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« Reply #50 on: January 27, 2014, 04:26:54 PM »

More info on this?
Also, one factor many people seem to have missed is the size of these people. If you're 175lb and 6% then you will have a significantly less amount of fat than a guy that is 240lb and 6%. The percentage of body fat may be the same so they look just as lean but simply because they have more fat on their body they will hold more fat on the face
exercise causes blood to flow at faster rate, hence the more exercise you do the harder the blood will run out of nutrients with a slin shot, to much output will cause you to go hypo. You can not take 10 iu of a slin shot if you are not used to it and spend 3 hours in the gym, you will crash.
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« Reply #51 on: January 27, 2014, 04:33:09 PM »

yah, a non type 1 diabetic can go hypo on low carb diet, i managed too.

some fatter ppl are borderline type 2 diabetics,they reversable kind, can even depend on what meal they had, some meals raise glucose levels extremly high some dont etc.

but one has to go extreme low cals and no carbs, but it can happen, and yah some ppl are almost type 2 diabetics.

same thing, lmost passing out, cant think a whole sentence, youre mentaly lost etc etc.


science clesrly states it can happen to non diabetics, have the book right in my hands.

btw oth i dont want to be cherry icking, but slin doesnt transport nutritients as its always said, it acts as "key" to open the gates
obviously, the blood transport the nutrients, it is our bodybuilding lingo  Wink slin delivers nutrients into the muscle, well the blood delivers the nutrients and the slin allows them to enter at the cellular level, bodybuilders say slin delivers nutrients, slang.

I did not know you have experienced hypo before, I just wrote a post saying you have not, MY BAD, I thought you said before you have not. I go no carbs all the time, never have gone hypo, even 50 days straight, no hypo. Sluggish and dizzy yes but not what I have felt after a slin shot when I did not take in any carbs, entirely different feeling from no carbs.
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« Reply #52 on: January 27, 2014, 04:37:12 PM »

I had a close friend do this with his very first run of Slin, i think it was the first injection ever.  Thankfully his brother was at his house and knew what to do. 

He called me the next day and explained, he felt like such an idiot, but he was a smart guy and mistakes happen.


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« Reply #53 on: January 27, 2014, 05:12:30 PM »

exercise causes blood to flow at faster rate, hence the more exercise you do the harder the blood will run out of nutrients with a slin shot, to much output will cause you to go hypo. You can not take 10 iu of a slin shot if you are not used to it and spend 3 hours in the gym, you will crash.

Cheers. I'll stick to post workout for a while I think
Of course getting the biggest pump possible is critical for insulin use. What is the preferred method to keep the pump? Any decent supplements? I can't afford viagra unfortunately.
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« Reply #54 on: January 27, 2014, 05:41:37 PM »

Cheers. I'll stick to post workout for a while I think
Of course getting the biggest pump possible is critical for insulin use. What is the preferred method to keep the pump? Any decent supplements? I can't afford viagra unfortunately.
all my bodybuilder friends and most are national level and ifbb pro swear by arginine or NO2 or that ball park, everyone of them. Pre-workout slin shot with no2 and juice instead of water, then a protein drink with glutamin and bcaa's and believe it or not a lot use creatine.

As for the dark side of the fence, TNE and D-bol keep the pump for hours after the gym, it is also a must for the elite bodybuilders, this is what they do, this is the secret protocols.

On all out assault would also include caffeine and ephedrine, if you can handle all of this in one go surrounding your workout you will grow faster then you could ever imagine, but not a safe approach and just the sheer discomfort of all this is pure madness, but it works.
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« Reply #55 on: January 27, 2014, 06:13:05 PM »

all my bodybuilder friends and most are national level and ifbb pro swear by arginine or NO2 or that ball park, everyone of them. Pre-workout slin shot with no2 and juice instead of water, then a protein drink with glutamin and bcaa's and believe it or not a lot use creatine.

As for the dark side of the fence, TNE and D-bol keep the pump for hours after the gym, it is also a must for the elite bodybuilders, this is what they do, this is the secret protocols.

On all out assault would also include caffeine and ephedrine, if you can handle all of this in one go surrounding your workout you will grow faster then you could ever imagine, but not a safe approach and just the sheer discomfort of all this is pure madness, but it works.

Thanks, I will try out Arginine Alphaketogluterate and see how that is
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« Reply #56 on: January 27, 2014, 07:42:52 PM »

yah, a non type 1 diabetic can go hypo on low carb diet, i managed too.

some fatter ppl are borderline type 2 diabetics,they reversable kind, can even depend on what meal they had, some meals raise glucose levels extremly high some dont etc.

but one has to go extreme low cals and no carbs, but it can happen, and yah some ppl are almost type 2 diabetics.

same thing, lmost passing out, cant think a whole sentence, youre mentaly lost etc etc.


science clesrly states it can happen to non diabetics, have the book right in my hands.

btw oth i dont want to be cherry icking, but slin doesnt transport nutritients as its always said, it acts as "key" to open the gates

yah, a non type 1 diabetic can go hypo on low carb diet, i managed too.

some fatter ppl are borderline type 2 diabetics,they reversable kind, can even depend on what meal they had, some meals raise glucose levels extremly high some dont etc.

but one has to go extreme low cals and no carbs, but it can happen, and yah some ppl are almost type 2 diabetics.

same thing, lmost passing out, cant think a whole sentence, youre mentaly lost etc etc.


science clesrly states it can happen to non diabetics, have the book right in my hands.

btw oth i dont want to be cherry icking, but slin doesnt transport nutritients as its always said, it acts as "key" to open the gates

I was probably on around 600 cals.  Shocked

Not smart trying to do bjj on almost no carbs(only a little broccoli) and so few cals.

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« Reply #57 on: January 27, 2014, 07:48:10 PM »

ok maybe you are right but my point is a low carb diet produces a low energy level that any lazy person can mistaken sluggishness for hypo,

 I mean take both me and galeniko here, we have both gone 50 days no carbs, are you kidding 50 days? if 50 days cause no hypo then I doubt the person claiming to get hypo from a low carb diet is getting hypo that slin cause, guarantee it is just sluggishness, certainly not the same ball park.

Can no carb diet cause nausea, dizziness and light headed? yes but hypo is severe, extreme and hits like a ton of brick, can not be same thing here.


EDIT' GAL HAS GONE HYPO ON A NO CARB DIET, THOUGHT HE HASN'T,  I GUESS I AM WRONG.  Undecided

OTH you sounded so sure of yourself telling me what I EXPERIENCED. Please next time just do a little research.

I went hypo on extremely low carbs and cals. I don't have diabetes.
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« Reply #58 on: January 28, 2014, 04:56:56 AM »

I was probably on around 600 cals.  Shocked

Not smart trying to do bjj on almost no carbs(only a little broccoli) and so few cals.


I have been that low too and spent 12 hours on the roof  Wink
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« Reply #59 on: January 28, 2014, 05:04:23 AM »

OTH you sounded so sure of yourself telling me what I EXPERIENCED. Please next time just do a little research.

I went hypo on extremely low carbs and cals. I don't have diabetes.
I am sorry I came across as such an asshole but I hold my position that way too many people are just soft when it comes to dieting and make a million excuses, people throw that word ''hypo'' around while dieting, to me its a joke. Meanwhile people are dropping off of slin and taken to the hospital, that is hypo.

I have to be harsh so people on here don't think  ''oh well the low carb diet made me hypo, i can handle that feeling no problem'' next thing you know they shoot slin like its going out of style and wind up dead cause they were mislead into thinking the 2 feelings are the same.

They are not the same, find they are both classified as being ''hypo'' so you were ''hypo'' sorry I was wrong then, either way the feelings are different from crashing off a slin shot and that was the point I was trying to make.

again sorry for being a dickhead in process.
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« Reply #60 on: January 28, 2014, 05:57:53 AM »

I have been that low too and spent 12 hours on the roof  Wink
yah sometimes, theres no issues, or only after having a small meal again, i went more than 2 days wo food no problemo, but eventualy it hits Grin
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« Reply #61 on: January 28, 2014, 08:34:41 AM »

I am sorry I came across as such an asshole but I hold my position that way too many people are just soft when it comes to dieting and make a million excuses, people throw that word ''hypo'' around while dieting, to me its a joke. Meanwhile people are dropping off of slin and taken to the hospital, that is hypo.

They are not the same, find they are both classified as being ''hypo'' so you were ''hypo'' sorry I was wrong then, either way the feelings are different from crashing off a slin shot and that was the point I was trying to make.


This X 10000. Reread my post about me being hypo, that's the real deal. What the majority here are describing low blood sugar. If we all went truly hypo on low carb/low cal diets, the ER and even the morgue would be filled with bodybuilders. I get shaky, chills, tired all the time on low carb/no carb diets. Guess what? That's normal and your body adjusts.
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« Reply #62 on: January 28, 2014, 08:45:42 AM »

all my bodybuilder friends and most are national level and ifbb pro swear by arginine or NO2 or that ball park, everyone of them. Pre-workout slin shot with no2 and juice instead of water, then a protein drink with glutamin and bcaa's and believe it or not a lot use creatine.

As for the dark side of the fence, TNE and D-bol keep the pump for hours after the gym, it is also a must for the elite bodybuilders, this is what they do, this is the secret protocols.

On all out assault would also include caffeine and ephedrine, if you can handle all of this in one go surrounding your workout you will grow faster then you could ever imagine, but not a safe approach and just the sheer discomfort of all this is pure madness, but it works.

Do any of them bother with injectable arginine?

Also, I've read that Hany Rambod eschews the use of caffeine or other stimulants pre-workout because they constrict blood vessels, impairing pump/bloodflow.  Does he actually do this with his clients?  Or just Flex magazine hype?
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« Reply #63 on: January 28, 2014, 01:26:49 PM »


This X 10000. Reread my post about me being hypo, that's the real deal. What the majority here are describing low blood sugar. If we all went truly hypo on low carb/low cal diets, the ER and even the morgue would be filled with bodybuilders. I get shaky, chills, tired all the time on low carb/no carb diets. Guess what? That's normal and your body adjusts.
yes yes, exactly^^^...... and one medical term ''hypo'' is put in place of 2 distinct scenario's when a specific feeling when taking a slin shot and crashing is not even remotely close to the other feeling.

Back to what i was saying if the feeling someone gets from low carb dieting is like the feeling you described then they are diabetics or else they would not get that specific feeling and very good point, if the feeling from dieting was the same tons of bodybuilders would be dropping like flies.
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« Reply #64 on: January 28, 2014, 01:35:54 PM »

Do any of them bother with injectable arginine?

Also, I've read that Hany Rambod eschews the use of caffeine or other stimulants pre-workout because they constrict blood vessels, impairing pump/bloodflow.  Does he actually do this with his clients?  Or just Flex magazine hype?
well i can not be certain on what Hany actually does but judging by Phil's face and more specific his eyes wide open while training, he is definitely on stimulants for his workouts 100%, contrast Phil's look to Victor's who does not take any stimulants during his workouts, at least it does not seem so, Victor looks half asleep lol.

Interesting point you bring up though, I will look into it cause you are right caffeine/ephedrine may diminish a pump, especially without the aspirin. I will also ask about injectable arginine.
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« Reply #65 on: January 28, 2014, 03:23:30 PM »

well i can not be certain on what Hany actually does but judging by Phil's face and more specific his eyes wide open while training, he is definitely on stimulants for his workouts 100%, contrast Phil's look to Victor's who does not take any stimulants during his workouts, at least it does not seem so, Victor looks half asleep lol.

Interesting point you bring up though, I will look into it cause you are right caffeine/ephedrine may diminish a pump, especially without the aspirin. I will also ask about injectable arginine.

I'm with you 100%, I think the increased intensity from stimulants totally offsets any negative effects from the vasoconstriction, but Hany even went so far as to make his pre-workout stimulant-free, so maybe he practices what he preaches.

As for Victor Martinez, I think his eyes just look closed because he's always high Grin
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