I don't care about Dorian or any other Mr. Olympia. Fact is, without drugs, they don't look like much. Hate to say over and over, but it's a fact. Pro's who stop competing and still look real good are most likely on. Massive amount of gear f**k up your natural test production, which is why I don't bother. With my mentality, I'd take 4x the recommended dosage. I'm sure mild cycles aren't a big deal, but at a pro level, get ready to be shot once you stop using. Show me one clean former pro who looks "great"? Don't give me the change of diet bullshit either. Sure, you'll drop 20lbs or so, but not 85lbs. Get real.