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How to cook a steak with Gordon Ramsey
« on: January 10, 2014, 05:20:54 PM »

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Re: How to cook a steak
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2014, 05:23:19 PM »
I rub with olive oil, season with cracked pepper, sea salt, and various other spices depending on mood, pan fry for 3 min/side at med high, and then throw in the oven (in the same cast iron skillet i fryed it in) at 425* for 2 min.

best steaks evar.

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Re: How to cook a steak
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2014, 05:32:46 PM »
I rub with olive oil, season with cracked pepper, sea salt, and various other spices depending on mood, pan fry for 3 min/side at med high, and then throw in the oven (in the same cast iron skillet i fryed it in) at 425* for 2 min.

best steaks evar.

Do you also run 3 michelin star restaurants?

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Re: How to cook a steak with Gordon Ramsey
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2014, 05:40:47 PM »
I give it to my wife to do. If its not right she has a conversation with the pan.

Why on earth any man would do women's work is beyond me?

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Re: How to cook a steak
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2014, 05:44:10 PM »
Do you also run 3 michelin star restaurants?
actually I have 4.



















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Re: How to cook a steak
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2014, 10:05:49 PM »
Seems the cooking time is too long unless the steaks are thick.  Sounds great though...

I rub with olive oil, season with cracked pepper, sea salt, and various other spices depending on mood, pan fry for 3 min/side at med high, and then throw in the oven (in the same cast iron skillet i fryed it in) at 425* for 2 min.

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Re: How to cook a steak with Gordon Ramsey
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2014, 10:14:47 PM »
Gordon is wrong about turning it once only. You will actually get better results flipping it more.  In fact, the more you flip, the better.  Gordon is a moron sometimes and not scientific.  He is the Bro-Science of the Culinary world.

http://www.seriouseats.com/2013/07/the-food-lab-flip-your-steaks-and-burgers-multiple-times-for-better-results.html

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Re: How to cook a steak with Gordon Ramsey
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2014, 10:33:56 PM »
Dumb ass Bro-Cooking Gordon is also WRONG about steaks at room Temperature before cooking.

http://www.seriouseats.com/2013/06/the-food-lab-7-old-wives-tales-about-cooking-steak.html

Myth #1: "You should let a thick steak rest at room temperature before you cook it."

The Theory: You want your meat to cook evenly from edge to center. Therefore, the closer it is to its final eating temperature, the more evenly it will cook. Letting it sit on the counter for 20 to 30 minutes will bring the steak up to room temperature—a good 20 to 25°F closer to your final serving temperature. In addition, the warmer meat will brown better because you don't need to waste energy from the pan to take the chill off of its surface.


The Reality: Let's break this down one issue at a time. First, the internal temperature. While it's true that slowly bringing a steak up to its final serving temperature will promote more even cooking, the reality is that letting it rest at room temperature accomplishes almost nothing.


To test this, I pulled a single 15-ounce New York strip steak out of the refrigerator, cut it in half, placed half back in the fridge, and the other half on a ceramic plate on the counter. The steak started at 38°F and the ambient air in my kitchen was at 70°F. I then took temperature readings of its core every ten minutes.

After the first 20 minutes—the time that many chefs and books will recommend you let a steak rest at room temperature—the center of the steak had risen to a whopping 39.8°F. Not even a full two degrees. So I let it go longer. 30 minutes. 50 minutes. 1 hour and 20 minutes. After 1 hour and 50 minutes, the steak was up to 49.6°F in the center. Still colder than the cold water comes out of my tap in the summer, and only about 13% closer to its target temperature of a medium-rare 130°F than the steak in the fridge.

You can increase the rate at which it warms by placing it on a highly conductive metal, like aluminum,* but even so, it'd take you at least an hour or so to get up to room temperature—an hour that would be better spent by, say, actively warming your steak sous-vide style in a beer cooler.

*protip: thaw frozen meat in an aluminum skillet to cut your thaw time in half!

After two hours, I decided I'd reached the limit of what is practical, and had gone far beyond what any book or chef recommends, so I cooked the two steaks side by side. For the sake of this test, I cooked them directly over hot coals until seared, then shifted them over to the cool side to finish.* Not only did they come up to their final temperature at nearly the same time (I was aiming for 130°F), but they also showed the same relative evenness of cooking, and they both seared at the same rate.

*Normally I'd start them on the cool side and finish them on the hot like in this recipe, but that method would have obscured the results of this test.

The cooking rate makes sense—after all, the room temperature-rested steak was barely any warmer on the inside than the fridged-steak, but what about the searing? The outer layer of the rested steak must be warm enough to make a difference, right?

    It takes five times more energy to convert a single gram of water into steam than it does to raise the temperature of that water all the way from ice cold to boiling hot.

Here's the issue: Steak can't brown until most of the moisture has evaporated from the layers of meat closest to the surface, and it takes a hell of a lot of energy to evaporate moisture. To put it in perspective. It takes five times more energy to convert a single gram of water into steam than it does to raise the temperature of that water all the way from ice cold to boiling hot. So when searing a steak, the vast majority of energy that goes into it is used to evaporate moisture from its surface layers. Next to that energy requirement, a 20, 30, or even 40 degree difference in the temperature of the surface of the meat is a piddling affair.

The Takeaway: Don't bother letting your steaks rest at room temperature. Rather, dry them very thoroughly on paper towels before searing. Or better yet, salt them and let them rest uncovered on a rack in the fridge for a night or two, so that their surface moisture can evaporate. You'll get much more efficient browning that way.



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Re: How to cook a steak
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2014, 10:45:25 PM »
The cut and age of the beef doesn't bear mentioning, Gordon?  ::)


I rub with olive oil, season with cracked pepper, sea salt, and various other spices depending on mood, pan fry for 3 min/side at med high, and then throw in the oven (in the same cast iron skillet i fryed it in) at 425* for 2 min.

best steaks evar.

I use lard for pan frying and retain olive oil for stuff that doesn't sizzle.  Peanut oil is also commonly used for high temp stuff.  I've heard that bad things happen to olive oil at high temperature and it's unhealthy for you.

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Re: How to cook a steak with Gordon Ramsey
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2014, 10:50:26 PM »
Oh BROTHER are you kidding me? Now Gordon Ramsay is a broscientist?  ::)

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Re: How to cook a steak with Gordon Ramsey
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2014, 10:56:27 PM »
True Adonis teaching a multimillionaire chef some things about cooking.

Only on Getbig  :D :D
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Re: How to cook a steak with Gordon Ramsey
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2014, 11:18:04 PM »
True Adonis teaching a multimillionaire chef some things about cooking.

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Its a fact he is wrong.  Science proves Gordon wrong.  He loves to spout myths.

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Re: How to cook a steak with Gordon Ramsey
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2014, 11:22:25 PM »
Its a fact he is wrong.  Science proves Gordon wrong.  He loves to spout myths.


Well, I ate at one of his restaurants and I really enjoyed his food. Myth or fact, the food was really good.
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Re: How to cook a steak with Gordon Ramsey
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2014, 11:22:43 PM »
True Adonis teaching a multimillionaire chef some things about cooking.

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How about removing me from the equation and focus on the Science.

You are doing what religious people tend to do.

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Re: How to cook a steak with Gordon Ramsey
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2014, 11:23:52 PM »


Well, I ate at one of his restaurants and I really enjoyed his food. Myth or fact, the food was really good.
That doesn`t mean he isn`t dead wrong. 

Again, you are arguing like a religious person focusing on "personal experience" rather than focusing on Science, Facts and Evidence.

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Re: How to cook a steak with Gordon Ramsey
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2014, 11:29:20 PM »
I never agree with these big chefs ..

Why do I need to FRY everything in oil and butter?

Meat, as it is on a grill is great and I love it. A little salt and pepper is more than enough, or even just a pinch of salt.

Same with veggies. Boiled asparagus and broccoli naturally taste good. No need for anything else.

Humanity forgot the natural taste of the food they eat. Because of idiots like him. Let your taste-buds rediscover it.


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Re: How to cook a steak with Gordon Ramsey
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2014, 11:31:18 PM »
I never agree with these big chefs ..

Why do I need to FRY everything in oil and butter?

Meat, as it is on a grill is great and I love it. A little salt and pepper is more than enough, or even just a pinch of salt.

Same with veggies. Boiled asparagus and broccoli naturally taste good. No need for anything else.

Humanity forgot the natural taste of the food they eat. Because of idiots like him. Let your taste-buds rediscover it.



There is no need .. most foods simply taste better when fried in their own juices. A grill is good, but you lose a lot of the natural oils through the grill grates. Gordon Ramsay is hardly an idiot. Yeah, he's a bit outspoken on his television programs but the man definitely knows his shit. Ramsay is a man that glorifies food in the best possible way.

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A little salt, pepper and butter suddenly tarnishes a steak? Who the hell wants to eat an unseasoned steak? I'm sure it tastes fine.. but a seasoned steak is miles ahead.

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Re: How to cook a steak with Gordon Ramsey
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2014, 11:33:16 PM »
How about removing me from the equation and focus on the Science.

You are doing what religious people tend to do.
All I can say is ive done it both ways, flipped several times or just one, and let it warm up or not.

gordons way tasted better, no doubt in my mind. Science may tell you it doesnt matter but my taste buds tell me otherwise.

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Re: How to cook a steak with Gordon Ramsey
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2014, 11:33:32 PM »
That doesn`t mean he isn`t dead wrong.  

Again, you are arguing like a religious person focusing on "personal experience" rather than focusing on Science, Facts and Evidence.


Dude, I am not saying you ARE wrong, nor am I saying the science is wrong.

Whether the science is right or wrong, I still liked his food. The fact that his food was an enjoyable experience for me does not mean the science is wrong. Just that I enjoyed his food. Basically, he could be dead wrong, but I still liked his food. Plain and simple.
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Re: How to cook a steak with Gordon Ramsey
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2014, 11:34:17 PM »
Dumb ass Bro-Cooking Gordon is also WRONG about steaks at room Temperature before cooking.

http://www.seriouseats.com/2013/06/the-food-lab-7-old-wives-tales-about-cooking-steak.html

Myth #1: "You should let a thick steak rest at room temperature before you cook it."

The Theory: You want your meat to cook evenly from edge to center. Therefore, the closer it is to its final eating temperature, the more evenly it will cook. Letting it sit on the counter for 20 to 30 minutes will bring the steak up to room temperature—a good 20 to 25°F closer to your final serving temperature. In addition, the warmer meat will brown better because you don't need to waste energy from the pan to take the chill off of its surface.


The Reality: Let's break this down one issue at a time. First, the internal temperature. While it's true that slowly bringing a steak up to its final serving temperature will promote more even cooking, the reality is that letting it rest at room temperature accomplishes almost nothing.


To test this, I pulled a single 15-ounce New York strip steak out of the refrigerator, cut it in half, placed half back in the fridge, and the other half on a ceramic plate on the counter. The steak started at 38°F and the ambient air in my kitchen was at 70°F. I then took temperature readings of its core every ten minutes.

After the first 20 minutes—the time that many chefs and books will recommend you let a steak rest at room temperature—the center of the steak had risen to a whopping 39.8°F. Not even a full two degrees. So I let it go longer. 30 minutes. 50 minutes. 1 hour and 20 minutes. After 1 hour and 50 minutes, the steak was up to 49.6°F in the center. Still colder than the cold water comes out of my tap in the summer, and only about 13% closer to its target temperature of a medium-rare 130°F than the steak in the fridge.

You can increase the rate at which it warms by placing it on a highly conductive metal, like aluminum,* but even so, it'd take you at least an hour or so to get up to room temperature—an hour that would be better spent by, say, actively warming your steak sous-vide style in a beer cooler.

*protip: thaw frozen meat in an aluminum skillet to cut your thaw time in half!

After two hours, I decided I'd reached the limit of what is practical, and had gone far beyond what any book or chef recommends, so I cooked the two steaks side by side. For the sake of this test, I cooked them directly over hot coals until seared, then shifted them over to the cool side to finish.* Not only did they come up to their final temperature at nearly the same time (I was aiming for 130°F), but they also showed the same relative evenness of cooking, and they both seared at the same rate.

*Normally I'd start them on the cool side and finish them on the hot like in this recipe, but that method would have obscured the results of this test.

The cooking rate makes sense—after all, the room temperature-rested steak was barely any warmer on the inside than the fridged-steak, but what about the searing? The outer layer of the rested steak must be warm enough to make a difference, right?

    It takes five times more energy to convert a single gram of water into steam than it does to raise the temperature of that water all the way from ice cold to boiling hot.

Here's the issue: Steak can't brown until most of the moisture has evaporated from the layers of meat closest to the surface, and it takes a hell of a lot of energy to evaporate moisture. To put it in perspective. It takes five times more energy to convert a single gram of water into steam than it does to raise the temperature of that water all the way from ice cold to boiling hot. So when searing a steak, the vast majority of energy that goes into it is used to evaporate moisture from its surface layers. Next to that energy requirement, a 20, 30, or even 40 degree difference in the temperature of the surface of the meat is a piddling affair.

The Takeaway: Don't bother letting your steaks rest at room temperature. Rather, dry them very thoroughly on paper towels before searing. Or better yet, salt them and let them rest uncovered on a rack in the fridge for a night or two, so that their surface moisture can evaporate. You'll get much more efficient browning that way.





Someone seems overly passionate about G-ram and/or man meat.

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Re: How to cook a steak with Gordon Ramsey
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2014, 11:35:08 PM »

Someone seems overly passionate about G-ram and/or man meat.


Indeed.

I hate that he perpetuates these cooking myths that are nothing but old wives tales.

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Re: How to cook a steak with Gordon Ramsey
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2014, 11:35:17 PM »
How about removing me from the equation and focus on the Science.

You are doing what religious people tend to do.

Science? Your source is a SINGLE experiment conducted by a (biased to his own ways, I might add) online blogger. I'm not doubting that multiple flips are better, however, you need more evidence than a blog post. You can quote Harold McGee all you want, but even by his own words, a single flip will produce the best crust. Presentation means a lot in the culinary world. And I don't think that restaurants like ramsay's are too concerned with a small reduction in cooking time on a steak.. that's just more time for the guests to order appetizers.

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Re: How to cook a steak with Gordon Ramsey
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2014, 11:37:18 PM »
Indeed.

I hate that he perpetuates these cooking myths that are nothing but old wives tales.

lol finally a poster with enough intelligence to grasp sarcasm... Am I going crazy or this place is getting dumber by the day?

This douche is a culinary and cultural menace. He should be deported.
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Re: How to cook a steak with Gordon Ramsey
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2014, 11:38:14 PM »
lol finally a poster with enough intelligence to grasp sarcasm... Am I going crazy or this place is getting dumber by the day?

This douche is a culinary and cultural menace. He should be deported.


He is worse than Goodrum spreading those horrid competition pictures of himself.
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Re: How to cook a steak with Gordon Ramsey
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2014, 11:41:04 PM »
There is no need .. most foods simply taste better when fried in their own juices. A grill is good, but you lose a lot of the natural oils through the grill grates. Gordon Ramsay is hardly an idiot. Yeah, he's a bit outspoken on his television programs but the man definitely knows his shit. Ramsay is a man that glorifies food in the best possible way.

A little salt, pepper and butter suddenly tarnishes a steak? Who the hell wants to eat an unseasoned steak? I'm sure it tastes fine.. but a seasoned steak is miles ahead.
generation nothingness brainwashed by TV and a fast speaking chef

try my version and within a few months you will never go back to steak fried in oil and butter.