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« Reply #125 on: March 19, 2014, 06:30:26 AM »

Preferring opinion and belief over provable facts.  Shocker, eh?

Conviction of opinion and belief often comes at the ignorance of facts and common sense.
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« Reply #126 on: March 19, 2014, 06:36:03 AM »

Conviction of opinion and belief often comes at the ignorance of facts and common sense.

LOL - obamacare


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« Reply #127 on: March 19, 2014, 10:30:31 AM »

Preferring opinion and belief over provable facts.  Shocker, eh?

Not at all Simpleton Simon. 
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« Reply #128 on: March 19, 2014, 11:18:38 AM »

LOL - obamacare


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I was unaware that any GOP candidates had anything to do with Obamacare.  This thread is about GOP candidates.  What are you whining and crying about now?
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« Reply #129 on: March 19, 2014, 11:20:50 AM »

I was unaware that any GOP candidates had anything to do with Obamacare.  This thread is about GOP candidates.  What are you whining and crying about now?

Obama's NCAA bracket and MoBacca flying off to China on our dime to go hook up w foo man choo and whoever. 
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« Reply #130 on: March 19, 2014, 12:23:12 PM »

Obama's NCAA bracket and MoBacca flying off to China on our dime to go hook up w foo man choo and whoever. 
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« Reply #131 on: March 26, 2014, 11:40:57 AM »

Wide open.  Looks like Fat Man is dropping some tonnage. 

The invisible primary: GOP preps as Chris Christie stumbles


 
From left, top to bottom: Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and Jeb Bush. From right, top to bottom: Rand Paul, Mike Pence and Bobby Jindal. Inset: Chris Christie. | AP Photos
By ALEXANDER BURNS and MAGGIE HABERMAN | 3/26/14

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio spent the past year getting battered over immigration reform — and building a presidential-level political operation with heavy investments in digital and data analytics. Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal has already visited New York City four times this year, pushing into big-money turf once dominated by New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie. Jeb Bush, the former Florida governor, has gamed out his 2016 options with a small team of longtime advisers, while Indiana Gov. Mike Pence has met with prominent conservatives, urging him to consider the race.

The Republican presidential field is aflutter with behind-the-scenes activity even at this preliminary stage, giving early shape to a race that has been defined in public by a handful of outsized media personalities, including Christie, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz.

Christie’s “Bridgegate” stumbles have now thrown the race wide open: Strategists for likely and potential candidates all see the Garden State Republican as deeply and perhaps fatally compromised. Reform-minded Republican governors are eyeing the race more eagerly, thanks to the void opened by the Fort Lee traffic scandal. Others in the field, like Rubio, could find their nuts-and-bolts preparatory work all the more valuable in view of Christie’s woes.

There is no shortage of ideological and strategic fault lines in the Republican lineup, but the most important developing division may be the one separating these two groups of candidates: the prepared and the unprepared.

In 2012, Mitt Romney survived a savage primary contest, largely because of his financial and organizational dominance. With 2016 looming closer, several presumptive candidates, including Rubio and Jindal, have already moved ahead of the pack in what might be called the infrastructure primary; other promising hopefuls, like Bush and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, look powerful on paper but have done little to capitalize on their promise.

Experienced GOP presidential hands have so far taken a “let a thousand flowers bloom” approach to the 2016 maneuvering. “While each is following a unique strategy to ramp up their operations, I’m particularly struck by Bobby Jindal’s aggressive outreach and early organizing, Rand Paul’s smart messaging on privacy and organizational strength and Marco Rubio’s discipline at playing the long game,” said Jim Merrill, Mitt Romney’s former New Hampshire strategist.

Romney’s Iowa campaign chief, David Kochel, said the flurry of Republican activity contrasts with the minimal movement on the Democratic side. “Whether it’s Jeb Bush on education, or Marco Rubio on foreign policy, or Rand Paul on NSA, they’re looking for and finding opportunities to grow the base,” he said.

Here’s a closer look at the first stages of the invisible primary — POLITICO’s guide to the organized, the partially organized and the just plain disorganized Republicans of 2016.

Staffed up and ready to go

If the 2016 starter’s pistol fired tomorrow, at least a few contenders would be able to jump into action almost immediately. Marco Rubio, now halfway through his first Senate term, has surrounded himself with presidential-level strategists and policy advisers from the outset. His political operation is run by South Carolina operative Terry Sullivan, while the Rubio PAC Reclaim America brought on former Bush-Cheney and Fred Thompson fundraiser Dorinda Moss to manage the money flow.

A closer look at Rubio’s finance reports reveal an even more sophisticated operation at work. In addition to several vendors long associated with Rubio — the TV firm Something Else Strategies and the pollsters at North Star Opinion Research — Rubio has paid hefty sums to more specialized political consultants, including $150,000 to the Republican data analytics firm 0ptimus. Also working for Rubio is digital consultant Mike Harinstein, a former Americans for Prosperity digital guru now at the firm Core Focus Consulting.

And Rubio’s political machine isn’t just waiting for the “go” order. Reclaim America ran TV ads last year for Arkansas Senate candidate Tom Cotton and New Hampshire Sen. Kelly Ayotte, while his pollster was paid for multiple surveys. If Rubio runs, he’ll have plenty more hiring to do — especially in the early states — but the core of his national operation is perhaps the strongest in the field.

Giving Rubio an early run for his organizational money is Bobby Jindal, who has formed two independent groups to push his national message: a federal PAC, dubbed Stand up to Washington, and the policy nonprofit America Next.

Like Rubio, he has a core set of consultants experienced in presidential politics. They include the pollsters and ad men at OnMessage Inc., a Virginia-based firm that has worked for Jindal for a decade and employs former Jindal campaign manager Timmy Teepell.

And the Louisiana governor has been aggressively courting national finance types, making four trips to New York City in this calendar year to compete on turf where Christie was once the overwhelming favorite, as well as trips to other major cities, like Chicago.

Neither Rubio nor Jindal has caught fire in the earliest rounds of horse-race polling, a reality that supporters say counts for little this far out.

Not that long ago, the third man with an almost-turnkey 2016 operation would have been Chris Christie — the high-profile Republican Governors Association chairman with multiple former Romney 2012 advisers in his kitchen cabinet, Rudy Giuliani’s former campaign manager, Mike DuHaime, as his top strategist and a pack of donors pounding on the door to pay respects. When the Fort Lee traffic scandal erupted — prompting Christie to sever ties with his former campaign manager, Bill Stepien — any 2016 preparations were essentially frozen in time.

Christie continues to tour the country in his RGA capacity. He has been to Florida and Michigan, and later this month he is slated to attend a major donor event in Deer Park, Utah, according to a source familiar with the planning. But if events like these give Christie the chance to make the case for his own relevance, strategists privately wonder whether the bloom is permanently off the rose. (“He’s lost the thing that made him special,” said one veteran GOP hand. “He’s lost the authenticity.”)

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« Reply #132 on: March 27, 2014, 01:37:04 PM »

Will be interesting to see if he can generate broad-based support.  I don't think he has the charisma to do it, especially when compared to the larger personalities who will likely be running.

Rand Paul builds 50-state network, courts mainstream support for presidential bid
By Robert Costa, Published: March 26 | Updated: Thursday, March 27, 12:00 AM

Sen. Rand Paul has become the first Republican to assemble a network in all 50 states as a precursor to a 2016 presidential run, the latest sign that he is looking to build a more mainstream coalition than the largely ad hoc one that backed his father’s unsuccessful campaigns.

Paul’s move, which comes nearly two years before the 2016 primaries, also signals an effort to win the confidence of skeptical members of the Republican establishment, many of whom doubt that his appeal will translate beyond the libertarian base that was attracted to Ron Paul, the former Texas congressman.

Rand Paul’s nationwide organization, which counts more than 200 people, includes new backers who have previously funded more traditional Republicans, along with longtime libertarian activists. Paul, of Kentucky, has also been courting Wall Street titans and Silicon Valley entrepreneurs who donated to the presidential campaigns of George W. Bush and Mitt Romney, attending elite conclaves in Utah and elsewhere along with other GOP hopefuls.

For the rest of this year, his national team’s chief duties will be to take the lead in their respective states in planning fundraisers and meet-ups and helping Paul’s Washington-based advisers get a sense of where support is solid and where it’s not. This is especially important in key early primary battlegrounds, such as Iowa and New Hampshire, and in areas rich in GOP donors, such as Dallas and Chicago.

“A national leadership team is an important step, and it’s a critical one for the movement going forward,” said Fritz Wenzel, Paul’s pollster. “Rand has tremendous momentum, and the formation of this team will guide him as he gets closer to a decision and [will] serve as a foundation for a campaign.”

A growing number of Republicans have started to consider presidential campaigns. Aides to New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) are sketching out how possible bids could look and keeping tabs on donors and potential staffers. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.), Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Rick Santorum, a distant runner-up to Romney in the 2012 race for the GOP nomination, have been wooing conservative leaders.

At this early juncture, Paul is consistently at or near the top in polling. A CNN/ORC International survey this month found that 16 percent of Republicans and independents who lean Republican were likely to support Paul, putting him at the front of the Republican field. Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), the 2012 GOP vice-presidential nominee, was second, at 15 percent.

Paul’s leadership team is set up as part of Rand Paul Victory, a group that pools donations. It is a joint committee that overlaps the fundraising efforts of Rand PAC, Paul’s political-action committee, and Rand Paul 2016, his Senate campaign, and it is described by Paul aides as the basis for a presidential campaign.

“There are people in every state who have joined Team Paul, with the money people ready to go,” said Mallory Factor, a consultant and South Carolina Republican who has worked with Paul to expand the senator’s footprint.

Kevin Madden, a former adviser to Romney and House Republican leaders, said the development of a national network was a notable moment in pre-primary positioning.

“This framework of supporters is an important building block in the architecture required to build a competitive national campaign,” Madden said. “What looks like just a name is often someone who knows local reporters, has a fundraising network or has an ability or history of organizing party activists.”

Democrats are closely watching Paul as he moves to become less of a fringe figure than his father, who struggled to resonate with Republicans beyond his fervent base.

David Axelrod, director of the Institute for Politics at the University of Chicago and a former strategist for President Obama, said, “He’s certainly creating buzz, and when I saw him at Romney’s donor meeting in Utah, it showed seriousness behind what he’s trying to do, beyond all he’s done from a message standpoint.”

Axelrod dismissed the criticism of those consultants in both parties who have said Paul needs to enlist more veteran hands and tap a well-known Republican strategist with deep presidential campaign experience.

“David Axelrod wasn’t David Axelrod until he was,” Axelrod said.

At the Romney retreat last year in Park City, Utah, Paul gained some fans among the GOP elite. Though few pledged to back him should he run for president, they did warm up to him.

“Going in, people weren’t sure. Most of them didn’t know him,” recalled Ron Kaufman, a Romney confidant. “But they had these one-on-one meetings with him and came away saying he’s a sharp guy. They were still in the grieving stage, not ready to think about 2016, but their opinion of him increased rather dramatically.”

Nevertheless, many Republicans question whether Paul can build a campaign that could win a national election.

“I think he’s dangerously irresponsible,” said Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.), who is mulling his own presidential bid and has been critical of the GOP’s tea party wing, including Cruz.“I can’t believe responsible Republicans will support this guy, who’s a modern version of Charles Lindbergh.”

The decision to swiftly expand and announce Paul’s national political infrastructure — which will be fully unveiled this spring — comes after reports describing Paul’s operation as unready to compete nationally.

But it was finalized this month at a meeting at a Hampton Inn in Oxon Hill, Md., during the Conservative Political Action Conference. Speaking to more than 40 members of Paul’s circle, his strategists emphasized consolidating the sprawling support Paul has amassed into a coordinated apparatus.


Paul, who also spoke, said he will not make a final decision on a run until the end of the year, but he indicated that he is leaning toward getting into the race and wants a well-staffed political operation to move on all fronts — fundraising, advertising, Internet presence and volunteer coordination — if he does.

Paul’s national team plans to huddle once every quarter, with weekly calls between the meetings. Foreign policy advisers, such as former ambassador Richard Burt and Lorne Craner, a former State Department official, are expected to be part of the chain of command.

Joe Lonsdale, a hedge-fund manager, is also onboard, as is Ken Garschina, a principal at Mason Capital Management in New York. So are Donald and Phillip Huffines, brothers and Texas real estate developers; Atlanta investor Lane Moore; and Frayda Levy, a board member at conservative advocacy groups Americans for Prosperity and the Club for Growth.

From the state parties, outgoing Iowa GOP chairman A.J. Spiker and former Nevada GOP chairman James Smack have signed on, and a handful of Republican officials are preparing to join once their terms expire, including Robert Graham, chairman of the Arizona Republican Party.

Drew Ivers, a former Iowa GOP chairman and Paul supporter, said Paul is “seriously building” a Hawkeye State network, but said much of the activity has gone unnoticed by Washington observers because it is mostly on social media. “In June 2007, Ron Paul’s name identification was zero,” Ivers said. “These days, 95 percent of Iowa Republicans know Rand Paul.”

Paul’s chief political adviser, Doug Stafford, and his fundraising director, Erika Sather, will manage the bolstered organization. Their challenge will be to construct a presidential-level operation that is able to court both the family’s long-standing grass-roots activists as and wealthy donors.

Sather, a former development director at the Club for Growth, spent much of the winter introducing Paul to donors beyond the rich libertarians who poured more than $40 million into Ron Paul’s 2012 presidential campaign. Stafford, a former adviser to several conservative groups, has mined the donor lists of the Campaign for Liberty, FreedomWorks and other advocacy organizations.

Cathy Bailey and Nate Morris, two prominent GOP fundraisers from Kentucky, were also instrumental in bringing the group together.

Morris, previously a fundraiser for George W. Bush, has served as Paul’s guide as the freshman senator has navigated steakhouse dinners and tony receptions with Wall Street and Silicon Valley leaders.

“The bones for the network are there,” Morris said. “We’ll take that and bring in new talent, people who could be like Spencer Zwick was for Mitt Romney’s on finance. Among donors, there’s a fever out there, people are looking to rebrand the party and they haven’t yet been tapped.”

Last year, Rand Paul Victory raised $4.4 million, with nearly half of its fourth-quarter donations coming from high-dollar donors, typically those who give more than $500 and often contribute the legal limit.

Paul’s pitch at these gatherings combined his antagonism toward the National Security Agency’s surveillance programs with a discussion of issues such as drug-sentencing reform and what he calls “crunchy conservatism,” a focus on the environment and civil liberties.

In June, in a pilgrimage to Facebook’s headquarters in Palo Alto, Calif., Paul spoke with the company’s founder, Mark Zuckerberg, and wrote a Patrick Henry-inspired social-media message — “Give me liberty to post” — on a hallway chalkboard.

Nurturing relationships with Bob Murray, a coal baron and former Romney bundler, former Bush bundler Jack Oliver, who is aligned with former Florida governor Jeb Bush, and Blakely Page, an associate of billionaire industrialists Charles and David Koch, has been a priority.

Those big-name donors have yet to sign on with any potential Republican candidate, but Paul’s supporters believes the formation of a leadership team could entice them, or at least signal Paul’s seriousness to them.

Billionaire Peter Thiel, the cofounder of PayPal, is another looming figure in Paul’s constellation of friends, advisers, and possible bundlers. He stays in touch with Paul, occasionally meets with him, and is one of his top West Coast allies. Another is San Francisco businessman John Dennis, who once ran for Congress against Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), the current House minority leader.

Jesse Benton, Ron Paul’s former campaign manager who is running Sen. Mitch McConnell’s reelection campaign in Kentucky, and Trygve Olson, a Paul ally and an adviser to American Crossroads, a Karl Rove-affiliated super PAC, are two more Paul supporters who could join his camp after the midterm elections. Rex Elsass, who has worked for Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R), has agreed to serve as Paul’s media strategist.

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« Reply #133 on: March 27, 2014, 02:46:30 PM »

Will be interesting to see if he can generate broad-based support.  I don't think he has the charisma to do it, especially when compared to the larger personalities who will likely be running.

rand supports amnesty.  I think that'll hurt him with the base considerably.

Anyone who supports amnesty is NOT part of the base.  They might think they are, but they're not.
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« Reply #134 on: March 27, 2014, 02:57:50 PM »

rand supports amnesty.  I think that'll hurt him with the base considerably.

Anyone who supports amnesty is NOT part of the base.  They might think they are, but they're not.

And this is based on what exactly? 
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« Reply #135 on: March 27, 2014, 03:04:52 PM »

And this is based on what exactly? 

Huh   Ron Paul supports letting the illegals stay.  This is commonly known.  He's been attacked by tancredo and cruz for it.

Read up on it. 
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« Reply #136 on: March 27, 2014, 03:08:25 PM »

Huh   Ron Paul supports letting the illegals stay.  This is commonly known.  He's been attacked by tancredo and cruz for it.

Read up on it. 

What is the basis for your statements that "Anyone who supports amnesty is NOT part of the base" and that this will "hurt with the base considerably."  Poll numbers?  Just your opinion? 

If everyone is talking about some form of amnesty, then no one is going to be "considerably" hurt by it.   
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« Reply #137 on: March 27, 2014, 03:35:51 PM »

What is the basis for your statements that "Anyone who supports amnesty is NOT part of the base" and that this will "hurt with the base considerably."  Poll numbers?  Just your opinion? 

If everyone is talking about some form of amnesty, then no one is going to be "considerably" hurt by it.   

Everyone is NOT talking about some form of amnesty.  You should read about this dude named Ted Cruz - he's against it.  Unlike Rand Paul.

And for you to actually believe supporting amnesty won't hurt him with the base?  Um, sorry, but you're wrong there. 

Only 21% of Republicans support changing immigration laws.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2014/01/gop-amnesty-plan-ignores-will-of-republican-voters/

So yes, the base doesn't want no stinking amnesty. 
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« Reply #138 on: March 27, 2014, 03:55:04 PM »

Everyone is NOT talking about some form of amnesty.  You should read about this dude named Ted Cruz - he's against it.  Unlike Rand Paul.

And for you to actually believe supporting amnesty won't hurt him with the base?  Um, sorry, but you're wrong there. 

Only 21% of Republicans support changing immigration laws.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2014/01/gop-amnesty-plan-ignores-will-of-republican-voters/

So yes, the base doesn't want no stinking amnesty. 

Wrong as usual. 

On immigration, Republicans favor path to legal status, but differ over citizenship
BY SETH MOTEL1 COMMENT

As House Republicans plan to roll out their own proposals to reform the nation’s immigration system, polls continue to show a majority of Americans support some pathway to legal status for the 11.7 million unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S.

Roughly-two thirds of Americans favor either a pathway to citizenship for unauthorized immigrants (54%) or a way to stay in the U.S. legally without citizenship (12%), according to a CBS News poll last week. That includes support from about three-in-four Democrats (74%) and about half (52%) of Republicans.

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http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/28/on-immigration-republicans-favor-path-to-legal-status-but-differ-over-citizenship/

A "pathway to citizenship" is amnesty.  Both parties have embraced it.  It's going to happen. 
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« Reply #139 on: March 27, 2014, 04:02:04 PM »

Wrong as usual. 

On immigration, Republicans favor path to legal status, but differ over citizenship
BY SETH MOTEL1 COMMENT

As House Republicans plan to roll out their own proposals to reform the nation’s immigration system, polls continue to show a majority of Americans support some pathway to legal status for the 11.7 million unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S.

Roughly-two thirds of Americans favor either a pathway to citizenship for unauthorized immigrants (54%) or a way to stay in the U.S. legally without citizenship (12%), according to a CBS News poll last week. That includes support from about three-in-four Democrats (74%) and about half (52%) of Republicans.

. . . .

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/28/on-immigration-republicans-favor-path-to-legal-status-but-differ-over-citizenship/

A "pathway to citizenship" is amnesty.  Both parties have embraced it.  It's going to happen. 

You're citing pew research.  I'm citing Brietbart.  Wink

http://www.judicialwatch.org/document-archive/judicial-watch-breitbart-nationwide-omnibus-survey-questions-crosstabs/

No offence to you and your "pew" friends, but I think Brietbart knows a little more about the will of republicans.

Aside from that - you're insulting everyone here... bringing a more liberal poll, to show that HALF of repubs want this.  What do the OTHER half want?

BB, you want to call yourself a conseravtive, and you want to support amnesty.  Any true conservative will tell you the two don't line up.  Conseravtive principles say to punish those that break the law - not ignore it.  They entered illegally, and conservatives are about TAKING RESPONSIBILITY.  I know you're quite insulated from illegals where you live, but I'd guess some getbiggers in Cali, AZ or TX might disagree with your beliefs that "conseravtives support amnesty".

I'm a little embarrassed that we even have to have this convo.  The half of repubs supporting it, according to your poll, are the RINO half Wink  Cause if you think Rinos are against it, but the base supports it lol...
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« Reply #140 on: March 27, 2014, 04:11:36 PM »

You're citing pew research.  I'm citing Brietbart.  Wink

http://www.judicialwatch.org/document-archive/judicial-watch-breitbart-nationwide-omnibus-survey-questions-crosstabs/

No offence to you and your "pew" friends, but I think Brietbart knows a little more about the will of republicans.

Aside from that - you're insulting everyone here... bringing a more liberal poll, to show that HALF of repubs want this.  What do the OTHER half want?

BB, you want to call yourself a conseravtive, and you want to support amnesty.  Any true conservative will tell you the two don't line up.  Conseravtive principles say to punish those that break the law - not ignore it.  They entered illegally, and conservatives are about TAKING RESPONSIBILITY.  I know you're quite insulated from illegals where you live, but I'd guess some getbiggers in Cali, AZ or TX might disagree with your beliefs that "conseravtives support amnesty".

I'm a little embarrassed that we even have to have this convo.  The half of repubs supporting it, according to your poll, are the RINO half Wink  Cause if you think Rinos are against it, but the base supports it lol...

I'm not embarrassed one bit.  Anytime I get bored, I take a little time to slap you around a little.  It's quite the pastime.  lol

What the heck did you just post?  What exactly does your link establish? 

And stop trying to act like a Republican or a conservative.  You're a liberal.  You voted for Obama twice.  You've been kneepadding for the man since he took office. 

And where have I claimed to be a conservative or a Republican?  Unlike you, I don't repeatedly lie about my party affiliations. 

But all of that is beside the point.  Anyone paying attention to national politics knows that both parties are talking about amnesty and that some form of "pathway to citizenship" is going to happen.  It will probably be part of the 2016 Republican Party Platform. 
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« Reply #141 on: March 27, 2014, 04:14:32 PM »

I'm not embarrassed one bit.  Anytime I get bored, I take a little time to slap you around a little.  It's quite the pastime.  lol

What the heck did you just post?  What exactly does your link establish? 

And stop trying to act like a Republican or a conservative.  You're a liberal.  You voted for Obama twice.  You've been kneepadding for the man since he took office. 

And where have I claimed to be a conservative or a Republican?  Unlike you, I don't repeatedly lie about my party affiliations. 

But all of that is beside the point.  Anyone paying attention to national politics knows that both parties are talking about amnesty and that some form of "pathway to citizenship" is going to happen.  It will probably be part of the 2016 Republican Party Platform. 


aww, I clearly proved my point, and you reverted to attacking me, calling me a kneepadder and a liberal.

When a person does that, it becomes obvious to everyone here that they've lost the original argument and want to steer this to a new discussion.

I'm not interested in that.  What i've done is point out most conservatives don't support amnesty.  And the facts prove it.  If these facts do'nt fit your opinion, that's cool.  If you disagree with brietbart, that's also cool.  but turning this into "240 sucks" shows everyone in this room that 240 was right on this particular point.  Hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day Smiley 
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« Reply #142 on: March 27, 2014, 04:15:49 PM »

But all of that is beside the point.  Anyone paying attention to national politics knows that both parties are talking about amnesty and that some form of "pathway to citizenship" is going to happen.  It will probably be part of the 2016 Republican Party Platform. 


Ted cruz is NOT.   I'm supporting him for 2016 GOP nominee and you should too.  Just because the "parties" - IE, reince priebus and sean hannity are talking about it - doesn't mean actual americans with conservative values are talking about it.  If anything, they're talking about what bullshit it is to let lawbreakers stay. 
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« Reply #143 on: March 27, 2014, 04:21:55 PM »

aww, I clearly proved my point, and you reverted to attacking me, calling me a kneepadder and a liberal.

When a person does that, it becomes obvious to everyone here that they've lost the original argument and want to steer this to a new discussion.

I'm not interested in that.  What i've done is point out most conservatives don't support amnesty.  And the facts prove it.  If these facts do'nt fit your opinion, that's cool.  If you disagree with brietbart, that's also cool.  but turning this into "240 sucks" shows everyone in this room that 240 was right on this particular point.  Hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day Smiley 

Ah, no, you didn't.  You said I claimed to be a conservative yet support amnesty.  Neither one is true, and both involve me, rather than issue.   

And calling you a liberal isn't an attack.  Are you ashamed to be a liberal?  It's not a dirty word. 

Calling you a knee padder is an attack.  Guilty.   Smiley  But it's true.

So again, what exactly does the link you post show?  Unlike you, I actually clicked the link and it took me to a site with numerous pages.  Which portion supports your contention that Republicans do not support a pathway to citizenship, AND contradicts what Republican Party leaders have been saying?
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« Reply #144 on: March 27, 2014, 04:31:41 PM »

The republican base does not support amnesty.

Your poll, from liberal-ass pew, showed us that about HALF of repubs did.  Even if true (which I doubt), I have to ask WHICH half o repubs support amnesty?  The base, or the RINOs?  Wink

Dude, just please, stop trying to adopt the hannity/priebus party line that they decided right after the election "we all support amnesty now!"

Just because these media pundits and party planners decided to shift on something as important as guarding our borders from lawbreakers, doesn't mean those who love freedom and love the Constitution have.  How shocked am I that you've decided to follow Hannity down the liberal amnesty highway?  Color me shocked.

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« Reply #145 on: March 27, 2014, 04:34:18 PM »

The republican base does not support amnesty.

Your poll, from liberal-ass pew, showed us that about HALF of repubs did.  Even if true (which I doubt), I have to ask WHICH half o repubs support amnesty?  The base, or the RINOs?  Wink

Dude, just please, stop trying to adopt the hannity/priebus party line that they decided right after the election "we all support amnesty now!"

Just because these media pundits and party planners decided to shift on something as important as guarding our borders from lawbreakers, doesn't mean those who love freedom and love the Constitution have.  How shocked am I that you've decided to follow Hannity down the liberal amnesty highway?  Color me shocked.



I see.  So you post a link you didn't read in support of a contention you pulled out of you rear end.  And now you are unable to point a specific part of the link that supports whatever point you're trying to make. 

Thanks for playing.   Smiley
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« Reply #146 on: March 28, 2014, 05:03:47 PM »

Potential 2016 GOP candidates court mega donor Adelson during Vegas weekend
Carl Cameron
By Carl Cameron
Published March 28, 2014
FoxNews.com

So much for "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas."

For a handful of potential 2016 Republican presidential candidates visiting Sin City this weekend, the doors are closed to the press and public -- but the speakers very much want voters to know they are there.

Ostensibly, a parade of high-profile Republicans are streaming through Las Vegas for a four-day gathering hosted by the Republican Jewish Coalition. But they're also there for face time with casino magnate and GOP mega donor Sheldon Adelson, who is on the board of the coalition and whose Venetian casino is hosting the affair.

Being seen in Adelson's company at this early stage is a political plus. The billionaire effectively bankrolled Newt Gingrich's presidential run in 2012, and is poised to make another political gamble in 2016.

Among the first to arrive, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush was honored Thursday at an exclusive gala in Adelson's private Vegas airport hangar -- a big deal for Bush, who is considering a White House run.

Other potential 2016 presidential contenders will be addressing the RJC in Vegas behind closed doors as well this weekend, including: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, Ohio Gov. John Kasich and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.

Christie, speaking Friday at a press conference otherwise called to address a newly released internal report on the New Jersey bridge lane scandal, acknowledged that he would be speaking to the Republican Jewish Coalition but said he wasn't sure if he'd meet with the Adelsons.

"Oftentimes, they set up other private meetings for me with donors or potential donors to solicit them for the Republican Governors Association, so I'm sure I'll have some meetings," he said.

Adelson was a major donor in the 2012 race. While spending $15 million to help Gingrich, he also gave $30 million on top of that to help the GOP nominee Mitt Romney -- and even flew to Jerusalem for Romney's Israel tour.

Overall, Adelson spent more than $90 million trying to defeat President Obama in 2012, and that may not include some donations that went to groups not required to report them.

This time, Adelson wants to help elect a mainstream economic conservative who supports Israel and stands a good chance of -- well, winning. Adelson downplays socially conservative issues, preferring to focus on the economy and foreign policy.

For Bush, the Las Vegas reception marks an important moment. By this point in past presidential cycles, this son of one president -- and brother of another -- had already taken himself out of the running. He knows full well these Vegas appearances will be widely seen as an important step closer to running, and he's said he will make a decision by the end of the year.

Both Kasich and Walker face re-elections in their home states before any presidential run can really start, and the governors want Adelson's support in both campaigns.

Since Christie's landslide re-election four months ago, he's been battling to clear his name in the scandal over lane closures last year near the George Washington Bridge -- Adelson's invitation is a key signal that Christie remains very much in the mix.

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« Reply #147 on: March 28, 2014, 08:13:34 PM »

Beach Bum,

you seem to be the only getbigger that is still rooting for Christie.  We all believe his goose is cooked, and the investigation he controlled into himself didn't prove anything.

Would you really vote for christie over ANY of the other repubs in the potential list?  I know you'd vote for him over hilary and the dems of course.  but are there days when you say "I think Christie would still get my vote over rubio, jeb, or rand or cruz?"

I guess what I'm saying is... are you the one person on getbig that DOESNT have Christie in LAST PLACE of repubs you'd like to see win that nomination?
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« Reply #148 on: March 31, 2014, 12:50:59 PM »

Beach Bum,

you seem to be the only getbigger that is still rooting for Christie.  We all believe his goose is cooked, and the investigation he controlled into himself didn't prove anything.

Would you really vote for christie over ANY of the other repubs in the potential list?  I know you'd vote for him over hilary and the dems of course.  but are there days when you say "I think Christie would still get my vote over rubio, jeb, or rand or cruz?"

I guess what I'm saying is... are you the one person on getbig that DOESNT have Christie in LAST PLACE of repubs you'd like to see win that nomination?

I'm not keeping track of the five or six people (or whatever the number is) on the board who don't like Christie. 

I have no idea who I will vote for in 2016.  Because I'm an independent, I don't vote in either the Democrat or Republican primaries.  I'll do what I do in every election:  wait until the nominees are selected and then vote for who I think is the best candidate, regardless of party.   

If that man is Christie, I'll vote for him.  If it's a Democrat, I'll vote for him or her.   

I don't like everything about Christie, but I still like him.  Good leader.  Straight talker.  Needs to lay off the donuts. 
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« Reply #149 on: March 31, 2014, 12:52:18 PM »

Good interview, although he didn't really get into specifics.  Definitely sounds like he's running.  Interested to see what he will bring to the table.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2_PoBoR5i8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2_PoBoR5i8</a>
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