Vince Taylor, good training style to emulate

[Mr Anabolic]

This is also why this guy never had any training injuries.

[njflex]

This is also why this guy never had any training injuries.

EXCEPT HIS EYE LOL...92MRO

[ProudVirgin69]

EXCEPT HIS EYE LOL...92MRO

Haha i thought the patch made him look cool

[wild willie]

Took me a while to learn that Muscle size and muscle strength aren't as related as I thought. As far as I'm concerned if I can grow my arms by curling 20 pounds, I would take that over being able to sling around heavy weight and my arms not growing at all.. plus fucking up my joints in the process just to impress people  

I agree a bigger muscle is a stronger muscle - but only to a point. I've seen plenty of bodybuilders like this who trained lighter, and were not as strong at all, as you would assume by looking at them.. Often these guys get ragged on here. But really, if you are a competitive bodybuilder, it's irrelevant.

Sure drugs play a part but Vince is training smart, Anyway why not just keep adding weight and getting stronger in the hypertrophy range? (using perfect form - contractions/slow negs etc )  Ive learned you still grow training like this (and is far safer and won't be as traumatic to your joints and connective tissues as you get older)

excellent post.......I agree with your sentiments!!! very true!!!

[the trainer]

Wrong

I give up you stubborn guys can stay on your lazy machine workouts looking like shit, smart people with common sense will use free weight to build a proper physique. then when you see people who train properly and look good you accuse them of being on steroids to feel better.

[wild willie]

I give up you stubborn guys can stay on your lazy machine workouts looking like shit, smart people with common sense will use free weight to build a proper physique.

go stick it up your ass.......nothing wrong with machines.......hammer... ..icarian.......flex.... ..bodymasters......all extremely fine lines of equipment.......blend that in with barbells and dumbbells and you have a complete routine!!!!!


you my friend are stubborn!!!!

[the trainer]

go stick it up your ass.......nothing wrong with machines.......hammer... ..icarian.......flex.... ..bodymasters......all extremely fine lines of equipment.......blend that in with barbells and dumbbells and you have a complete routine!!!!!


you my friend are stubborn!!!!

A skinny geek who wants to getbig so he did power lifting training, this proves my theory.

[wild willie]

barbells and dbs and machines......all contribute equally to a great physique......period.... . paragraph!!!

[Foozle]

A skinny geek who wants to getbig so he did power lifting training, this proves my theory.

Anyone else not surprised this raging homo has such quick access to videos of shirtless young men?  Maybe he'll "accidenty" end up in another gay bar this weekend.  Fucking nut rubbing assfondling manlover.

Your posts all suck, except 3, maybe 4.

[the trainer]

barbells and dbs and machines......all contribute equally to a great physique......period.... . paragraph!!!

I agree, my point is free weights should be the foundation of your workout you can always add in cables and machines, when you look at guys like ronnie and arnold two of the all time greats you dont see these guys moving like a lazy ass from machine to machine they go hardcore with free weights.

[Irongrip400]

Compound movements yes, but not 6-8 range. That's not enough work for the muscles in order to stimulate muscular growth. More like 10-15 reps a set, squeezing and holding the muscle in its contracted position for about half a second each rep.
Think about it - you do say 4 exercises per body part for 3 sets of 15 reps (on average for the sake of argument) - that a total of 180 reps per body part. Half a second squeeze each rep means the muscle is in it's contracted position (time under tension) for a total of 90 seconds. Add to that the negative part of the rep which is where the muscle gets torn down and you've got yourself a proper workout where the muscles have suffered significant stimulation in order to grow back bigger (with diet and sleep of course, plus drugs if you decide to go that way).

6-8 reps in a set simply won't cut it. You'll probably get stronger that way, but not bigger.

How the fuck am I supposed to ego lift doing shit like that?

[wild willie]

I agree, my point is free weights should be the foundation of your workout you can always add in cables and machines, when you look at guys like ronnie and arnold two of the all time greats you dont see these guys moving like a lazy ass from machine to machine they go hardcore with free weights.

dorian.... Ronnie.....strydom...... world harris......and countless others have used machines along with free weights.......dorian used plenty of hammer machines......your earlier posts talk of free weight only training......make up your mind already!

[Grape Ape]

I agree, my point is free weights should be the foundation of your workout you can always add in cables and machines, when you look at guys like ronnie and arnold two of the all time greats you dont see these guys moving like a lazy ass from machine to machine they go hardcore with free weights.

While I get your point and personally use/prefer free weights almost exclusively, I've seen plenty of examples that support the machine crowd.  Dillett is the first one I think of, but there's plenty of others.

I think for aesthetic purposes, resistance is resistance, and then genetics take over.

[the trainer]

dorian.... Ronnie.....strydom...... world harris......and countless others have used machines along with free weights.......dorian used plenty of hammer machines......your earlier posts talk of free weight only training......make up your mind already!

Jesus cant you read I said free weights should be the foundation of your workout you can use cables and machine to isolate or to mix it up but free weights should be your base.

[wild willie]

Jesus cant you read I said free weights should be the foundation of your workout you can use cables and machine to isolate or to mix it up but free weights should be your base.

you started in with the whole lazy machine workout bull shit!!!!


you are back pedaling like crazy......

[hazbin]

This is also why this guy never had any training injuries.

he tore his bicep tendon doing a 8 lb dumbbell curl back in about 89

[ESFitness]

This is also why this guy never had any training injuries.

bicep and/or tricep tears

[bic_staedtler]

Vince Taylor? 

Awesome.  Always has been, always will be.  Not so sure about those new gadgets he's selling, though...powerballz, something like that.

But Vince Taylor?

Awesome.

[JasonH]

the contracted position isnt eh position that makes it grow. the position where its strongest, and handles the most force, is the sweet spot.

and when i say force, i mean amount of work in a certain time..

so for biceps its easy, its the mid point in a curl- thats when the weight has the greatest force, AND when the biceps is strongest.

for pecs, its just past half way for most people, the point where the elbows are the greatest distance from the body but not lower than the body (thats when its mechanically disadvantageous).

free weight flyes are only stimulating for about 1/3 of its range..the other 2/3 the weight is either above you, or bringing your elbows below you.. pretty useless exercise really.

why would anyone want to spend their energy on portions of a rep that arent useful?..

I never said that the contracted position is the position that makes it grow the most.

What stimulates the most growth is a combination of all three parts of the rep - positive, negative, and static keeping the muscle under tension at all times throughout the course of the rep. Full range of motion.

The positive is actually the weakest part of the rep, then the static, and the negative is where the muscle is strongest. If you're doing bench presses say, it's a lot easier to lower the weight under control than press it back up. Your positive will fail long before the negative but that doesn't mean that the muscle is adequately stimulated, all it means is that you've reached failure on the positive.

[Simple Simon]

This is also why this guy never had any training injuries.

He once tore his bicep completely off the tendon doing curls backstage at a show warming up with a 20lb dumbell.

[Melkor]

He once tore his bicep completely off the tendon doing curls backstage at a show warming up with a 20lb dumbell.

  And thus the thread ended!

[Mr Nobody]

He is not as strong as dj181.

[Mr Anabolic]

Vince Taylor has quite a resume...

2007 Arnold Classic, 10th
2007 Australian Pro, 3rd
2006 Mr. Olympia - 11th
2006 Australian Pro - 3rd
2002 Masters Olympia - 2nd
2001 Masters Olympia - 1st
2000 Masters Olympia - 1st
1999 Masters Olympia - IFBB, 1st
1999 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 6th
1998 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 3rd
1998 Arnold Classic - IFBB, Masters, 1st
1998 Masters Arnold - IFBB, Winner
1997 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 5th
1997 Grand Prix Czech Republic - IFBB, 7th
1997 Grand Prix England - IFBB, 7th
1997 Grand Prix Finland - IFBB, 6th
1997 Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 9th
1997 Grand Prix Hungary - IFBB, 9th
1997 Grand Prix Russia - IFBB, 6th
1997 Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 8th
1997 Olympia - Masters - IFBB, Overall Winner
1997 Mr. Olympia - Masters - IFBB, Masters 40+, 1st
1996 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 4th
1996 Grand Prix Czech Republic - IFBB, 4th
1996 Grand Prix England - IFBB, 6th
1996 Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 6th
1996 Grand Prix Russia - IFBB, 3rd
1996 Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 6th
1996 Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 7th
1996 Grand Prix Switzerland - IFBB, 5th
1996 Mr. Olympia - Masters - IFBB, Winner
1996 San Jose Pro Invitational - IFBB, 3rd
1995 Grand Prix England - IFBB, Winner
1995 Grand Prix France - IFBB, Winner
1995 Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 2nd
1995 Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 6th
1995 Grand Prix Russia - IFBB, 2nd
1995 Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 2nd
1995 Grand Prix Ukraine - IFBB, Winner
1995 Houston Pro Invitational - IFBB, 2nd
1995 Niagara Falls Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
1995 Night of Champions - IFBB, 2nd
1995 Mr. Olympia - IFBB, 5th
1994 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 2nd
1994 Grand Prix France - IFBB, 2nd
1994 Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 2nd
1994 Ironman Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
1993 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 3rd
1993 Grand Prix France - IFBB, 2nd
1993 Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 2nd
1993 Ironman Pro Invitational - IFBB, 3rd
1993 San Jose Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
1992 Arnold Classic - IFBB, Winner
1992 Ironman Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
1992 Mr. Olympia - IFBB, 6th
1992 Pittsburgh Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
1991 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 3rd
1991 Grand Prix Denmark - IFBB, Winner
1991 Grand Prix England - IFBB, 2nd
1991 Grand Prix Finland - IFBB, Winner
1991 Grand Prix Italy - IFBB, Winner
1991 Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, Winner
1991 Grand Prix Switzerland - IFBB, Winner
1991 Ironman Pro Invitational - IFBB, 5th
1991 Mr. Olympia - IFBB, 3rd
1991 Pittsburgh Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
1989 Grand Prix England - IFBB, 2nd
1989 Grand Prix Finland - IFBB, 2nd
1989 Grand Prix Holland - IFBB, 4th
1989 Night of Champions - IFBB, Winner
1989 Mr. Olympia - IFBB, 3rd
1988 Nationals - NPC, Overall Winner
1988 Nationals - NPC, Light-HeavyWeight, 1st
1987 Mr America - AAU, Medium, 1st
1987 Nationals - NPC, Light-HeavyWeight, 4th
1983 Mr. Berlin Heavy Weight - 1st

[Hulkotron]

Pro BB have big muscles because they inject oil and various other fluids into them.

[Alucard]

Compound movements yes, but not 6-8 range. That's not enough work for the muscles in order to stimulate muscular growth. More like 10-15 reps a set, squeezing and holding the muscle in its contracted position for about half a second each rep.

Think about it - you do say 4 exercises per body part for 3 sets of 15 reps (on average for the sake of argument) - that a total of 180 reps per body part. Half a second squeeze each rep means the muscle is in it's contracted position (time under tension) for a total of 90 seconds. Add to that the negative part of the rep which is where the muscle gets torn down and you've got yourself a proper workout where the muscles have suffered significant stimulation in order to grow back bigger (with diet and sleep of course, plus drugs if you decide to go that way).

6-8 reps in a set simply won't cut it. You'll probably get stronger that way, but not bigger.

Good post, imo... I train exactly like this, especially for arms, calves, shoulders and upper legs, always between 10-20 reps, squeezing and doing slow negative, best form possible... For back and chest i usually do 1 or 2 heavy exercises with few reps for a start... Being natural, this kind of training worked great for me, both strenght and size increased, i'm probably a good volume responder, who knows...