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Re: GMO FOODS
« Reply #75 on: March 03, 2014, 11:13:16 AM »
Predisposition?  My mom had lung cancer and did it to herself basically.

Genetics is rough. Maybe she did to it to herself, maybe not. My grandmother smoked until she went into a home at 94. When they checked her lungs, they were perfectly clear and she smoked since she 14. She died at 96. Check out your family history. We have no cancer that runs through my family, that doesn't mean we can't get it.

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« Reply #76 on: March 03, 2014, 02:45:49 PM »

That is complete BS.  Last I checked, it is still a vegetable.  Unless your a specific corn eating worm with an alkaline based digestive system, you have nothing to worry about from the BT protein.  That is why organic farmers spay a whole lot of it.  YES there are organic registered pesticides that organic farmers use and the BT protein is one of them.

Look, if you use B. thuringiensis in any crop, you are trying to get rid of lepidopteran larvae in this specific crop, the fumigation may reach other lepidopteran larvae but it's not a big deal actually. However, in GMC, they fear pollen (containing DNA from B.t) may reach harmless species and get rid of them. The difference between several applications of B. thuringiensis and the use of corn with insecticide properties (including its pollen) may be significant, althought I'm not sure how big would the impact be.

Another serious threat, it's the possibility of gene transfer to another species, let's say that you use GM plants with resistence to Roundup, these plants may cross-breed with weeds creating "superweeds", with tolerance to Roundup.

Additionally, the effect on humans of consuming GM food is still not well documented.

GM crops are a serious threat to the enviroment, althought I thik they may be useful in some scenarios.

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« Reply #77 on: March 03, 2014, 03:14:02 PM »
Only up to a certain point. If a company could make a plant completely disease resistant, it would not sell its pesticides anymore. These companies are not here to prevent diseases and stop world hunger, they only want to make a profit.

Bingo! I was surprised to know one investigation concerning GM crops had as a goal making them more tolerant to glyphosate, until I knew about the responsibles behind this idea. They need their money back of course.

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« Reply #78 on: March 03, 2014, 03:31:54 PM »
Now, for the those saying GM is the same as natural breeding, or selective breeding.

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Myth: Genetic engineering is just an extension of natural breeding
Truth: Genetic engineering is different from natural breeding and possess special risks

GM proponents claim that genetic engineering is just an extension of natural plant breeding. They say that GM crops are no different from naturally  bred crops, apart from the inserted foreign GM gene (transgene) and its protein product. But this is misleading. GM is completely different from  natural breeding and poses different risks.

Natural breeding can only take place between closely related forms of life (e.g. cats with cats, not cats with dogs; wheat with wheat, not wheat with tomatoes or fish). In this way, the genes that carry information for all parts of the organism are passed down the generations in an orderly way. In contrast, GM is a laboratory-based technique that is completely different from natural breeding.

http://earthopensource.org/files/pdfs/GMO_Myths_and_Truths/GMO_Myths_and_Truths_1.3b.pdf

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« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2014, 03:42:03 PM »
Now, for the those saying GM is the same as natural breeding, or selective breeding.

http://earthopensource.org/files/pdfs/GMO_Myths_and_Truths/GMO_Myths_and_Truths_1.3b.pdf

Click the link to rational wiki. It explains all of that.

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« Reply #80 on: March 03, 2014, 03:56:56 PM »
Click the link to rational wiki. It explains all of that.

I just read a part of it. The guy who wrote that is completely off regarding some topics. I'm an agricultural engineer I know a thing or two about crops.

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« Reply #81 on: March 03, 2014, 03:58:38 PM »
I just read a part of it. The guy who wrote that is completely off regarding some topics. I'm an agricultural engineer I know a thing or two about crops.
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« Reply #82 on: March 03, 2014, 04:01:25 PM »
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PS: sorry if I came up as arrogant but since I didn't want to point out the errors on that link and explain why, I just said it, it isn't false.

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« Reply #83 on: March 04, 2014, 05:51:49 AM »


A brief explanation why is it important to eat organic.

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« Reply #84 on: March 05, 2014, 07:46:56 PM »
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PS: sorry if I came up as arrogant but since I didn't want to point out the errors on that link and explain why, I just said it, it isn't false.

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Re: GMO FOODS
« Reply #85 on: August 01, 2014, 02:00:10 PM »

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« Reply #86 on: August 01, 2014, 02:07:35 PM »


Does he have any connection to the TV show Degrassi? ???

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« Reply #87 on: August 01, 2014, 11:00:33 PM »
The Rio Red variety grapefruit was developed at Texas A&M University–Kingsville.

They planted a grapefruit orchard with high security. When the trees started to blossom in the spring, a Gamma Ray source would pop out of the ground at night and irradiate the blossoms with radiation.  They then harvested the fruit that resulted and analyzed the individuals for desired traits  That is, being good to eat and visually attractive.  There was one cluster that had everything they wanted and a line was propagated from it.  

This is how the Rio Red and Rio Star grapefruit came about.

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« Reply #88 on: August 02, 2014, 12:05:55 AM »
Perfectly fine and advantageous as they will be more disease resistant, hence less pesticides will be used and also nutrient content can be made much higher.  Shelf life can also be increased and the growing season can be extended as well as larger crop yield.

I'm pretty sure you'll find the nutrient value in today's American food is LOWER  than it was in the past.  Also there are now new strains of diseases that are damaging these GMO crops.  Natures way of saying you can't cheat me?

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« Reply #89 on: August 02, 2014, 01:36:23 AM »
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« Reply #90 on: August 02, 2014, 02:12:27 AM »
I'm pretty sure you'll find the nutrient value in today's American food is LOWER  than it was in the past.  Also there are now new strains of diseases that are damaging these GMO crops.  Natures way of saying you can't cheat me?
The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition last year published a study of 162 scientific papers from the past 50 years on the health benefits of organically grown foods and found no nutritional advantage over conventionally grown foods.

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/ajcn.2009.28041v1

Am J Clin Nutr (July 29, 2009). doi:10.3945/ajcn.2009.28041

© 2009 American Society for Clinical Nutrition
Nutritional quality of organic foods: a systematic review1,2,3,4

Alan D Dangour, Sakhi K Dodhia, Arabella Hayter, Elizabeth Allen, Karen Lock and Ricardo Uauy
1 From the Nutrition and Public Health Intervention Research Unit (ADD, SKD, AH, and RU) and the Medical Statistics Unit (EA), Department of Epidemiology and Population Health, London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, London, United Kingdom, and the Health Services Research Unit, Department of Public Health and Policy, London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, London, UK (KL).

2 The funding organization had no role in the study design, data collection, analysis, interpretation, or writing of the report. The review team held 6 progress meetings with the funding organization.

3 Supported by the UK Food Standards Agency (PAU221).

4 Address correspondence to AD Dangour, Nutrition and Public Health Intervention Research Unit, Department of Epidemiology and Population Health, London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, Keppel Street, London WC1E 7HT, United Kingdom. E-mail: alan.dangour@lshtm.ac.uk.

ABSTRACT

Background: Despite growing consumer demand for organically produced foods, information based on a systematic review of their nutritional quality is lacking.

Objective: We sought to quantitatively assess the differences in reported nutrient content between organically and conventionally produced foodstuffs.

Design: We systematically searched PubMed, Web of Science, and CAB Abstracts for a period of 50 y from 1 January 1958 to 29 February 2008, contacted subject experts, and hand-searched bibliographies. We included peer-reviewed articles with English abstracts in the analysis if they reported nutrient content comparisons between organic and conventional foodstuffs. Two reviewers extracted study characteristics, quality, and data. The analyses were restricted to the most commonly reported nutrients.

Results: From a total of 52,471 articles, we identified 162 studies (137 crops and 25 livestock products); 55 were of satisfactory quality. In an analysis that included only satisfactory quality studies, conventionally produced crops had a significantly higher content of nitrogen, and organically produced crops had a significantly higher content of phosphorus and higher titratable acidity. No evidence of a difference was detected for the remaining 8 of 11 crop nutrient categories analyzed. Analysis of the more limited database on livestock products found no evidence of a difference in nutrient content between organically and conventionally produced livestock products.

Conclusions: On the basis of a systematic review of studies of satisfactory quality, there is no evidence of a difference in nutrient quality between organically and conventionally produced foodstuffs. The small differences in nutrient content detected are biologically plausible and mostly relate to differences in production methods.

Received for publication May 7, 2009. Accepted for publication July 2, 2009.

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Re: GMO FOODS
« Reply #91 on: August 02, 2014, 02:18:02 AM »
http://www.nhs.uk/change4life/Pages/food-exercise-mythbuster.aspx

Myth 7 : Processed foods are not as healthy for me as fresh foods

In some cases this is true, but a lot of processed foods are just as healthy, and sometimes even more healthy than fresh foods. This all depends on how they are processed.

    For example, frozen fruit and frozen vegetables are usually processed within hours of being picked. Because hardly any nutrients get lost in the freezing process they stay very healthy.
    They are often cheaper for you to buy too, which makes them a fantastic option to help make up your 5 A DAY

    Read more: easy ways to get 5 A DAY

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Re: GMO FOODS
« Reply #92 on: August 02, 2014, 02:19:53 AM »
Furthermore, I challenge anyone to find any food that offers more vitamins and nutrients than one serving of Wheaties Cereal, gram for gram.

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« Reply #93 on: August 02, 2014, 02:30:04 AM »
In an analysis that included only satisfactory quality studies

Conclusions: On the basis of a systematic review of studies of satisfactory quality,


Please. Don't insult my intelligence.  Your BS may work on the average dope. 

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« Reply #94 on: August 02, 2014, 02:36:53 AM »
Please. Don't insult my intelligence.  Your BS may work on the average dope. 
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« Reply #95 on: August 02, 2014, 06:46:34 AM »
Furthermore, I challenge anyone to find any food that offers more vitamins and nutrients than one serving of Wheaties Cereal, gram for gram.

Wheaties are an awesome food.  Super high in iron, and metal bits.   :D

http://www.naturalnews.com/043633_wheaties_cereal_metal_fragments_magnetic.html

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« Reply #96 on: August 02, 2014, 06:55:59 AM »
Wheaties are an awesome food.  Super high in iron, and metal bits.   :D

http://www.naturalnews.com/043633_wheaties_cereal_metal_fragments_magnetic.html
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Any food that contains Iron has this property.  There is no difference between the Iron in Red Meat or Cereal and you can do the same experiment with both.  ("NaturalNews", oh brother, I expected better from you Twaddle)



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« Reply #97 on: August 02, 2014, 07:00:15 AM »
Wheaties are an awesome food.  Super high in iron, and metal bits.   :D

http://www.naturalnews.com/043633_wheaties_cereal_metal_fragments_magnetic.html
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Re: GMO FOODS
« Reply #98 on: August 02, 2014, 07:25:26 AM »
Adam, I admire your patience but what do you expect of bunch of uneducated gym rats who think they are smarter than scientists? Or consider science bullshit... Or at least until they get sick and go to a real doctor, not some fucking magician.

Also they just don't understand what you write. "No evidence" does not mean that it doesn't exist. But until we find a solid proof that GMO foods are less healthy than normal foods we cannot assume shit because for all we know, it can be the other way round. Maybe GMO food is actually healthier?

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« Reply #99 on: August 02, 2014, 08:18:46 AM »
("NaturalNews", oh brother, I expected better from you Twaddle)




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