.  Obviously, the courts didn't
http://www.oregon.gov/boli/SiteAssets/pages/press/Sweet%20Cakes%20FO.pdf


And that gag order?  The violation of their First Amendment and religious persecution for not allowing them to talk about their beliefs?  Another bunch of bullshit that religious retards kept repeating without a clue.  The judge did not in fact bar the Kleins from talking about their beliefs, he only barred them from advertising that their bakery will not serve gay couples. Because, as we know, refusing service based on sexual orientation is against Oregon law.  So they can talk about their beliefs all they want.  They can post what their religious limitations allows them to do or not to phone on their FB page.  They can go on tv and talk about their "faith" and condemn gay people all they want.

But what they can't do is violate the state of Oregon discrimination law. 

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NOW, THEREFORE, as authorized by ORS 659A.403(4), and to further eliminate the effect of the violation of ORS 659A.403 by Respondent Aaron Klein, the Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor and Industries hereby orders Respondents Aaron Klein and Melissa Klein to cease and desist from denying the full and equal accommodations, advantages, facilities, and privileges of Sweetcakes by Melissa to any person based on that person’s sexual orientation.

NOW, THEREFORE, as authorized by ORS 659A.850(4), and to further eliminate the effect of the violations of ORS 659.A409 by Respondents Aaron Klein and Melissa Klein, the Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor and Industries hereby orders Respondents Aaron Klein and Melissa Klein to cease and desist from publishing, circulating, issuing or displaying, or causing to be published, circulated, issued or displayed, any communication, notice, advertisement or sign of any kind to the effect that any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities, services or privileges of a place of public accommodation will be refused, withheld from or denied to, or that any discrimination will be made against, any person on account of sexual orientation.

 




Indeed, I find it interesting that the supposedly 'religious' guy claimed in court that he did not realize the couple's personal information was on the document he posted, even though it was right above his info, lol.  The judge stated he wasn't credible and I think most would agree.  It was a nasty, vindictive attempt to get at them.

I also read the claim could've been higher, but the claimant was exaggerating the impact that was made on them, so the judge found her lacking credibility also.

What a fucking mess if you're a judge.


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Re: Anti-LGBT Baker FORCED to bake cakes for Homosexual Weddings?
« Reply #376 on: October 01, 2015, 11:03:55 AM »
Oregon bakery owners refuse to pay damages in gay wedding cake case
Published October 01, 2015
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The owners of an Oregon bakery are refusing to pay $135,000 in state-ordered damages to a same-sex couple who were denied service.

Melissa and Aaron Klein, owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa, cited religious beliefs when they refused to bake a wedding cake for Laurel and Rachel Bowman-Cryer more than two years ago.

The couple were awarded the damages in July by Labor Commissioner Brad Avakian for emotional suffering, saying the owners had violated the women’s civil rights by discriminating on the basis of their sexual orientation. They were also slapped with a gag order that prohibited them from speaking publicly about their refusal to participate in or bake wedding cakes for same-sex marriages.

The Kleins have filed an appeal of the ruling and are defying the order to pay. They’re claiming financial hardship although crowdfunding efforts have raised more than $500,000 on their behalf, according to The Oregonian.

"It's difficult to understand the Kleins' unwillingness to pay the debt when they have, very publicly, raised nearly a half million dollars," labor bureau spokesman Charlie Burr told The Oregonian in an email Wednesday. "They are entitled to a full and fair review of the case, but do not have the right to disregard a legally binding order."

A lawyer for the Kleins, Anna Harmon, told The Oregonian she couldn't comment about her clients' actions, citing the ongoing litigation.

The dispute goes back to January 2013 when Bowman-Cryer came into the shop with her mother for a cake-tasting appointment. However, Aaron Klein told the women that the bakery didn’t do cakes for same-sex weddings.

The Oregonian reports the couple complained to the labor bureau, which prompted a state investigation, four days of hearings and Avakian’s July ruling.

The Willamette Week reported that the Kleins’ lawyers asked Avakian to delay enforcement of his order while the Oregon Court of Appeals reviews the case. They reportedly said the payment would lead to “financial ruin.”

However, Avakian repeatedly rejected the requests, citing the amounts raised for the Kleins from crowdfunding websites. He issued his final rejection notice on July 27.

A 2007 Oregon law protects the rights of gays, lesbians, bisexual and transgender people in employment, housing and public accommodations. It provides an exemption for religious organizations, but the agency ruled that exemption does not allow private businesses to discriminate against potential customers.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Click for more from The Oregonian.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/01/oregon-bakery-owners-refuse-to-pay-damages-in-gay-wedding-cake-case/?intcmp=hpbt4

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Re: Anti-LGBT Baker FORCED to bake cakes for Homosexual Weddings?
« Reply #377 on: October 02, 2015, 05:53:14 AM »
good for them.
let 'em bake a ton of cupcakes for Freedom Works.
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Re: Anti-LGBT Baker FORCED to bake cakes for Homosexual Weddings?
« Reply #378 on: October 02, 2015, 11:56:45 AM »
good for them.  We need more white inmates to even things up a bit.. ;D
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Re: Anti-LGBT Baker FORCED to bake cakes for Homosexual Weddings?
« Reply #379 on: October 02, 2015, 11:57:57 AM »
good for them.  We need more white inmates to even things up a bit.. ;D

This is hilarious.....good job Vince !!! ;D ;D

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Re: Anti-LGBT Baker FORCED to bake cakes for Homosexual Weddings?
« Reply #380 on: December 29, 2015, 09:42:54 AM »
Costly beliefs: State squeezes last penny from bakers who defied lesbian-wedding cake order
By Todd Starnes 
Published December 29, 2015 
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Sweet Cakes by Melissa couple

Melissa Klein was checking her bank accounts just a few weeks before Christmas when her face turned ashen. The money was gone – every single penny.

Oregon’s Bureau of Labor and Industries had confiscated all the cash in Mrs. Klein’s checking account and savings account as well as a special account set aside for their church tithe.

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Yes, friends – the state of Oregon stole money meant for our Lord.

Mrs. Klein and her husband, Aaron, are devout evangelical Christians who own a mom-and-pop bakery – Sweet Cakes By Melissa.

In July, they were ordered to pay more than $135,000 in damages to a lesbian couple after they refused to bake their wedding cake. The Kleins objected because of their religious beliefs.

The judgment was awarded to the lesbians for “emotional suffering.”

Just a few weeks before Christmas, Labor Commissioner Brad Avakian wiped out the Klein family’s bank accounts – taking nearly $7,000.

Faced with a state-mandated 9 percent interest penalty, the Kleins opted to pay the disputed amount in full – turning over a $136,927.07 check to the government. That money, which was not in their bank account, was acquired through donations the family.

It was the price the Kleins had to pay for following the teachings of Jesus Christ.

“It was like my breath was taken away,” Mrs. Klein told me in a telephone conversation. “I panicked. Everything was gone.”

And, as I said before, Commissioner Avakian even seized money set aside for You Know Who. 

“We had three accounts,” she told me. “I have one account that’s labeled, ‘God’s money’ – our tithing. They just took it.”

Attorney Tyler Smith, who represents the Kleins, tells me his clients still plan on fighting the state’s decision – even if it means going to the Supreme Court.

“The least expensive option to stay in compliance with the law was to pay the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries funds that will be kept in a separate account until they prevail in their court appeal,” Smith told me in a prepared statement.

He said the couple had asked the state to hold off on collection attempts – but that request was denied.

“Aaron and Melissa will continue to work to ensure that every American has the First Amendment right to express their faith-based beliefs, and to conduct their daily affairs according to their conscience,” Smith said.

 Their trouble started in 2013 when Laurel and Rachel Bowman-Cryer asked the Christian bakers to prepare their wedding cake.

When Mr. Klein explained that they would not be able to prepare the cake, the women filed an anti-discrimination complaint with the state of Oregon.

 The state later determined that gay rights trump religious liberty – ruling that the Kleins had violated the lesbians’ civil rights by discriminating based on sexual orientation.

Oregon has a law on the books that protects the rights of gays, lesbians, bisexual and transgender people in employment, housing and public accommodations. It also prohibits private businesses from discriminating against potential customers, the newspaper noted.

The Kleins were also slapped with a gag order – banning them from speaking publicly about their refusal to participate in or bake wedding cakes for same-sex marriages, The Oregonian reported.

They were ordered to “cease and desist from publishing, circulating, issuing or displaying, or causing to be published, circulated, issued or displayed, any communication, notice, advertisement or sign of any kind to the effect that any of the accommodations, advantages, facilities, services or privileges of a place of public accommodation will be refused, withheld from or denied to, or that any discrimination will be made against, any person on account of sexual orientation.”

“Within Oregon’s public accommodations law is the basic principle of human decency that every person, regardless of their sexual orientation, has the freedom to fully participate in society,” the ruling states. “The ability to enter public places, to shop and dine, to move about unfettered by bigotry.”

On a side note here – I predicted that once gay marriage was legalized, LGBTQIA supporters would attempt to silence all dissent.

After the controversy, the Kleins had no choice but to shut down their retail store and move their business to their home.

Avakian has publicly stated his intentions to target Christian business owners who do not comply with the state’s way of thinking. Here’s what he told The Oregonian about Sweet Cakes By Melissa in 2013:

“The goal is never to shut down a business. The goal is to rehabilitate.”

I’ve never met Brad Avakian but he sounds like a pretty ruthless individual – a person who is using his office to bully and intimidate Christians.

Be warned, friends. In Oregon, gay rights trump religious liberty.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/12/29/bakers-forced-to-pay-more-than-135g-in-lesbian-cake-battle.html?intcmp=hpbt3

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Re: Anti-LGBT Baker FORCED to bake cakes for Homosexual Weddings?
« Reply #381 on: December 29, 2015, 10:04:21 AM »
It would have been so much easier for them to bake the dam cake and let God deal with the lesbian couple.

But no.

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« Reply #382 on: December 29, 2015, 11:25:32 AM »
It would have been so much easier for them to bake the dam cake and let God deal with the lesbian couple.

But no.

True.  Just as it would have been so much easier for the couple to go to a baker that actually wanted their business. 

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« Reply #383 on: December 29, 2015, 11:30:50 AM »
True.  Just as it would have been so much easier for the couple to go to a baker that actually wanted their business. 

Right. Because why should someone being open for business mean they actually wanted people's business ???

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« Reply #384 on: December 29, 2015, 11:37:38 AM »
True.  Just as it would have been so much easier for the couple to go to a baker that actually wanted their business. 

Who got hurt worse in the end?


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« Reply #385 on: December 29, 2015, 11:37:46 AM »
Right. Because why should someone being open for business mean they actually wanted people's business ???

Right.  Businesses never reserve the right to refuse service to people.  (How is that for sarcasm?)  :)

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Re: Anti-LGBT Baker FORCED to bake cakes for Homosexual Weddings?
« Reply #386 on: December 29, 2015, 11:38:51 AM »
Who got hurt worse in the end?



Obviously the couple who had all of their money garnished from their bank account. 

The lesbian couple got a nice windfall because someone refused to bake them a cake.  Better than the lottery. 

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« Reply #387 on: December 29, 2015, 11:39:36 AM »
"Yes, friends – the state of Oregon stole money meant for our Lord."

"It was the price the Kleins had to pay for following the teachings of Jesus Christ."


Todd Starnes is such a drama queen.

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« Reply #388 on: December 29, 2015, 11:53:14 AM »
Obviously the couple who had all of their money garnished from their bank account. 

The lesbian couple got a nice windfall because someone refused to bake them a cake.  Better than the lottery. 
Kind of stupid on their part

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Re: Anti-LGBT Baker FORCED to bake cakes for Homosexual Weddings?
« Reply #389 on: December 29, 2015, 11:55:40 AM »
Kind of stupid on their part

agreed....just give them the damn cake and curse them after they walk out the door like whats done to black people :D

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« Reply #390 on: December 29, 2015, 12:01:09 PM »
Kind of stupid on their part

I would ordinarily agree that it was stupid to make such a big brouhaha over someone refusing to bake you a cake, but they got six figures for the likely five minutes or so of their time they spent in the store, so it was worth it. 

If you're saying the bakers were stupid (yes, I know you were), then that is debatable.  I don't have a problem with people maintaining their convictions, even if there are adverse consequences. 

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« Reply #391 on: December 29, 2015, 12:58:07 PM »
  I don't have a problem with people maintaining their convictions, even if there are adverse consequences. 

that is some times called conscience and it ceases to exist when others have to pay the price of your conscience
In this case the bakers showed more integrity than the conscience pleading judge else where a few months ago
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« Reply #392 on: December 29, 2015, 01:05:56 PM »
Right.  Businesses never reserve the right to refuse service to people.  (How is that for sarcasm?)  :)

I think business have the right to choose their customers - as much as the customers have a right to choose which business to patronize.

But I still see little reason for a business - a for-profit entity that exists only to make money for its owners - to turn away paying customers. It just seems silly.

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« Reply #393 on: December 29, 2015, 01:11:53 PM »
that is some times called conscience and it ceases to exist when others have to pay the price of your conscience
In this case the bakers showed more integrity than the conscience pleading judge else where a few months ago


Yeah.  I agree. 

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« Reply #394 on: December 29, 2015, 01:14:26 PM »
I think business have the right to choose their customers - as much as the customers have a right to choose which business to patronize.

But I still see little reason for a business - a for-profit entity that exists only to make money for its owners - to turn away paying customers. It just seems silly.

Depends on the business.  I can see a variety of reasons why a business owner might turn away paying customers.  Maybe they want to serve a certain clientele.  You've seen the "no shirt, no shoes, no service" signs at some stores?  They are turning away paying customers.  Same with restaurants that have a dress code.   

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« Reply #395 on: December 29, 2015, 01:43:54 PM »
you seem to be (deliberately?) missing the point that the discrimination in this case is illegal (as in prohibited by law)

Anybody who seeks the protection of the law is in turn obliged to obey the law

Of course they may have wanted a certain clientele but they exhibited poor business acumen in the manner they conveyed that desire.

Years ago Ryanair was found to have broken the Equal Status Act 2000  as they actively recruited younger people. Had they advertised (as they did after the case) for fit active candidates for  demanding tasks they would have reached their  target audience  while remaining within the law

I'm not missing that point at all.  The law is the law.  You either obey it, work to change it, or disobey it and deal with the consequences. 

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« Reply #396 on: December 29, 2015, 01:48:29 PM »
I would ordinarily agree that it was stupid to make such a big brouhaha over someone refusing to bake you a cake, but they got six figures for the likely five minutes or so of their time they spent in the store, so it was worth it. 

If you're saying the bakers were stupid (yes, I know you were), then that is debatable.  I don't have a problem with people maintaining their convictions, even if there are adverse consequences. 

If its worth the 135K to them, good for them.    I can respect them for standing up for their beliefs, However, I doubt they apply all the "sins" in the Bible to who they do business with.  135K can put kids through college.

At the same time, i think its reprehensible and appalling that the lesbian couple sued and collected the money from those people.  

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« Reply #397 on: December 29, 2015, 01:57:29 PM »
If its worth the 135K to them, good for them.    I can respect them for standing up for their beliefs, However, I doubt they apply all the "sins" in the Bible to who they do business with.  135K can put kids through college.

At the same time, i think its reprehensible and appalling that the lesbian couple sued and collected the money from those people.  

I have no idea how they deal with other "sins."  Maybe they are consistent, maybe not.  I think donors paid the $135k so I doubt they sacrificed college tuition, etc., but I think they effectively lost their business.  Still a steep price to pay. 

We are turning into a nation of sissies and victims.  Not everyone who gets their feelings hurt, or is even the victim of discrimination, is entitled to a big payday.   

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« Reply #398 on: December 29, 2015, 02:50:52 PM »
I have no idea how they deal with other "sins."  Maybe they are consistent, maybe not.  I think donors paid the $135k so I doubt they sacrificed college tuition, etc., but I think they effectively lost their business.  Still a steep price to pay. 

We are turning into a nation of sissies and victims.  Not everyone who gets their feelings hurt, or is even the victim of discrimination, is entitled to a big payday.   

I know donors paid it.  But its still 135K that goes to someone else who didn't deserve it all because they refused to bake a cake and not let God deal with it.  Did they also break the law?

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Re: Anti-LGBT Baker FORCED to bake cakes for Homosexual Weddings?
« Reply #399 on: December 29, 2015, 03:05:22 PM »
Why is it ok to force someone to sell something?

Why do view fo a few get forced on the many?  SO wrong morally.

Let each go thier own way..

Buy a coke from local lesbian or goto walmart.  You don't have a right to anything but persuing your own interest.