i know, this isnt such great example, but its good enough.
the dead zyzz guy.
he used what 500mgs weekly, 250tren 250 sust, thats what i remmeber he claimed, seems believeable.he playe around with deca but didnt like that.
anyway, he had gained plenty of real mass, i think this eveeryone can agree upon.
he started as dj-ace-181 level, ie , a skeleton with teethpickers for arms and legs.
he developed everything nicely., even legs.
did he ever get bulky in the process?no he didnt.
sure first year of real training or on gear, one can go a little bit bulky,but then never again.
or maybe when ones already big and wants to enter the next higher weight class for competitoton for whatever reason, well yeah then some bulk will be needed,or helpfull.but keep in mind at that stage they arent fat, they dont have this baby kinda fat deposits, they are simply so littered full of water from all the steroids and gh,that it loks worse than it is.
whats a reasonable shape to be in year round?5lbs over contest weight?10?
something like coach?fucking hell, if i look at coach, no disrespect, i know imediately the diet will be a nightmare.
in conclusion, steroids give very good gains, but at the cost that diet has to be paid attention to quite strict.