I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote

[tu_holmes]

What's your point? We could expand voting even further and allow kids to vote. Is that even better?

Everyone votes in their own self interest... or at least they THINK they do.

You have people in the middle of kentucky on welfare voting republican who would cut them off, but really, they THINK they are voting for their own interests... Who doesn't vote that way?

[Roger Bacon]

We really do need more poor and uneducated people voting who couldn't even run their own life properly.

The fact that democrats are so concerned about getting these people out to vote says a lot.

[tu_holmes]

We really do need more poor and uneducated people voting who couldn't even run their own life properly.

The fact that democrats are so concerned about getting these people out to vote says a lot.

Republicans want those votes too, don't let anyone fool you.

[Tedim]

We really do need more poor and uneducated people voting who couldn't even run their own life properly.

The fact that democrats are so concerned about getting these people out to vote says a lot.

It says it all....plebs SHOULD NOT VOTE!

[Tedim]

The world should embrace stupid lazy people voting for self interest only......oh wait that doesn't work for long.

[Roger Bacon]

Everyone votes in their own self interest... or at least they THINK they do.

You have people in the middle of kentucky on welfare voting republican who would cut them off, but really, they THINK they are voting for their own interests... Who doesn't vote that way?

As far as voting goes, my self interest is preserving the country our founding fathers built.

I have very different self interests than the democratic voters that (have cell phones and new tennis shoes Jordans but) can't make it down to the DMV for an ID.

[Soul Crusher]

Blacken straw licker vince and obama should be banned from voting

[tu_holmes]

As far as voting goes, my self interest is preserving the country our founding fathers built.

I have very different self interests than the democratic voters that (have cell phones and new tennis shoes Jordans but) can't make it down to the DMV for an ID.

I have different self interests than democratic AND republicans.

[tonymctones]

I see you forgot to include that data in your post.....once again

As recently as the governor race in Virginia last year you had pundit saying that Cuccinelli could win if only the turn out was low enough (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/03/VA-Analyst-Low-Turnout-Election-Will-Help-Cuccinelli)

I'd like to see Repubs and Dems come together at a National Level and get committed to INCREASING voter turnout (i.e. we should have as much of our population participating in our elections)

They could easily do this by creating a national voter registry which you are automatically entered into when you turn 18

Do you think Repubs would be in favor of this?

How about Dems?

LMFAO ok moron...let me spell it out for your obvious libtard dumb ass...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/148745/political-ideology-stable-conservatives-leading.aspx

THIS IS NATIONALLY NOT IN SOME RANDOM STATE THAT SUPPORTS YOUR STUPIDTY!!!

[tonymctones]

any fucking commment dumb ass???

[tonymctones]

Everyone votes in their own self interest... or at least they THINK they do.

You have people in the middle of kentucky on welfare voting republican who would cut them off, but really, they THINK they are voting for their own interests... Who doesn't vote that way?

thats the point tu, if you arent contributing to the overall fund of the country you shouldnt be voting.

Its basic...if you are a net drag on society you can vote to become a bigger net drag so you shouldnt be able to vote

[Roger Bacon]

thats the point tu, if you arent contributing to the overall fund of the country you shouldnt be voting.

Its basic...if you are a net drag on society you can vote to become a bigger net drag so you shouldnt be able to vote

It's a conflict of interest, especially for people on public assistance programs.

It's the same reason public employee unions shouldn't exist, you shouldn't be able to vote for your own raise.

[tonymctones]

It's a conflict of interest, especially for people on public assistance programs.

It's the same reason public employee unions shouldn't exist, you shouldn't be able to vote for your own raise.

exactly even obammers thinks that "everybody should have some skin in the game" of course in his libtard mind by "skin in the game" he means that some people should be taking skin and other should be giving it up...

[tonymctones]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/11/obama-everybody-going-have-sacrifice-something/?page=all

“Everybody is going to have to give. Everybody is going to have to have some skin in the game,” Mr. Obama said

would anyone care to tell me what skin those who are a net drag on society have in the game?

[Roger Bacon]

exactly even obammers thinks that "everybody should have some skin in the game" of course in his libtard mind by "skin in the game" he means that some people should be taking skin and other should be giving it up...

lol.... yes

[Tedim]

My requirements to vote...

1. 25 years of age

2. Must pass very basic civics test before each vote every time....i.e. Three branches of government, US constitution Bill of Rights etc IN ENGLISH!

3. Must be US citizen with Federal Voting ID card Issued by the local FBI office!

4. Must not be receiving any Federal/State welfare assistance...local OK as is private

5. Must have paid taxes in the previous year or had taxable income

6. Must sign affidavit stating you are eligible to vote.... and be aware of mandatory 5 year incarceration if you purger yourself.

All these I would gladly do myself, so no special treatment.

bump

[tonymctones]

actually, many states make it quite difficult to get the "required" form of  ID, especially if you live in a rural area and don't own a car

here is a long list of other examples of people who had difficulty voting (or could not vote) due to these types of laws

again, if the laws were written with great latitude for various alternatives forms of ID then it might be fine (but of course that would defeat the purpose of the laws which are designed to reduce voter turnout)

http://www.lawyerscommittee.org/page?id=0046

more difficult than buying insurance that you cannot afford?

LMFAO funny how you are for forcing people to buy insurance but think its prohibitive to make people obtian an id to vote...

libtard logic at work folks!!!

[tonymctones]

how about we do this...

We dont make it a law that you have to have a govt id to vote BUT!!!!!! we create a tax that says if you dont have one you have to pay a penalty???

I mean that is right in line with the libtard thinking in obamacare!!!

who could disagree?

[tonymctones]

bump

I think not being a net drag on society would suffice, something I do myself so no special treatment here...

[tu_holmes]

It's a conflict of interest, especially for people on public assistance programs.

It's the same reason public employee unions shouldn't exist, you shouldn't be able to vote for your own raise.

Fair point.

But then I ask. Who is the drain?

Is there a limit of drain we allow?

For instance. People who get tax returns and effectively pay zero taxes.

Are they a drain?

[RRKore]

So, they can't get ID.  Nothing is stopping them.  

Dude, do you know realize how much this sounds like "Let them eat cake"?

[StreetSoldier4U]

Dude, do you know realize how much this sounds like "Let them eat cake"?

It doesn't at all.  Obtaining ID is easy and inexpensive. No one is preventing anyone from getting ID.    Voting is an important right that needs to be safe guarded from fraud.   

[jjbones]

We really do need more poor and uneducated people voting who couldn't even run their own life properly.

The fact that democrats are so concerned about getting these people out to vote says a lot.

Very well put

[tonymctones]

Dude, do you know realize how much this sounds like "Let them eat cake"?

why not make it like obamacare?

where you can still vote but if you dont have an id you pay a "penalty" otherwise known as a tax.

[Irongrip400]

My requirements to vote...

1. 25 years of age

2. Must pass very basic civics test before each vote every time....i.e. Three branches of government, US constitution Bill of Rights etc IN ENGLISH!

3. Must be US citizen with Federal Voting ID card Issued by the local FBI office!

4. Must not be receiving any Federal/State welfare assistance...local OK as is private

5. Must have paid taxes in the previous year or had taxable income

6. Must sign affidavit stating you are eligible to vote.... and be aware of mandatory 5 year incarceration if you purger yourself.

All these I would gladly do myself, so no special treatment.

Exactly why I started this thread. I like you dude, you think rationally.