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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #700 on: February 11, 2016, 07:06:07 PM »
HA!...all of that is in your mind as I've said.....why would they be the group most hurt by voting for Hillary????????explain that...and you overestimate the power that black leaders have on blacks....same influence that white leaders have on whites...which is practically none

Because as a group, they are the poorest of our citizens.

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #701 on: February 11, 2016, 07:11:05 PM »
Because as a group, they are the poorest of our citizens.

and that won't change no matter whose elected

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« Reply #702 on: February 11, 2016, 07:15:02 PM »
and that won't change no matter whose elected

It certainly won't with her being elected, no question about that.

I'm not going to be able to watch the rest (will watch on video tomorrow).  But have you noticed all the man-hating females on this thing?  They go from the two "moderators" to some table with three other women to give "commentary".  WTF is up with that?

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« Reply #703 on: February 12, 2016, 06:40:21 AM »
It certainly won't with her being elected, no question about that.

I'm not going to be able to watch the rest (will watch on video tomorrow).  But have you noticed all the man-hating females on this thing?  They go from the two "moderators" to some table with three other women to give "commentary".  WTF is up with that?

man-hating females.....FUNNY! ;D

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« Reply #704 on: February 12, 2016, 08:49:40 AM »
Link to the PBS/Wisconsin debate:


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« Reply #705 on: February 12, 2016, 09:21:32 AM »
PBS’ Donor-Moderator Fails to Ask Hillary About Clinton Foundation

Hillary Clinton Dem Debate PBS (Morry Gash / Associated Press) Morry Gash / Associated Press
by JOEL B. POLLAK
11 Feb 2016

The PBS moderators at Thursday night’s Democratic debate failed to ask former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton any questions about the Clinton Foundation, despite news earlier in the day that the State Department had sent it a subpoena for documents about its activities during her tenure in office.

Co-moderator Judy Woodruff happens to be a donor to the Clinton Foundation, and faced criticism from the PBS ombudsman in 2015 for giving to the Clintons.

Woodruff is one of several journalists who has contributed to the Clinton Foundation, which has been criticized as a “slush fund” for the Clintons’ own expenses, rather than on direct giving to charitable programs.

PBS has covered the potential conflict of interest for Hillary Clinton, who has been accused of using her position as Secretary of State to direct donations to the foundation. Emails to that effect are suspected of being on her private email server.

The subpoena to the foundation from the State Department inspector general sought “documents about the charity’s projects that may have required approval from the federal government during Hillary Clinton’s term as secretary of state,” according to the Washington Post, which broke the story Thursday.

The subpoena also apparently sought information on Clinton aide Huma Abedin, “who for six months in 2012 was employed simultaneously by the State Department, the foundation, Clinton’s personal office, and a private consulting firm with ties to the Clintons.”

Neither Woodruff nor co-moderator Gwen Ifill broached the subject. Clinton’s rival, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)16%
, has also declined to criticize her for her emails and potential conflicts of interest.

Voters, however, have noticed. Exit polls from New Hampshire showed that 5% of Democrats saw Clinton as trustworthy, versus 93% for Sanders.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/11/dem-debate-avoids-questions-about-clinton-foundation/

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« Reply #706 on: February 12, 2016, 01:29:47 PM »
man-hating females.....FUNNY! ;D
The Clintons have a bit of a black problem.  Wonder if blacks know they used the term Super-Predators to describe their kids. hahaha


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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #707 on: February 15, 2016, 01:20:36 PM »
Was reading up on Sanders.  He is a lifelong socialist.  What's interesting is he actually isn't much different than Obama. He's just a lot more honest about his views and where he wants to take the country.  Doesn't make him any less dangerous, but at least he has more integrity than the president. 

Still, we really cannot afford to have another socialist in the White House.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

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« Reply #708 on: February 15, 2016, 01:24:05 PM »
What defeat? Despite NH loss, ‘super’ insiders give Clinton early delegate edge
By Kelley Beaucar Vlahos 
Published February 15, 2016 
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Hillary Clinton may claim she’s not part of the ‘establishment,’ but it’s party insiders who are giving her a substantial and early edge in the Democratic nomination battle – even after Bernie Sanders walloped her campaign in last week’s New Hampshire primary.

Thanks to the intricacies of the Democratic primary system, Clinton already has hundreds of so-called “superdelegates” in her corner. These are Democratic governors, lawmakers and other officials and party members who can back any candidate they want – and their vote counts at the convention just like delegates allocated based on the results of primaries and caucuses.

A reminder: It takes 2,382 delegates to win the nomination. With superdelegates alone, according to an Associated Press tally, Clinton starts out with 361 in her corner.

Clinton’s superdelegate edge created a peculiar situation in New Hampshire, and one that angered Sanders supporters. Though Sanders beat Clinton by 22 points, they both walked away with the same number of delegates – 15 apiece. The difference is, all of Sanders’ delegates were earned from his win. Clinton only won nine such “pledged” delegates – the other six were superdelegates who independently back her bid.

The outcome led to protests from progressive groups.

Online petitions from MoveOn.org and DIY RootsAction are drawing tens of thousands of signatures asking superdelegates to honor their constituents and support the candidate the people have voted for.

“Commit to honoring the voters -- let everyone know that you won’t allow your vote to defeat our votes. Announce that in the event of a close race, you’ll align yourself with regular voters -- not party elites,” says the petition at MoveOn.org.

For those who closely followed Clinton’s run against then-Sen. Barack Obama in 2008, it’s déjà vu all over again.

But as in 2008, the superdelegate support is fluid.

Though Sanders’ backers may cry foul that superdelegates are siding with the former secretary of state early, elections experts told FoxNews.com these party insiders could very well change their minds before the convention.

“The rules give [superdelegates] the latitude; they are unpledged delegates, they can go back and forth as much as they want to,” said Josh Putnam, a lecturer at the University of Georgia who runs the popular elections blog, FrontloadingHQ.

Clinton, for now, enjoys an edge going into most upcoming contests.

According to the AP tally, Clinton goes into this weekend’s Nevada caucuses with three superdelegates and into the upcoming South Carolina primary with two. She has 83 superdelegates in her corner going into Super Tuesday March 1.

As early as August, Clinton’s people were boasting they had secured as many as 440 unpledged delegates -- the Associated Press has confirmed she has 361 out of 712 so far.

Superdelegates will make up 15 percent of the total delegate count at the Democratic National Convention. That total is actually down from 2008 when superdelegates constituted 20 percent and the same questions were raised during the primary battle between then-Sen. Barack Obama and Clinton.

Putnam said the superdelegates were instituted by the party in the early 1980’s in response to Democrats’ concern that the predominance of pledged delegates – those tied to votes – was leading to the grassroots-driven nomination of unelectable candidates. This followed the unsuccessful campaign of George McGovern in 1972 and Jimmy Carter’s one-term presidency after that.

“They felt the need to give the party a bit more say in that to make sure someone more electable would emerge, if need be,” he said. “It’s a backstop, more or less.”

On the other hand, the Republican Party has superdelegates, too, but in 2012 the party changed the rules to bind all delegates based on the outcome of presidential primaries and caucuses.

Clinton loyalist and former Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell defended the system, suggesting the 361 superdelegates are backing Clinton because they believe Sanders is unelectable.

"I think because of the superdelegates who cast their vote based on electability have serious doubts whether Bernie Sanders could be electable once the GOP starts campaigning against him and putting ads against him,” he told NBC News.

When told there was a mini-uproar over the prospect of Clinton walking away with the same amount of delegates after Sanders “crushed her” in New Hampshire, Rendell said simply: “It's the same system that nominated Barack Obama.”

There is the rub, said Daniel Smith, politics professor at University of Florida. By the time the convention opened in 2008, Obama was winning primaries and had captured all undecided superdelegates and defectors from Clinton.

In other words, it didn’t matter that she had been scooping up superdelegates early in that race.

In this case, it could end up hurting her anyway.

“Having superdelegates in the bag doesn’t necessarily help Clinton’s optics for shaking up D.C.," Smith said. “Certainly it’s important, but it can be flipped around. Here is an establishment candidate and she has the supporters, but is she really listening to the folks on the ground? This is something Bernie Sanders can exploit.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/15/what-defeat-despite-nh-loss-super-insiders-give-clinton-early-delegate-edge.html?intcmp=hpbt3

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #709 on: February 15, 2016, 01:25:17 PM »
Was reading up on Sanders.  He is a lifelong socialist.  What's interesting is he actually isn't much different than Obama. He's just a lot more honest about his views and where he wants to take the country.  Doesn't make him any less dangerous, but at least he has more integrity than the president. 

Still, we really cannot afford to have another socialist in the White House.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

He is very much different than Obama.  If you want to identify someone who is much like Obama, look at Hilary or anyone on the Republican debate stage except for Trump.

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« Reply #710 on: February 15, 2016, 01:27:20 PM »
He is very much different than Obama.  If you want to identify someone who is much like Obama, look at Hilary or anyone on the Republican debate stage except for Trump.

How is he different?  No love for the military.  Was a draft dodger.  Class warfare.  Wants the government to essentially control the private sector.  Pretty much zero experience in the private sector.  Sounds the same to me. 

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« Reply #711 on: February 15, 2016, 02:00:28 PM »
How is he different?  No love for the military.  Was a draft dodger.  Class warfare.  Wants the government to essentially control the private sector.  Pretty much zero experience in the private sector.  Sounds the same to me. 

They have completely opposite views on the single biggest issue facing our country and our future, which is trade.

The fact that one is corporate-financed and the other is not, might clue someone in.

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« Reply #712 on: February 15, 2016, 02:08:25 PM »
They have completely opposite views on the single biggest issue facing our country and our future, which is trade.

The fact that one is corporate-financed and the other is not, might clue someone in.

Well we definitely disagree about whether trade is the single biggest issue facing our country. 

The fact Sanders is not "corporate-financed" is good and bad.  It's good that he's not beholden to big money.  It's bad because he has demonized the "corporations."  He is an enemy of business.  Business is the backbone of our economy.  In that regard, he is President Obama's twin. 

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« Reply #713 on: February 15, 2016, 02:18:30 PM »
Well we definitely disagree about whether trade is the single biggest issue facing our country.  

The fact Sanders is not "corporate-financed" is good and bad.  It's good that he's not beholden to big money.  It's bad because he has demonized the "corporations."  He is an enemy of business.  Business is the backbone of our economy.  In that regard, he is President Obama's twin.  

If Obama is their enemy, how is it that Wall Street loves him so much?

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« Reply #714 on: February 15, 2016, 02:23:40 PM »
If Obama is their enemy, how is it that Wall Street loves him so much?

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Wall Street doesn't love him.  Wall Street (and everyone else) gives money to whomever is in power to try and buy influence. 

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« Reply #715 on: February 15, 2016, 02:29:43 PM »
Wall Street doesn't love him.  Wall Street (and everyone else) gives money to whomever is in power to try and buy influence. 

That's what Bernie is trying to stop.  It's the entire point.

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« Reply #716 on: February 15, 2016, 02:31:24 PM »
Well we definitely disagree about whether trade is the single biggest issue facing our country. 

The fact Sanders is not "corporate-financed" is good and bad.  It's good that he's not beholden to big money.  It's bad because he has demonized the "corporations."  He is an enemy of business.  Business is the backbone of our economy.  In that regard, he is President Obama's twin. 

Actually Obama is the best thing that ever happened to business and Wall Street......Corporate profits have NEVER been so high.....the TTP trade agreement will open up Asian markets big time to U.S. business and will bring down tariffs and barriers to our goods.....also..he has opened up Cuba for our businesses...they can't wait to get over there and start making money

he's nothing like Sanders

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Re: Presidential Candidates 2016: 10 Democrats Who Might Be the Next Nominee
« Reply #717 on: February 15, 2016, 02:32:25 PM »
The Clintons have a bit of a black problem.  Wonder if blacks know they used the term Super-Predators to describe their kids. hahaha



who cares?..that makes them no different than everyone else who says the same things in private

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« Reply #718 on: February 15, 2016, 02:34:32 PM »
That's what Bernie is trying to stop.  It's the entire point.

That's not the entire point.  He wants the government to control the private sector. 

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« Reply #719 on: February 15, 2016, 02:36:46 PM »
Actually Obama is the best thing that ever happened to business and Wall Street......Corporate profits have NEVER been so high.....the TTP trade agreement will open up Asian markets big time to U.S. business and will bring down tariffs and barriers to our goods.....also..he has opened up Cuba for our businesses...they can't wait to get over there and start making money

he's nothing like Sanders

Precisely how is Obama responsible for increased corporate profits? 

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« Reply #720 on: February 15, 2016, 02:38:02 PM »
Actually Obama is the best thing that ever happened to business and Wall Street......Corporate profits have NEVER been so high.....the TTP trade agreement will open up Asian markets big time to U.S. business and will bring down tariffs and barriers to our goods.....also..he has opened up Cuba for our businesses...they can't wait to get over there and start making money

he's nothing like Sanders

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« Reply #721 on: February 15, 2016, 02:44:01 PM »
That's not the entire point.  He wants the government to control the private sector. 

Can you describe a specific threat that you see and fear?

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« Reply #722 on: February 15, 2016, 04:26:17 PM »
Can you describe a specific threat that you see and fear?

You mean other than wanting the government to control the private sector? 

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« Reply #723 on: February 15, 2016, 04:40:02 PM »
You mean other than wanting the government to control the private sector? 

No.  If that's your fear or concern, I want to know about it.  Give me an example of a specific problem you may have considered.

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« Reply #724 on: February 15, 2016, 04:45:07 PM »
No.  If that's your fear or concern, I want to know about it.  Give me an example of a specific problem you may have considered.

I just did.  Twice.