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RRKore

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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #125 on: February 15, 2014, 03:14:48 PM »
Quote from: StreetSoldier4U on February 15, 2014, 03:09:21 PM
Hyperbole and nonsense.  You're creating a delusional scenario to support your position. As I said, you're coming from a purely emotional place. 

Delusional how?  You don't mean to say that you doubt that desperately poor seniors don't exist in this country, do you? 

You went to Michigan State?  Isn't Detroit in Michigan? 

How are seniors doing there?
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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #126 on: February 15, 2014, 03:17:36 PM »
Quote from: RRKore on February 15, 2014, 03:14:48 PM
Delusional how?  You don't mean to say that you doubt that desperately poor seniors don't exist in this country, do you? 

You went to Michigan State?  Isn't Detroit in Michigan? 

How are seniors doing there?

Of course their are destitute seniors but the reality is that not all people without ID are little old ladies like you claim.   If you want to help your little old ladies you are free to do so as a private citizen.  Nothing is stopping you from volunteering to assist people obtain IDs
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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #127 on: February 15, 2014, 03:23:39 PM »
As a matter of fact a state ID in Michigan is only ten bucks and it's free for anyone 65 and up.  Many states are like that.
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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #128 on: February 15, 2014, 03:24:19 PM »
Quote from: StreetSoldier4U on February 15, 2014, 03:17:36 PM
Of course their are destitute seniors but the reality is that not all people without ID are little old ladies like you claim.   If you want to help your little old ladies you are free to do so as a private citizen.  Nothing is stopping you from volunteering to assist people obtain IDs

True.  What's stopping the gov't, though?
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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #129 on: February 15, 2014, 03:26:59 PM »
Quote from: StreetSoldier4U on February 15, 2014, 03:23:39 PM
As a matter of fact a state ID in Michigan is only ten bucks and it's free for anyone 65 and up.  Many states are like that.

Honestly, that's great.  However...

Is transportation to the DMV free also?   And are fees (for finding documents) waived if destitute folks don't have the documents they need?
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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #130 on: February 15, 2014, 03:32:55 PM »
Quote from: RRKore on February 15, 2014, 03:26:59 PM
Honestly, that's great.  However...

Is transportation to the DMV free also?   And are fees (for finding documents) waived if destitute folks don't have the documents they need?

That's were you become involved.  You can donate your time to transport these people and help them with documentation.  You said you wanted to help.
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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #131 on: February 15, 2014, 03:36:59 PM »
Quote from: StreetSoldier4U on February 15, 2014, 03:32:55 PM
That's were you become involved.  You can donate your time to transport these people and help them with documentation.  You said you wanted to help.

Trollin', trollin', trollin'
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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #132 on: February 15, 2014, 03:38:11 PM »
Quote from: RRKore on February 15, 2014, 03:36:59 PM
Trollin', trollin', trollin'

You said you wanted to help.  I gave you a solution.
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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #133 on: February 15, 2014, 03:43:32 PM »
Quote from: blacken700 on February 15, 2014, 02:45:21 PM
Pennsylvania’s GOP chairman, Rob Gleason, is pleased with how effective Voter ID laws were in the 2012 election. Despite President Obama’s victory, Gleason believes the laws did what they were designed to do When asked by a Pennsylvania cable news reporter earlier this week if the laws affected last year’s elections, Gleason responded: “I think we had a better election. Think about this: we cut Obama by 5 percent…I think Voter ID helped a bit in that.”

Probably discouraged all the dead people from voting.....having to show ID in rigor is quite difficult.
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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #134 on: February 15, 2014, 03:43:46 PM »
Quote from: StreetSoldier4U on February 15, 2014, 03:38:11 PM
You said you wanted to help.  I gave you a solution.

Soulja keeps on trollin'
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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #135 on: February 15, 2014, 03:45:19 PM »
Quote from: RRKore on February 15, 2014, 03:43:46 PM
Soulja keeps on trollin'

So you don't want help?  You'd rather complain on an internet message board instead of getting off your ass and addressing a problem you believe exists?

And I'm a actual soldier.
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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #136 on: February 15, 2014, 04:35:07 PM »
Quote from: Tedim on February 15, 2014, 09:40:45 AM
You like me for my big trucks....and huge dumpsters  :D

Did you get the info?

I did, thanks, I'll probably try and set something up where I check out your facility. I was alarmed however, at the lack of information on what is the best thong to wear while hitting a "crab most muscular"  :D
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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #137 on: February 15, 2014, 04:50:38 PM »
Quote from: RRKore on February 15, 2014, 03:05:14 PM
I think it's a pretty good comparison though slightly exaggerated.  (Exaggerated because it probably IS slightly easier for even a poor 80-year old catfood-eating senior to get to the DMV and buy an ID  than it was for famished french peasants who had no bread to eat to get some cake instead.)


BTW, at Michigan State they don't know the difference between "You're" and "Your"?  WTF?


is it more difficult for that 80 year old to get an id or get health insurance?

I mean your perfectly ok with mandating they have health insurance why not mandating they have an id?

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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #138 on: February 15, 2014, 04:51:27 PM »
hey kore how about not mandating it but implementing a "penalty" for those that dont just like the health insurance scheme?
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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #139 on: February 15, 2014, 04:51:47 PM »
Quote from: tonymctones on February 15, 2014, 04:50:38 PM
is it more difficult for that 80 year old to get an id or get health insurance?

I mean your perfectly ok with mandating they have health insurance why not mandating they have an id?



He doesn't even want to help these people obtain an ID.  
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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #140 on: February 15, 2014, 05:03:43 PM »
Hey Kore what if we subsidized the cost of id's?

I mean I know you love those govt hand outs...
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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #141 on: February 15, 2014, 05:06:15 PM »
Quote from: tonymctones on February 15, 2014, 05:03:43 PM
Hey Kore what if we subsidized the cost of id's?

I mean I know you love those govt hand outs...

In my state the cost is ten bucks and it's free for anyone 65 and up.  Kore won't even take the time out of his day to transport some of his fantasy old ladies.
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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #142 on: February 15, 2014, 06:20:51 PM »
Quote from: StreetSoldier4U on February 15, 2014, 03:45:19 PM
So you don't want help?  You'd rather complain on an internet message board instead of getting off your ass and addressing a problem you believe exists?

And I'm a actual soldier.

Really?  What MOS?  (I was a 98G Russian.)
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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #143 on: February 15, 2014, 06:24:55 PM »
Quote from: tonymctones on February 15, 2014, 04:50:38 PM
is it more difficult for that 80 year old to get an id or get health insurance?

I mean your perfectly ok with mandating they have health insurance why not mandating they have an id?


Errr, aren't 80-year olds covered by medicare? 

And I'm not OK with ACA -- I think single payer is the way to go (but think if it takes having ACA for a while before moving to single payer then it's worth it).  I know we've talked about this before.
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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #144 on: February 15, 2014, 06:27:50 PM »
Quote from: tonymctones on February 15, 2014, 04:51:27 PM
hey kore how about not mandating it but implementing a "penalty" for those that dont just like the health insurance scheme?

Do you think that's warranted?  After all, voting is not mandatory.
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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #145 on: February 15, 2014, 06:29:23 PM »
Quote from: StreetSoldier4U on February 15, 2014, 05:06:15 PM
In my state the cost is ten bucks and it's free for anyone 65 and up.  Kore won't even take the time out of his day to transport some of his fantasy old ladies.

Will it only take a day if I have to drive out of state to find a place with Voter ID laws?
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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #146 on: February 15, 2014, 06:32:22 PM »
Quote from: tonymctones on February 15, 2014, 05:03:43 PM
Hey Kore what if we subsidized the cost of id's?

I mean I know you love those govt hand outs...

I like that idea, for sure.  Waiving the fee should be the first thing done to help poor folks vote.

BTW, I don't love gov't handouts.  I especially have a problem with the big ones --  I was totally against the financial bailout.
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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #147 on: February 15, 2014, 07:03:19 PM »
Quote from: RRKore on February 15, 2014, 06:32:22 PM
I like that idea, for sure.  Waiving the fee should be the first thing done to help poor folks vote.

BTW, I don't love gov't handouts.  I especially have a problem with the big ones --  I was totally against the financial bailout.
so if the cost of obtaining an id were subsidized you would be ok with it?
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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #148 on: February 15, 2014, 07:06:46 PM »
Quote from: RRKore on February 15, 2014, 06:27:50 PM
Do you think that's warranted?  After all, voting is not mandatory.
the penalty would not be mandatory either, it would be contingent on you voting without an id....
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Re: I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote
« Reply #149 on: February 15, 2014, 07:07:49 PM »
Quote from: tonymctones on February 15, 2014, 07:06:46 PM
the penalty would not be mandatory either, it would be contingent on you voting without an id....

So a de facto poll tax? 

Man, you ARE from the South, lol.
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