Permacutting?

[Papper]

Natural leans are healthy and admirable.

[galeniko]

Shock, how many lifters in the gym do you know who are below 8% body fat? I can't think of one. People are delusional about body fat levels too.

we have many who walk around 6%  all year.

yes, true 6%.really shredded.


it really isnt soooo hard when on something all year.

infact all serious trainers in the gym are lean or shredded all year.even the competitors, they dont go higher than something like 10lbs over contest weight,few go up 20,but thats it.

the fatties are the ones with no idea what they do or the newcomers who lie to themselves,they dont want embarass themselves so they add bit safety fat as "size"

[galeniko]

btw lol that guy whos on all those fatburners all year is playing with fire.

if he dropped them, hed find out hed be about just as lean as long diet is more or less same, without the short and long term risks of fatburners.

[dustin]

btw lol that guy whos on all those fatburners all year is playing with fire.

if he dropped them, hed find out hed be about just as lean as long diet is more or less same, without the short and long term risks of fatburners.

I don't even take caffeine anymore. Stims aren't good. I used to love ephedrine but I feel like it swelled my prostate and probably put some strain on my heart. Always used low doses, but it's still something you don't want to fuck with. It's just not worth it. Cardiovascular health is more important than shredded abs. Just have to try hard and actually eat appropriately.

[galeniko]

I don't even take caffeine anymore. Stims aren't good. I used to love ephedrine but I feel like it swelled my prostate and probably put some strain on my heart. Always used low doses, but it's still something you don't want to fuck with. It's just not worth it. Cardiovascular health is more important than shredded abs. Just have to try hard and actually eat appropriately.

yes man, i remember from clen, efedrina,the following.

well the sweating ofc, then those weird finger tremors.

and the best, the heart, suddenly going off like a machinegun, for no reason, out of the blue sky, and then stops for a second, then goes back to normal, with occasional machiengun burts throughout the day.

didnt hurt, but i read later on this can be a close call every time.

and t3, well, if one takes too much,the neck is gonna terribly hurt.also feels very weird, gotta be on shitton of steroids or be very flat all the time.

and they make a difference of maybe 2-300 cals a day.not sure if thats worth it.

ok efedrina boost energy and shuts down apatite.this is very valueable

[dustin]

yes man, i remember from clen, efedrina,the following.

well the sweating ofc, then those weird finger tremors.

and the best, the heart, suddenly going off like a machinegun, for no reason, out of the blue sky, and then stops for a second, then goes back to normal, with occasional machiengun burts throughout the day.

didnt hurt, but i read later on this can be a close call every time.

and t3, well, if one takes too much,the neck is gonna terribly hurt.also feels very weird, gotta be on shitton of steroids or be very flat all the time.

and they make a difference of maybe 2-300 cals a day.not sure if thats worth it.

ok efedrina boost energy and shuts down apatite.this is very valueable

That's what I liked the most. I can fast with no stims. But fasting then taking ephedrine when you hit the wall makes you superman. But everything has it's price.

I HATED heart palpitations so I stopped for a couple years. Used it a bit when I was off everything because it's the poor man's GH and I could eat but stay conditioned with zero steroids. But having tried it on and off again, I realize this is dangerous stuff. I value my health too much. Steroids are fine and everything is always okay with AAS, but stims are dangerous and I know I can get by without them.

[phreak]

yes man, i remember from clen, efedrina,the following.

well the sweating ofc, then those weird finger tremors.

and the best, the heart, suddenly going off like a machinegun, for no reason, out of the blue sky, and then stops for a second, then goes back to normal, with occasional machiengun burts throughout the day.

didnt hurt, but i read later on this can be a close call every time.

Terrible feeling indeed. I remember being on a train once. I was taking clen at the time. Long-ass ride, and I'd just been sitting there chatting with my schmoe. Out of the blue my heart rate shot up insanely high, to around 160 bpm. Face flushed, sweating like a pig. A few minutes later it went the other way, and I nearly passed out, pale as a ghost and unable to stand up.

[dustin]

Terrible feeling indeed. I remember being on a train once. I was taking clen at the time. Long-ass ride, and I'd just been sitting there chatting with my schmoe. Out of the blue my heart rate shot up insanely high, to around 160 bpm. Face flushed, sweating like a pig. A few minutes later it went the other way, and I nearly passed out, pale as a ghost and unable to stand up.

I got heart palps bending over. When beta 2 receptors are stimulated, even when you're off ephedrine and clen it can still get the heart jumping and fucks up it's rhythms. That's just not worth it to me. Which one of those heart palps will be a deadly heart attack.

It would sure suck to die at the age of 30 because you bent over to tie your shoes and got a heart attack.

[Shockwave]

I wont touch any beta 2 stuff anymore.

I was a heavy IV meth user for a while and it seems to have made me permanently sensitive to stimulants... even small doses of ephedrine hit me hard and make me crave dope. I wont use them at all. Plus I just feel so much better dieting without that crap.

[dustin]

I wont touch any beta 2 stuff anymore.

I was a heavy IV meth user for a while and it seems to have made me permanently sensitive to stimulants... even small doses of ephedrine hit me hard and make me crave dope. I wont use them at all. Plus I just feel so much better dieting without that crap.

Glad to hear you're off of that. My dad brought over lots of tweakers and while I never did those types of stims, I certainly empathize. I know a lot who are in recovery and haven't touched stims in years, but they say even too much caffeine and get them feeling a bit tweaked out. It definitely changes your brain chemistry. All the best for kicking the habit, man.

[Alex23]

Glad to hear you're off of that. My dad brought over lots of tweakers and while I never did those types of stims, I certainly empathize. I know a lot who are in recovery and haven't touched stims in years, but they say even too much caffeine and get them feeling a bit tweaked out. It definitely changes your brain chemistry. All the best for kicking the habit, man.

X2.. interesting how it could change your receptors permanently, I would think the opposite, downregulate permanently like it does on dopamine receptors. Maybe it's more of an awareness.

dustin, what's your take on Adderall or Provigil?

[che]

we have many who walk around 6%  all year.

yes, true 6%.really shredded.


it really isnt soooo hard when on something all year.

infact all serious trainers in the gym are lean or shredded all year.even the competitors, they dont go higher than something like 10lbs over contest weight,few go up 20,but thats it.

the fatties are the ones with no idea what they do or the newcomers who lie to themselves,they dont want embarass themselves so they add bit safety fat as "size"

Gayleniko  what is my BF% in this pic ?

[bigmc]

I don't even take caffeine anymore. Stims aren't good. I used to love ephedrine but I feel like it swelled my prostate and probably put some strain on my heart. Always used low doses, but it's still something you don't want to fuck with. It's just not worth it. Cardiovascular health is more important than shredded abs. Just have to try hard and actually eat appropriately.

ive cut it all out

i was really tired initially but its gots back to normal

i have one cup of cofee a day no ephedra or other stims

[FitnessFrenzy]

dj181 is permacutting.

[Shockwave]

X2.. interesting how it could change your receptors permanently, I would think the opposite, downregulate permanently like it does on dopamine receptors. Maybe it's more of an awareness.

dustin, what's your take on Adderall or Provigil?

exactly. ... its weird. The longer I used/older I got, the less and less it took to get me fucked up.... this was in between uses, when I went back I was more sensitive. Obviously while using I built up a tolerance but after a period of abstinence, I found I was much more sensitive to low doses. This transfered over to any/all stimulants.

[dustin]

X2.. interesting how it could change your receptors permanently, I would think the opposite, downregulate permanently like it does on dopamine receptors. Maybe it's more of an awareness.

dustin, what's your take on Adderall or Provigil?

I can tell you have the privilege of not knowing any tweakers. Meth exploded on the West Coast but has seem to gone into remission. Either that or all the tweakers stay in crack houses. But I've seen lots of tweakers and even after stopping they are all wired the same. It fries the brain. Have you ever seen someone walk with the crack swing? Even after not using crack, stim addicts have tell tale mannerisms that are unmistakable. I can spot them from a mile away.

As for adderall and provigil I am VERY interested. I am slowly moving back towards going into school and if I could get a script for provigil I'm sure I'd make it through with ease. It seems like the lesser of two evils. I've tried adderall before (script) but was very negative and didn't like it. But in hindsight I think it was agreeable with me and I should probably give it another shot. I ended up leaving it in my locker at school and some junkies stole it, crushed it all up and snorted it (I never knew there was recreational value in them at the time).

I'm scatterbrained and if/when I go back to school I will definitely get a script. I've tried low dose provigil and it is absolutely amazing. My medical insurance covers it so I'd definitely take it for school. It feels like it just turns off the lazy button in your brain and you're unrestrained. No tweaky feeling at all. I don't even like too much coffee anymore.

[nasum]

DNP dude.

It ain't bug spray. It's a phenol compound used to ignite dynamite (or was used for that purpose).

It's an excellent cutting tool but it needs to be combined with a low dose anabolic (at the very least), or it will chew into muscle very rapidly as it has no intrinsic anti-catabolic properties and causes a rather extreme increase in metabolic rate (up to 75%). The side effects at any dose greater than 250mg are also incredibly harsh.

Clenbuterol is by far the best cutting drug imo. It is cardiotoxic (likely to accelerate collagenous remodelling of the ventricles) but you can extinguish the negative effect on the heart by taking a beta-1 selective antagonist such as metoprolol or carvedilol.

[phreak]

X2.. interesting how it could change your receptors permanently, I would think the opposite, downregulate permanently like it does on dopamine receptors. Maybe it's more of an awareness.

dustin, what's your take on Adderall or Provigil?

Don't know if it is just awareness. These days I've also cut out all caffeine, as anything over 2 glasses of diet coke fuck me up for the entire day, and wreak havoc with my sleep that night. And yes, long ago I was snorting up to a gram of Colombian aspirin per hour. You'd think my receptors, like my nasal membranes, would have long since beem burned away.


Shit, I get quite buzzed from a single cigar these days... 

[phreak]

I can tell you have the privilege of not knowing any tweakers. Meth exploded on the West Coast but has seem to gone into remission. Either that or all the tweakers stay in crack houses. But I've seen lots of tweakers and even after stopping they are all wired the same. It fries the brain. Have you ever seen someone walk with the crack swing? Even after not using crack, stim addicts have tell tale mannerisms that are unmistakable. I can spot them from a mile away.

I call it the 'falling forward walk'. As if every step they take is the one right after tripping over a crack in the pavement.

[dustin]

I call it the 'falling forward walk'. As if every step they take is the one right after tripping over a crack in the pavement.

We call it the crack swing here. Usually doing the falling forward walk with one arm swinging violently like they've got some place to go.

One thing they do got going for them is the epic leans. Sometimes I see those cheekbones and jawlines and think fuck, that's manly. Maybe I should disappear for a month and get cracked out for the epic leans.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Is there such a thing? A friend of mine is constantly on clen and/or ECA, amphetamine etc..

Even considers that bug spray shit, forgot the name. It's been like over a year. He's pretty cut but when does it end?

Body dysmorphia of Peace?

lol.  You don't have friends

[wes]

I never got into any of that fatburning crapola.

I just eat clean with portion control, and plenty of water to get lean.

One cheat meal middle of the week,and one full fledged cheat day on one of the weekend days.

Too easy.

I do however take 1-2 Bronkaid tabs before training as I train early......just for the boost,not for fat burning and once I get immune to them,I discard them for months until I feel them again.

[wes]

Gayleniko  what is my BF% in this pic ?

Between 6-7 % but holding some water.

[dustin]

DNP dude.

It ain't bug spray. It's a phenol compound used to ignite dynamite (or was used for that purpose).

It's an excellent cutting tool but it needs to be combined with a low dose anabolic (at the very least), or it will chew into muscle very rapidly as it has no intrinsic anti-catabolic properties and causes a rather extreme increase in metabolic rate (up to 75%). The side effects at any dose greater than 250mg are also incredibly harsh.

Clenbuterol is by far the best cutting drug imo. It is cardiotoxic (likely to accelerate collagenous remodelling of the ventricles) but you can extinguish the negative effect on the heart by taking a beta-1 selective antagonist such as metoprolol or carvedilol.

Does anyone have the texts from concillator. He was a DNP authority but disappeared. He shed a different light on it, setting aside all of the emotional bullshit that people cry about. It seems like a miserable burner to  take, but if you can invest a couple weeks into doing it then it'll peel off fat like nothing else.

My friend ran it and got amazingly peeled. But he was so tired he couldn't even walk around the block. I saw his green/yellow t-shirts from the cycle too. Looked like he washed his shirts with a highlighter.

[galeniko]

Gayleniko  what is my BF% in this pic ?

something 6-8.

hard to tell bc of the steroid bloat,bro