I feel like shit-but "Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels"

[Ace]

Just do whats right for you, fuck other people looking.
I get stares all the time with my elastic bands, fuck em, I look way better than they do.

Agreed

[Mr Nobody]

Blazers.

[Army of One]

I can't believe someone actually sat there getting the data then made this graph

[Simple Simon]

simon

to be fair.

i never said one cant have refeed if over 10%,i just said they shoudnt.

its not necesary, and when on gear, and too fat(when i say 12% is too fat,i always mean the estrogen shocks a 12% person will have on too many calories), its no good, there will be too much estrogen production, i cited a study on this in other thread.

"estrogen resistency" on gear only gets good when very lean.

thats why i say this.

i mean, ppl can have reffeds every day if they want, i dont care, or they can do adonis diet and live on arimidex, theres many ways.

Its just if he wants the best from your diet he shouldnt have the re-feeds until below 10
Thats what i was actually getting at.
Following my diet he can have a re-feed meal 4 days into the diet each week regardless of bf%

[galeniko]

Its just if he wants the best from your diet he shouldnt have the re-feeds until below 10
Thats what i was actually getting at.
Following my diet he can have a re-feed meal 4 days into the diet each week regardless of bf%

ah yes true.

btw another thing, however ppl dont realy car emuch about this until its too late, is that fatties on steroids will have very bad blood pressure issue if they chea ton diet.

junior, yes steroids change many small factors.
 
it adds up

[Simple Simon]

Serious questions simon, how will the introduction of 250mg Test Enanthate affect my current diet?

Will it increase my appetite and make it harder to diet?

Doesnt effect me either way.
No idea what it will do to you.

[Simple Simon]

I am not worried about blood pressure because actually I have low blood pressure, always like 90/63 etc like that, sometimes it get's worse from dieting and goes lower even, always get head rushes all the time.

So with the test 250mg a week, it will make my appetite go up or down or stay same?

Generally appetite is increased, however everyone is different
It doesn't effect my appetite at all.

[Simple Simon]

Can someone flip the pic around, fucking thing always comes up sideways I don't know why???

leave it side on it will look worse flipped.   

Thick skin???
Nah, just water and fat.

[Cleanest Natural]

Can someone flip the pic around, fucking thing always comes up sideways I don't know why???

I have the same issue sometimes. I would not worry about size until I am finished with everything. First, I shed the fat off just with strict dieting. Then you go on hormones AND fatburners. This way you look better and better by the day. You get that look with little fat to none, full muscles and vascular

[Simple Simon]

I have the same issue sometimes. I would not worry about size until I am finished with everything. First, I shed the fat off just with strict dieting. Then you go on hormones AND fatburners. This way you look better and better by the day. You get that look with little fat to none, full muscles and vascular

FFS its not about you.

[Simple Simon]

He is cool Simon be nice to him I value both your advices

I know, hes just so insecure he needs to shoehorn his in shape photos in every thread, fact is he has only looked like that for 6 weeks in the last 20 years.

[Cleanest Natural]

FFS its not about you.

You can add your advices and second them with photos. Why don't you do that? You keep bickering like an old chubby vegan virgin with cats.

[Cleanest Natural]

I know, hes just so insecure he needs to shoehorn his in shape photos in every thread, fact is he has only looked like that for 6 weeks in the last 20 years.

The photo shows how you grow and change after 3 weeks on hormones and burners after being about 20 lbs skinnier 21 days prior. People understand better this way. Try it..

[Cleanest Natural]

Yeah ok bro, the diet for sure, just saying you will be quite surprised how they end up looking after I water deplete.

Maybe I will do 1mg Arimidex from tomorrow and you will see how they look like only after 10 days, its fucking weird how the vascularity comes out all of a sudden so its not as much fat as it looks.

no arimidex, no water depletion, just a solid strict diet untill all the fat comes off. Then, at 6-7% bodyfat, you jump on a stack and fatburners. In about 6-8 weeks you will have the body you dream of .. the polar opposite of your cowboy hat pic if you will.

[Simple Simon]

who fucking cares you guys need to make a truce seriously its getting boring now all this fucking bickering all the time

I think you may be better suited to Bodybuilding.com

[Cleanest Natural]

I think you may be better suited to Bodybuilding.com

You are annoying and bring nothing of value. If you have any helpful input, you should do it now. Otherwise it'll be too late and your parents will yell at you again for staying up late.

[Cleanest Natural]

Thank dude, trust me I am ON IT, so motivated right now, one track mind!

I am the same way when I do my transformations. Very focused. Make a hobby out of it and it'll be a pleasant and interesting journey.

[Simple Simon]

You are annoying and bring nothing of value. If you have any helpful input, you should do it now. Otherwise it'll be too late and your parents will yell at you again for staying up late.

Read the thread , I have added value.

[temple_of_dis]

I feel like killing people more than even when I am ona caloric deficit.

I can only lose wieght with massive running regimen.

[galeniko]

Generally appetite is increased, however everyone is different
It doesn't effect my appetite at all.

yah, just small addition
a natural who just jumped on for first time, will suddenly get much stronger than ever before,the workouts will be harder and ppl will be more sore, this might trigger big and somewhat misleading apetite attacks.

can go both ways some have increased apetite some dont.

junior, gear is no magic thing or anything,its just a baseline supplement that has to be in.it does no sudden wonders.

theres not much to say, just train hard and smart, eat smart and give it time.

[Primemuscle]

Can someone flip the pic around, fucking thing always comes up sideways I don't know why???

Here you go.

[Natural Beast]

u should start taking gear

[galeniko]

16inchers, thats 40cms, hm my arms arent much bigger than that,relatively, when shredded


and hell yes theres a fair deal of bloat on them.

get on gear asap, free yourself from that misery

[ChristopherA]

I have the same issue sometimes. I would not worry about size until I am finished with everything. First, I shed the fat off just with strict dieting. Then you go on hormones AND fatburners. This way you look better and better by the day. You get that look with little fat to none, full muscles and vascular

Best advice, same thing I have said. Until you have cycled when you are truly lean, you don't realize how much better it will make you respond. And then, at least with me, I can almost cheat on my diet every day and it makes no diff. But you have to get down to at least 8% bf first

[Ace]

16inchers, thats 40cms, hm my arms arent much bigger than that,relatively, when shredded


and hell yes theres a fair deal of bloat on them.

get on gear asap, free yourself from that misery

There's a big difference between a 16 inch ripped arm vs. a 16 inch fat/bloated arm, very big difference. I'd say that a 16 inch fat/bloated arm ends up becoming a 14 inch ripped arm, once one get ripped up.