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Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« on: March 17, 2014, 07:58:37 AM »
(CNN) -- A fight has broken out between two of the most prominent members of the Republican Party: Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul.

In an op-ed for Breitbart News, Paul took a shot at Cruz, without actually naming him, when he wrote, "I will remind anyone who thinks we will win elections by trashing previous Republican nominees or holding oneself out as some paragon in the mold of Reagan, that splintering the party is not the route to victory." This was just one more flash point in the ongoing tension that has characterized their relationship.

The back-and-forth has captured considerable attention since both men have been discussed as possible contenders for the Republican nomination in 2016.


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Each is seen as representing a different faction of the Republican right: Cruz the take-no-prisoners, slash-and-burn conservatives who will do just about anything to obtain their objectives and Paul the libertarian voice pushing back against all forms of government.

If Cruz and Paul turn out to be the major spokespersons for the debate about where the Republican Party should go, then the party is going to be in some big trouble.

Cruz represents an extremist wing of the GOP that can't seem to govern. Since the emergence of the tea party in 2009, the Republican Party has been shaped by a group of politicians who have been willing to employ extraordinarily aggressive tactics in the pursuit of cuts to domestic spending. Nobody has symbolized this style of leadership more than Cruz. He led the drumbeat to shut down the federal government to force President Obama's hand on spending and has favored the Republican refusal to raise the debt ceiling. Cruz has also been a master of the filibuster, employing variations of the tactic to bring the Senate to a standstill.

This image of obstructionist governance might excite the most loyal activists in the party, but it is not a style conducive to presidential leadership and it is not a style that plays well at a national level.



Senators Ted Cruz, left, of Texas, and Rand Paul of Kentucky.

Senators Ted Cruz, left, of Texas, and Rand Paul of Kentucky.

Republicans have suffered greatly in the polls as a result of these kinds of extremist tactics. One recent poll found that four out of five Americans don't trust the Republican Party. "That's just about as bad as it gets," noted MSNBC host, and Republican, Joe Scarborough. Many Americans question whether the Republicans can govern. A Cruz candidacy would perfectly set up a Hillary Clinton candidacy by allowing Democrats to emphasize her ability to get things done and make the political system work.

Rand Paul represents a different problem: He is a politician whose rhetoric is totally at odds with the history of the GOP. Since the 1930s, libertarians have had trouble gaining traction within the party.

The reality has been that most Republicans have embraced the federal government as a permanent part of national politics. In the area of national security, the party has been a driving force behind the expansion of the military establishment since the Cold War.

While some Republicans like Paul might now rail against the surveillance tactics of the National Security Agency, the recent power of this agency was built on the foundation that Republicans built with the war on terrorism under President George W. Bush.

Neither have Republicans been a true small government party in domestic policy. Studies have shown how federal spending has grown more dramatically under Republican presidents, including Ronald Reagan, than Democrats.

Most Republicans have avoided cutting most of the big-ticket programs, such as Social Security or farm assistance, while pushing for an expansion of government in other areas, such as Medicare Prescription Drugs. Republican legislators have been as skillful at pork-barrel politics as anyone from the other side of the aisle.

Though Paul may claim he will do things differently, Democrats could have a field day challenging the veracity of such claims given the weight of history that he faces.

The weaknesses of both men—Cruz in terms of his style and Paul in terms of his rhetoric—point out how desperate the GOP is to find someone who can build a broad coalition, something that is essential for a presidential victory, particularly when Republicans will likely be facing a formidable candidate.

The problems of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie have been a huge blow to the party, and there are not many alternatives at this point who are willing to run to replace a figure who, in terms of style of governance and rhetoric, would have a better chance of appealing to voters beyond the base. This is the reason former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush is getting so much buzz, as potentially the only other person who can fill this void.

If Republicans can't find some alternative and the primaries revolve around the tension between Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, Democrats will be in excellent position to retain the White House in 2016.

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Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2014, 08:02:38 AM »
Rand Paul all the way.

Cruz is a disastor.

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Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2014, 09:16:18 AM »
Lmao i love how the media is trying to create a fictional 'rivalry' between them ::)

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Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2014, 10:32:53 AM »
"Paul took a shot at Cruz,"

Because Paul doesn't want Cruz pointing out that Rand supports amnesty.

I think it's VERY MUCH a rivalry.  Why?  Well, let's be frank... Rand is a much better looking dude.  That matters, and anyone who think a 5 ft 2, bald mitch mcconnell-type will ever be elected president is a darn fool.

If Rand gets early $ and support, Cruz has no chance.  Rnd had ONE slip up - supporting amnesty - and Cruz is smart to exploit that and remind every single primary voter that YES - Obama and rand will stand side by side and let all the illegals stay.  Every illegal alien that rear ends you in traffic or shoots a cop in your city (it happened in mine!) - Rand will LET THEM STAY.  So will obama.  So will Rubio.

but NOT CRUZ!   He doesn't support amnesty - and i think it's essential that every GOP primary voter know that. 

It's very much a rivalry - cruz himself is working his tail off to differentiate himself.  He's a little bit of a goober, a little out of shape, could definitely use some gym time and a tan - but yeah, he's the best pick if you don't support amnesty.

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Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2014, 02:32:44 PM »
oh, come on!  the debates will be a hoot!  throw in Herman "999" Cain and Santorum [has he ever washed santorum off his own hands yet?] and they will be must see tv
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Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2014, 02:43:09 PM »
oh, come on!  the debates will be a hoot!  throw in Herman "999" Cain and Santorum [has he ever washed santorum off his own hands yet?] and they will be must see tv

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Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2014, 02:52:56 PM »
HEY DON'T FORGET WINKY YOU BETCHA PALIN

Oh better to have Obama the liar in there - every single debate performance by that slug it turns out he was dead wrong

Russia

Obamacare

Syria

nsa,

you name it.  he is a worldwide joke and you make fun of palin and cruz? 

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Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2014, 03:33:55 PM »
Lmao i love how the media is trying to create a fictional 'rivalry' between them ::)

Oh that liberal media is at it again. 

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Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2014, 03:46:01 PM »
.. and you make fun of palin and cruz? 
yes, as often as possible. ;D
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Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2014, 07:03:05 PM »
Cruz vs Paul would be like "watching a retard fuck a doorknob". -Patches O'Houlihan

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Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2014, 07:10:01 PM »
Cruz vs Paul would be like "watching a retard fuck a doorknob". -Patches O'Houlihan

You really believe Cruz is dumb?  Even diehard liberals admit about how smart the guy is. 

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Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2014, 08:43:48 PM »
Oh better to have Obama the liar in there
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Better how?  He's not running.

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Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2014, 09:04:14 PM »
You really believe Cruz is dumb?  Even diehard liberals admit about how smart the guy is. 

Alan Dershowitz said cruz is one of the smartest students he ever had

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Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2014, 09:08:53 PM »
Alan Dershowitz said cruz is one of the smartest students he ever had

Yep.  He is one of the liberals I was talking about. 

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Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2014, 10:01:36 PM »
Yep.  He is one of the liberals I was talking about. 

Dershowitz may be a liberal some of the time, but he trashes the shit out of liberals a lot of the time too.

pro second amendment, pro zimmerman, anti-obama a lot of the time.

dudes all over the place.

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Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2014, 04:16:31 AM »
Oh that liberal media is at it again. 

Yup if you want fact based journalism you need to Watch FOX.

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Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2014, 08:07:47 AM »
Oh that liberal media is at it again. 

Pretty much.

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Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2014, 08:08:35 AM »
Yup if you want fact based journalism you need to Watch FOX.

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Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2014, 10:40:47 AM »
Dershowitz may be a liberal some of the time, but he trashes the shit out of liberals a lot of the time too.

pro second amendment, pro zimmerman, anti-obama a lot of the time.

dudes all over the place.

Dershowitz is a liberal.  And being a liberal yourself, it should be obvious to you.

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Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2014, 10:41:12 AM »
Yup if you want fact based journalism you need to Watch FOX.

Pretty much.

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Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2014, 11:27:43 AM »

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Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2014, 01:00:36 PM »
Dershowitz is a liberal.  And being a liberal yourself, it should be obvious to you.

he's a liberal that trashes the shit out of other liberals frequently?

see, there has to be another name for that.   Cause liberal = kneepads liberal causes.

this dude is all over the place, essentially trashing people on both sides of the aisle.   Google "dersh trashes liberals" and you'll see many quotes where he attacks dems and libs on many topics.

he might not be a conservative, but he's not 100% liberal either.

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Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2014, 05:34:21 PM »
he's a liberal that trashes the shit out of other liberals frequently?

see, there has to be another name for that.   Cause liberal = kneepads liberal causes.

this dude is all over the place, essentially trashing people on both sides of the aisle.   Google "dersh trashes liberals" and you'll see many quotes where he attacks dems and libs on many topics.

he might not be a conservative, but he's not 100% liberal either.

Juan Williams, Bob Beckel, and James Carville criticize other liberals too.  That just makes them honest.  It doesn't make them "not 100% liberal."  There is no Eleventh Commandment for liberals.

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Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2014, 06:00:07 PM »
Juan Williams, Bob Beckel, and James Carville criticize other liberals too.  That just makes them honest.  It doesn't make them "not 100% liberal."  There is no Eleventh Commandment for liberals.

C'mon, BB, I know that honesty is not a strength of yours but listing 3 guys that currently work for Fox News as your examples of guys who are 100% liberal? 

And then going on to say it's their honesty that makes them criticize other liberals?

For your sake, I hope you're just trying to fool others and not pathetically fooling yourself.


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Re: Ted Cruz vs. Rand Paul: A GOP road to nowhere
« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2014, 06:18:23 PM »
C'mon, BB, I know that honesty is not a strength of yours but listing 3 guys that currently work for Fox News as your examples of guys who are 100% liberal? 

And then going on to say it's their honesty that makes them criticize other liberals?

For your sake, I hope you're just trying to fool others and not pathetically fooling yourself.



Listen man, woman, or whatever the heck you are, I really don't care what you think.  Hope that helps. 

But to the point:  a liberal criticizing other liberals doesn't make a person less of an ideologue.  And who the heck cares if they work for Fox?  Many good commentators and news folks joined Fox, because they're the best news and opinion network in the country.