So after eating 90% clean for the last 4 months, I ate a McDs Double QP...

[The True Adonis]

of course it's still an opinion and that was just one example

sheesh, you need learn when to fold when you're wrong

Its not an opinion.

People who believe in the bible and use it as justification for their beliefs see it as FACT (albeit wrong).  A religious person does not think their bible is a book of opinions.

How do you not know this?

[Thick Nick]

TA, serious question, and I'm truly not trying to take a stab at you.  Have you ever been diagnosed with any type of psychological disorder?  You seem to have all the characteristics of Aspergers.  Furthermore, over the years you've displayed manic depressive behaviors.  One day you're super friendly and down to earth, and the next day (IE, your displays in this thread), you're freaking out on everyone.  Name calling, cursing, you're wrong / I'm right, you = moron, etc.

Do psychological disorders run in your family?  

^This.

[Twaddle]

Never have been depressed a day in my life.  I call them how I see them.  If I want to call you a moron, I will.  If you post something I think is bullshit, I will let you know.  Nothing has ever changed.

Adam, what you're currently experiencing is a "manic state".  I highly recommend you go see a doctor as soon as possible.  I'm only trying to help you by telling you this. 

[Straw Man]

I don`t have to do the stovetop method to realize its inferior.  Why don`t you pose the question to J. Kenji Lopez Alt, an expert on both methods?  (he chooses the Beer Cooler method)

so you've never even tried it

that's exactly what I thought

the stove top method clearly works just fine and obviously there are other ways to do it too

no issue with fluctuating heat and no need to babysit and no need for me to buy a cooler, especially just when I'm fooling around

we're still back to your personal issue of having to be seen as authority figure and expert at all times

that's a bizarre personality trait

added to that bizarre trait was your weird BELIEF that I was somehow trying to PWN my brother

You don't know me or him, you didn't see our messages back and forth about this topic but you you just KNEW I was trying to PWN him

I have to say I find that even more bizarre than you need to be seen as an expert about everything

Lots of weird issues going on here

[Straw Man]

Its not an opinion.

People who believe in the bible and use it as justification for their beliefs see it as FACT (albeit wrong).  A religious person does not think their bible is a book of opinions.

How do you not know this?

still an opinion

just because it's based on the bible doesn't miraculously turn it into a fact

wtf man

this is just stupid

[The True Adonis]

Adam, what you're currently experiencing is a "manic state".  I highly recommend you go see a doctor as soon as possible.  I'm only trying to help you by telling you this. 

Ok.  I will tell them Twaddle sent me. An appointment will be made tomorrow.

[Twaddle]

Ok.  I will tell them Twaddle sent me. An appointment will be made tomorrow.

Good man.  Furthermore, you should show your doctor this thread.  I think it would explain a lot to him in your diagnosis.  You're welcome.   

[The True Adonis]

so you've never even tried it

that's exactly what I thought

the stove top method clearly works just fine and obviously there are other ways to do it too

no issue with fluctuating heat and no need to babysit and no need for me to buy a cooler, especially just when I'm fooling around

we're still back to your personal issue of having to be seen as authority figure and expert at all times

that's a bizarre personality trait

added to that bizarre trait was your weird BELIEF that I was somehow trying to PWN my brother

You don't know me or him, you didn't see our messages back and forth about this topic but you you just KNEW I was trying to PWN him

I have to say I find that even more bizarre than you need to be seen as an expert about everything

Lots of weird issues going on here

If it was about me, I wouldn`t be accused of "copy and pasting" information (which is not a negative thing at all) and try to pass all of this off as my own invention or experimentation or article writing.  

Hope this helps.

[Straw Man]

If it was about me, I wouldn`t be accused of "copy and pasting" information (which is not a negative thing at all) and try to pass all of this off as my own invention or experimentation or article writing.  

Hope this helps.

not only does it not help

it doesn't even make any sense

[The True Adonis]

still an opinion

just because it's based on the bible doesn't miraculously turn it into a fact

wtf man

this is just stupid

Again,

The people who base their lives around the bible and use it to influence their beliefs see it as a fact.  You claim its an opinion.  Its not an opinion to them, its the end all.  You really think that Religious people think the bible is just an opinion?  

They use the bible, what they perceive as facts-the word of god- to justify why they think homosexuality is a sin.  Its not their opinion.  Now they may hold a negative opinion about gays, but when they use the bible to justify it, they think they are using fact.

[The True Adonis]

not only does it not help

it doesn't even make any sense

Of course it does.  If I was trying to be The Worlds Best Expert, I would never post any sourced material, I would never credit anyone or post any article or link to any sites or mention any books, documents, news stories, papers, videos etc...  I would try to pass it all off as my own doing.  I don`t do that.  I am more concerned with the information being disseminated.

Are you really too stupid to separate the information I provide from myself?

Then you will just claim, like Republicans and Religious people do, "you weren`t the one who invented the Beer Cooler, You weren`t the one sequencing Genomes etc.... so therefore the information must be false" and on and on and on.

As I stated earlier, you and the Shitbrain Republicans as well as Religious have a lot in common.  Why you do this, I have no clue.

[The True Adonis]

Good man.  Furthermore, you should show your doctor this thread.  I think it would explain a lot to him in your diagnosis.  You're welcome.   

I will keep you updated.

[Straw Man]

Of course it does.  If I was trying to be The Worlds Best Expert, I would never post any sourced material, I would never credit anyone or post any article or link to any sites or mention any books, documents, news stories, papers, videos etc...  I would try to pass it all off as my own doing.  I don`t do that.  I am more concerned with the information being disseminated.

Are you really too stupid to separate the information I provide from myself?

Then you will just claim, like Republicans and Religious people do, "you weren`t the one who invented the Beer Cooler, You weren`t the one sequencing Genomes etc.... so therefore the information must be false" and on and on and on.

As I stated earlier, you and the Shitbrain Republicans as well as Religious have a lot in common.  Why you do this, I have no clue.

go back and re-read your posts on this thread and then we'll talk (try to take notice about how you're melting down, calling people names, getting defensive etc.. rather than calmly arguing for your point of view).  Honestly, you should re-read what you write before you post because you sound incoherent half the time.

here is your first post about the beer cooler

Use a Beer Cooler.  On the stove is stupid.

Your recipe is retarded if it told you to sear once in the beginning and once in the end.  It should be done at the end of cooking in a water bath.

Notice how you don't mention anyone and just attack and insult (and that's after watching a professional chef use a different method which for some stupid reason you call "my recipe")

Let's also keep in mind that this was completely out of left field on your part as I had made no claims of culinary talent, etc..

And then of course you go nuts making assumptions about me and my brother when you don't know either of us

I hope you do take  Twaddles advise because I think you not only have mental issues but some pretty serious emotional issues as well

just curious, were you an only child?

[The True Adonis]

go back and re-read your posts on this thread and then we'll talk (try to take notice about how you're melting down, calling people names, getting defensive etc.. rather than calmly arguing for your point of view).  Honestly, you should re-read what you write before you post because you sound incoherent half the time.

here is your first post about the beer cooler

Notice how you don't mention anyone and just attack and insult (and that's after watching a professional chef use a different method which for some stupid reason you call "my recipe")

Let's also keep in mind that this was completely out of left field on your part as I had made no claims of culinary talent, etc..

And then of course you go nuts making assumptions about me and my brother when you don't know either of us

I hope you do take  Twaddles advise because I think you not only have mental issues but some pretty serious emotional issues as well

just curious, were you an only child?

The stovetop method is shit as outlined previously.

I don`t want to be civil.  I like to make personal attacks sometimes.  Its amusing to me and I do it frequently.  I have always done this.  I see no harm in doing so and if you are offended, all the better.

Hope this helps.

[The True Adonis]

go back and re-read your posts on this thread and then we'll talk (try to take notice about how you're melting down, calling people names, getting defensive etc.. rather than calmly arguing for your point of view).  Honestly, you should re-read what you write before you post because you sound incoherent half the time.

here is your first post about the beer cooler

Notice how you don't mention anyone and just attack and insult (and that's after watching a professional chef use a different method which for some stupid reason you call "my recipe")

Let's also keep in mind that this was completely out of left field on your part as I had made no claims of culinary talent, etc..

And then of course you go nuts making assumptions about me and my brother when you don't know either of us

I hope you do take  Twaddles advise because I think you not only have mental issues but some pretty serious emotional issues as well

just curious, were you an only child?

Oh, so I am supposed to fit all information in one post now?  

You posted that pathetic piece of meat without any explanation.  You were trying to show your "prowess" initially.  Why did you post that picture?

[TheShape]

Where are yours?

I squatted 470 last week ATG.  What You?

I asked what your legs looked like not your numbers.

[Straw Man]

The stovetop method is shit as outlined previously.

I don`t want to be civil.  I like to make personal attacks sometimes.  Its amusing to me and I do it frequently.  I have always done this.  I see no harm in doing so and if you are offended, all the better.

Hope this helps.

outlined where ?

certainly not in your first attack/response on page 7 where you just attacked without any rationale

you also attacked the chefs method of pre-searing and yet later couldn't refute all the benefits of pre-searing and the only conclusion in the link you chose to support your position came the the conclusion/opinion that it made no difference in taste in the final product (hardly a damning condemnation and still didn't address the other benefits which I posted)

[The True Adonis]

outlined where ?

certainly not in your first attack/response on page 7 where you just attacked without any rationale

you also attacked the chefs method of pre-searing and yet later couldn't refute all the benefits of pre-searing and the only conclusion in the link you chose to support your position came the the conclusion/opinion that it made no difference in taste in the final product (hardly a damning condemnation and still didn't address the other benefits which I posted)

Reread the thread.  There are no benefits of pre-searing.  Please read

[The True Adonis]

outlined where ?

certainly not in your first attack/response on page 7 where you just attacked without any rationale

you also attacked the chefs method of pre-searing and yet later couldn't refute all the benefits of pre-searing and the only conclusion in the link you chose to support your position came the the conclusion/opinion that it made no difference in taste in the final product (hardly a damning condemnation and still didn't address the other benefits which I posted)

Here is a fact for you:
At 122°F there are no bacteria that are pathogenic (cause illness) to humans that survive.  There goes your bacteria concern (myth)

[Roger Bacon]

Here is a fact for you:
At 122°F there are no bacteria that are pathogenic (cause illness) to humans that survive.  There goes your bacteria concern (myth)

That low? I had no idea

That's good, I would go rarer but im always concerned with bacteria.  That's might be why I was sticking to 140F.

[Straw Man]

Reread the thread.  There are no benefits of pre-searing.  Please read

just go back and bump your post where you claimed to outline it

your need to appear to be an expert by attacking everyone else is just pathetic and obvious and frankly embarrassing.

why do you have this need to attempt to elevate yourself as some kind of authority figure by attacking others

it's a very odd behaviour for an adult

seriously dude - there are some obvious emotional issues going on here

[The True Adonis]

just go back and bump your post where you claimed to outline it

your need to appear to be an expert by attacking everyone else is just pathetic and obvious and frankly embarrassing.

why do you have this need to attempt to elevate yourself as some kind of authority figure by attacking others

it's a very odd behaviour for an adult

seriously dude - there are some obvious emotional issues going on here

No matter how badly you want this to be about me, it isn`t.

Facts are facts.  Care to refute the 122 degree pathogen?

[The True Adonis]

That low? I had no idea

That's good, I would go rarer but im always concerned with bacteria.  That's might be why I was sticking to 140F.

Yeah, you should have no worries.  You can even eat raw as long as the bacteria is not present, not that I would do that, but its doable.

There was a guy in here, Lifetime Natural named Swedish Viking with a great physique that would eat all his beef, chicken and fish raw.  He didn`t cook anything.  Do a search.  He was/is an interesting fella with a hell of a physique.


At 122 degrees, searing is not even necessary to kill bacteria.  Its done for taste.

[The True Adonis]

Roger, here is a picture of Swedish Viking on this site who is a lifetime natural who did not cook his beef, fish or chicken.  Ate it all raw. 

[Shockwave]

Roger, here is a picture of Swedish Viking on this site who is a lifetime natural who did not cook his beef, fish or chicken.  Ate it all raw. 

dude was a fucking savage