Test, TRT, natural test levels QUESTIONS/BRO SCIENCE

[galeniko]

Can you ask him to explain why I blew up 20lbs on less than 20mgs a day of Winstrol tabs?

easym bc a first cycle should be taken advamntage from exactly in that way.

minimum dosage, thats 2-4times more than natural, that plenty gear for first cycle, and solid 20lbs will be possible,all things being spot on.

sure wasnt bonedry gains but youre not the kind who confuses water bloof with mucle,or worse,haha,fat

of theres a limit to this, those were the golden days where you can walk into spanish pharamcy and just buy real gear(these days they look at you as if you fallen from mars if you ask such things), and the stuff was winstrol when it said winstrool on it.

theese days, some cow-euder milker from the jankzie river sends you a packet with winstrol on the label but there ratturds or god knows what in them.

just like a guy who brought dbol from thailand pharmacy(bro its from the pharmacy, i ask, from the official regal or under the counter, i get stupid face for reply),and then asks me how long the half worth time of new dbol is, whether it could be that its 2 weeks haha,he dont feel nothing


anyway, the above is precisely what i mean,minimum gear for first cycle, starting with 500 instead of 200 will not turn ace-zane into levrone anytime soon.

[Icelord]

Basically the trick with Simon is whatever he says to you when following you around (and he does this to everyone) is just to be extremely polite and nice to him no matter what he say's, there is nothing that gets under his skin more. than not getting a reaction.

I see him as a special needs kid who has a desk at the back of the special needs class
because he's constantly irritating the others
and banging on his desk lid
throwing food
being an idiot, etc.
but they can't kick him out, because it's his only source of social interaction
so they let him talk to himself in the corner all day, as long as he doesn't attract too much attention
and everyone basically ignores him while he flails and screams to himself with split dribbling down his chin
definitely a case of aspergers
and he stalks everyone, I'm just the latest to bruise his ego
there was a thread about him doing just that a few days ago
lol

[Simple Simon]

Basically the trick with Simon is whatever he says to you when following you around (and he does this to everyone) is just to be extremely polite and nice to him no matter what he say's, there is nothing that gets under his skin more. than not getting a reaction.

No, what your technique is is ask a dumb question you already have the information you have been provided to work out the answer to try and initiate an angry response from the other poster.
Hence my ludicrous responses about bike tyres which you clearly ignore because you know Im on to your game  

[Simple Simon]

easym bc a first cycle should be taken advamntage from exactly in that way.

minimum dosage, thats 2-4times more than natural, that plenty gear for first cycle, and solid 20lbs will be possible,all things being spot on.

sure wasnt bonedry gains but youre not the kind who confuses water bloof with mucle,or worse,haha,fat

of theres a limit to this, those were the golden days where you can walk into spanish pharamcy and just buy real gear(these days they look at you as if you fallen from mars if you ask such things), and the stuff was winstrol when it said winstrool on it.

theese days, some cow-euder milker from the jankzie river sends you a packet with winstrol on the label but there ratturds or god knows what in them.

just like a guy who brought dbol from thailand pharmacy(bro its from the pharmacy, i ask, from the official regal or under the counter, i get stupid face for reply),and then asks me how long the half worth time of new dbol is, whether it could be that its 2 weeks haha,he dont feel nothing


anyway, the above is precisely what i mean,minimum gear for first cycle, starting with 500 instead of 200 will not turn ace-zane into levrone anytime soon.

I was in shape when I took it around 170lbs, I went up to around 190lbs in 10 weeks, sure I lost around 12lbs when I came off but I was hard and full at 190.

Fact remains, small dosages do produce results.

[Simple Simon]

I see him as a special needs kid who has a desk at the back of the special needs class
because he's constantly irritating the others
and banging on his desk lid
throwing food
being an idiot, etc.
but they can't kick him out, because it's his only source of social interaction
so they let him talk to himself in the corner all day, as long as he doesn't attract too much attention
and everyone basically ignores him while he flails and screams to himself with split dribbling down his chin
definitely a case of aspergers
and he stalks everyone, I'm just the latest to bruise his ego
there was a thread about him doing just that a few days ago
lol

No just post bullshit without any real life experience.
Still waiting for your pics of your natty gains.   

[Shockwave]

Talking the highest amount that is still considered normal range.

Shockwave said 200mg/wk is equivalent to upper natural limit,
Aj said 120mg/wk.

I wonder too is such 'small' amounts would shut down natural levels

I said 100-200 is BEYOND high normal.

[Shockwave]

20mg/day is 140mg/wk..... beyond what most docs consider high normal dosage.  I can see someone blowing up on that if theyvr mever used before. Ive never used winny so I dont know how potent it is

[Simple Simon]

Honestly I ignored it because I didn't even know what it meant, didn't want to ask to make myself look thick? 

Actually if thats true then its worse than I thought, I really thought you were trolling and not just dumb.

[Icelord]

20mg/day is 140mg/wk..... beyond what most docs consider high normal dosage.  I can see someone blowing up on that if theyvr mever used before. Ive never used winny so I dont know how potent it is

Winstrol Depot is very potent (the real thing). The tablets come in what, 25 and 50mg? Not as good. And more subject to counterfeit.

[Simple Simon]

20mg/day is 140mg/wk..... beyond what most docs consider high normal dosage.  I can see someone blowing up on that if theyvr mever used before. Ive never used winny so I dont know how potent it is

It was potent for me, mg for mg best results I have ever had from a course.

[Shockwave]

Winstrol Depot is very potent (the real thing). The tablets come in what, 25 and 50mg? Not as good. And more subject to counterfeit.

that would make it 175mg/wk. I can definitely see someone making good gains on that if they're new to juice.

[Icelord]

that would make it 175mg/wk. I can definitely see someone making good gains on that if they're new to juice.

Oh yeah.
For a first-time user, you could get excellent results with just Winstrol-V. But if you ran some tren as well.......

[galeniko]

I was in shape when I took it around 170lbs, I went up to around 190lbs in 10 weeks, sure I lost around 12lbs when I came off but I was hard and full at 190.

Fact remains, small dosages do produce results.

well i do know.

my very firct cycle was 200mg deca wekly for i dont know half year(shut me down right good), the best gains ever made, in quality,etc.

straight afterwards, id never even feel a thing from deca again.theres something to this, the body builds up tolerance and thats it, kinda like vets dont react to orals nomore after a while.

nothing came close later on, not even 4sust week, 100adrol day and just as much other stuff, i forgot.(After built up dose over years).

this is why its so "facepalm" when newbies want make "furious eentry" into the darksides.as if anyone gives a shit.
the only thing furious should be the training, dose moderate.


one thing that always always seem to work the same is test.

the rest is inconsistent.

[Simple Simon]

Winstrol Depot is very potent (the real thing). The tablets come in what, 25 and 50mg? Not as good. And more subject to counterfeit.

Stanozolol (Winstrol) used to be 2mg tabs

[galeniko]

At what point do anti esters become absolutely necessary?

I am on 250/wk now +25 mg/wk tren. I take an anti once A week.

Could I drop the tren and the anti ester?

lol whats with that 25mg tren,whats the idea behind that?

anti estrogens are out of fashion, these days ppl use aromatase inhibitors.

they are not realy needed until the nipple feels weird.

[Icelord]

well i do know.

my very firct cycle was 200mg deca wekly for i dont know half year(shut me down right good), the best gains ever made, in quality,etc.

straight afterwards, id never even feel a thing from deca again.theres something to this, the body builds up tolerance and thats it, kinda like vets dont react to orals nomore after a while.

nothing came close later on, not even 4sust week, 100adrol day and just as much other stuff, i forgot.(After built up dose over years).

this is why its so "facepalm" when newbies want make "furious eentry" into the darksides.as if anyone gives a shit.
the only thing furious should be the training, dose moderate.


one thing that always always seem to work the same is test.

the rest is inconsistent.

then how do the pros continue to make gains despite their massive doses? until they max out, that is

[galeniko]

By the time you have itchy tits, tissue is growing.
Makes more sense to be pre emptive.

I haven't had itchy tits though, well maybe once. Not sure.

man, listen.

if you plan to be in this for a long run, instead of worrying about nipples , look up a gyno surgeon very much upfont.

if its meant to happen, its happen.just like hairloss.

ai-s are rather taken for killing of the very last fat when dieting, and water.

the slightest estrogen spike,up or down, will incite gyno faster than yoou can say arimidex.

the recovery time post operation is beautiful opurtunity to extend the mental horizon a bit

[Simple Simon]

man, listen.

if you plan to be in this for a long run, instead of worrying about nipples , look up a gyno surgeon very much upfont.

if its meant to happen, its happen.just like hairloss.

ai-s are rather taken for killing of the very last fat when dieting, and water.

the slightest estrogen spike,up or down, will incite gyno faster than yoou can say arimidex.

the recovery time post operation is beautiful opurtunity to extend the mental horizon a bit

This, and get the gland removed, no more titties ever.

[Shockwave]

then how do the pros continue to make gains despite their massive doses? until they max out, that is

genetics.. tolerance to... well, building tolerance. I adapt to drugs very quickly, which is why I was a drug addict. I had to have more every day to have the same high. Itd be like you having to up the dose ED to keep making gains. Im assuming their genetics are like some addicts I knew, that could use tiny doses everday and still get loaded.

[Simple Simon]

then how do the pros continue to make gains despite their massive doses? until they max out, that is

Most Pros dont get much bigger during their careers once the get to pro level.
maybe 15 lbs in total.

[Icelord]

genetics.. tolerance to... well, building tolerance. I adapt to drugs very quickly, which is why I was a drug addict. I had to have more every day to have the same high. Itd be like you having to up the dose ED to keep making gains. Im assuming their genetics are like some addicts I knew, that could use tiny doses everday and still get loaded.

Ronnie's gains from 1989 to 2004 was like 60lbs of lean body mass. Absolutely insane. When he won Mr. Texas he was like 220.

[Simple Simon]

I am dumber than you give me credit for bro, that's half the problem, got to realize not everybody is as intelligent or experience as you.

Thats better Junior, a bit of honesty at last.

[Icelord]

Until they shoot GH + Slin and look fugly

Nah, the average top tier pro gains something like 40-50lbs between their first show (amateur) and their final weight (pro)
from AAS alone, not even counting slin and GH
these guys have very high tolerance

[sagittal chest]

Thank you Galeniko and Uncle Junior, your post are informative. Exactly what I was looking for.
The reason for the 25mg of test is because I get pip (im out of pharma grade) and swelling with test injections and as a result don't want to do it more than once a week. I use the small dose of tren in between the test shots since such a small dose doesn't cause much swelling, and tren is supposed to be much stronger than test. I use it as a buffer essentially.

When I have pharma grade stuff I inject twice a week, no swelling, no pain.

After reading this, I think I am going to cut to 150mg/test a week, eliminate the anti, and eat better to compensate for the lowered dose.

[galeniko]

This, and get the gland removed, no more titties ever.

yeah some docs will say dont do that.

but do it,remove the whole mess out of there.

you dont want go through this 2 times


just shutting down estrogen will not help, ppl misunderstand that, androgens to estrogen ratio fluctuations cause gyno too, and your not even safe long after going off gear.

Most Pros dont get much bigger during their careers once the get to pro level.
maybe 15 lbs in total.

mild objection, their heads and guts do get bigger

saggy tits:who told you tren is stronger than test?

spare the tren do it properly at later point in tiem