Arnold Schwarzenegger - 💪Muscle gallery

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Arnold and steroids from Wendy Leigh's book:

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Arnold and steroids from Wendy Leigh's book:

Reeves on that subject from his book

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Reeves on that subject from his book

Reeves never heard of steroids until the mid 1960s?

Bullshit.

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Reeves never heard of steroids until the mid 1960s?

Bullshit.

Is it really? He retired in 1950 and was out of the game.

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Is it really? He retired in 1950 and was out of the game.

Well, we'll never know the truth but put two and two together and the answer is obvious.

Bodybuilders lie.  They've always lied.

Reeves publishes a book with the title "the Natural Way". 

Reeves says he "Never heard of steroids until the mid 1960s"?

That's complete BS to say he never heard of them.

He was out in Cali where they were used first so he would have been an ignoramus to have not heard of them.

He was a regular at Muscle Beach.

He also likely used them to prepare for his movie roles in the late 50s.

This is like the people who say Reg Park was natty.

Right. 

Park looked natty in his first few contests in the late 40s/early 50s but he certainly wasn't natty competing in the later 50s, 60s and 70s.
Steroids have been available since the late 30s.

https://nattyornot.com/1930s-the-birth-of-synthetic-testosterone-supplementation-your-natty-mind-will-explode/

Methyl-testosterone was the first working synthetic oral anabolic steroid on the market and was already available in 1936. It had downsides (e.g., liver toxicity) but was effective nonetheless.

At this point, I can already hear the dreamers screaming: “But it all happened in Europe. Steroids were not available in the U.S. until Doc Ziegler overhead from a drunk coach that the ‘evil’ Russians are doping. Then he came back to the U.S. and developed Dianabol.”

Sure, Dianabol may have been born in the late 1950s, but methyl-testosterone was available in the U.S. earlier.

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More bullshit you might have heard:

The Creation of Dianabol and the Myth of Dr. John Ziegler

https://thinksteroids.com/articles/dianabol-john-ziegler-myth/

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Well, we'll never know the truth but put two and two together and the answer is obvious.

Bodybuilders lie.  They've always lied.

Reeves publishes a book with the title "the Natural Way". 

Reeves says he "Never heard of steroids until the mid 1960s"?

That's complete BS to say he never heard of them.

He was out in Cali where they were used first so he would have been an ignoramus to have not heard of them.

He was a regular at Muscle Beach.

He also likely used them to prepare for his movie roles in the late 50s.

This is like the people who say Reg Park was natty.

Right. 

Park looked natty in his first few contests in the late 40s/early 50s but he certainly wasn't natty competing in the later 50s, 60s and 70s.
Steroids have been available since the late 30s.

https://nattyornot.com/1930s-the-birth-of-synthetic-testosterone-supplementation-your-natty-mind-will-explode/

Methyl-testosterone was the first working synthetic oral anabolic steroid on the market and was already available in 1936. It had downsides (e.g., liver toxicity) but was effective nonetheless.

At this point, I can already hear the dreamers screaming: “But it all happened in Europe. Steroids were not available in the U.S. until Doc Ziegler overhead from a drunk coach that the ‘evil’ Russians are doping. Then he came back to the U.S. and developed Dianabol.”

Sure, Dianabol may have been born in the late 1950s, but methyl-testosterone was available in the U.S. earlier.

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More bullshit you might have heard:

The Creation of Dianabol and the Myth of Dr. John Ziegler

https://thinksteroids.com/articles/dianabol-john-ziegler-myth/

So what can we gather from all of this? First of all, no bodybuilder or lifter was using synthetic steroids before 1956 - they didn't exist. Most likely, only the very highest level West Coast bodybuilders knew of them by 1958. From there it seems that knowledge of Nilevar and Dianabol to build muscle and strength was kept relatively in the closet until the early 1960s. After all, Hoffman did not want outside athletes to know his lifters' secrets and he was using their sudden gains via Dianabol to promote his supplement line and isometric training courses and racks. Bill Starr wrote that until he was a national calibre lifter with York in the early 1960s he had never heard of steroids. Reg Park (Mr. Universe 1951, 1958, 1965) said that the first he heard of them were in connection with rumours about East German and Soviet athletes during the 1960 Olympics, though he later heard of "steroids" being used on British POWs from Singapore in WWII as they were being nursed back to health in Australian hospitals. Chet Yorton (Mr. America 1966, Mr. Universe 1966, 1975) has said that he first heard of steroids (Nilevar) in 1964, and decided not to risk using them - Yorton went on to become one of the sports most outspoken campaigners against steroid use and founder of the first drug-tested, natural bodybuilding federation. The condition of national and world level bodybuilders appears to have taken a visible leap between 1960 to 1964.

As for testosterone itself, Paul de Kruif's 1945 book "The Male Hormone" is often cited as "proof" that bodybuilders knew of and were using testosterone in the 1940s. But even though testosterone had been identified by researchers and isolated in laboratory settings as early as the 1930s, it didn't receive FDA approval as a prescription drug until 1950 and, therefore, injectable testosterone was produced only sporadically and in small batches for research purposes, before that time. De Kruif himself made no clear connection between testosterone use and possible athletic applications, though he did briefly raise the question if it could surpass the effects of large vitamin doses in baseball players - aside from this single sentence, his arguments were purely from the perspective of using testosterone to restore the vitality and health of hypogonadal and aging men.

It has been said that John Grimek, upon reading publications such as de Kruif's, was inquiring about testosterone in the 1940s. But he would have had nothing other than a possible hunch that it could be used for athletic purposes, and no source or opportunity to experiment with it. There were, in fact, two companies in California advertising "genuine testosterone" tablets through mail order in the late 1940s, but were ordered to stop by the FDA in early-to-mid 1951 when regulations to control the distribution of controlled substances were tightened. It was well known by researchers at that time, however, that the liver effectively clears almost all orally ingested testosterone within seconds, even very large doses (clearance rate of 24.5mg/min/kg), so these tablets would have produced no effects even if they did contain crystalline testosterone. The low bioavailability of oral testosterone is precisely why injections were used in early research and why synthetic steroids were eventually developed.

It wasn't until 1954/1955 with Ziegler, that Grimek wrote of getting his first testosterone injections. It stands to reason that if even Grimek had no access to bioavailable testosterone before 1954-55 and no knowledge of other top level bodybuilders or lifters using it before then - and as editor of Strength and Health magazine and second in command at York he certainly was in a position to know - then it is very unlikely that anyone in the west was effectively using testosterone for athletic/physique purposes before late 1954/1955. Given that these early experiments were unsuccessful and brief (likely because they knew little about dosing for increased strength and muscle mass), it is most likely that the first western bodybuilders began steroid use not with testosterone itself, but with Nilevar, sometime after 1956 to 1958. From there, Dianabol enters the picture at the elite level and by 1964 even the muscle magazines, such as Iron Man, were writing about what they called the "tissue building drugs".

For a western bodybuilder or lifter to be using testosterone before late 1954/1955 he would had to have known more about the biochemistry of testosterone and it's potential athletic effects than any western sports physician - and have had access to what was then a relatively rarely used prescription drug. He would also had to have known more about how to effectively dose it than John Ziegler, who would go on to co-develop Dianabol just a few years later. Nobody in the west can say for sure exactly when the Soviets began using testosterone, but the likely date is sometime before October 1954 and possibly as early as 1952.

As mentioned, injectable testosterone was first approved for prescription as a cancer, wasting and burn treatment in the U.S. in 1950. Before that it was available for research purposes only, with the FDA tightening regulations and enforcement in the early 1950s. Ads for "genuine testosterone tablets" were placed in national newspapers by two California companies from 1946 to 1951, but the actual ingredients of these tablets were uncontrolled, cannot be verified, and due to the body's clearance rate oral testosterone would be inconsequential anyway. For a bodybuilder to be effectively using testosterone before 1950 he would not only had to have known more about the biochemistry, dosing and potential athletic applications of it than anybody else in the world (including the research scientists working with it), but also have had access to what was then an experimental drug, isolated in limited amounts for controlled research purposes, and not produced in quantity for a public or prescription market. "Snake oil" ads for testosterone tablets, even if they contained what was advertised (which in itself was vague), would not have significantly impacted blood testosterone levels due to the liver's massive testosterone clearance rate and cannot be considered a reliable source.

For these reasons it can be stated with near certainty that Steve Reeves, Clancy Ross, John Grimek, Jack Delinger, Reg Park, John Farbotnik, George Eiferman, etc - who all won major physique titles before the Soviets began using testosterone and before synthetic steroids were introduced in 1956 - were not using bioavailable testosterone or synthetic steroids at the time of their Mr. America, Mr. USA and Mr. Universe wins. Furthermore, it is unlikely that any major title winner was a steroid user before 1957-58 (Pearl won the Mr. USA and Mr. Universe titles in 1956 before his knowledge of Nilevar). Some athletes' careers from the era, such as Reg Park's, do span the introduction of steroids into bodybuilding. In Park's case, he weighed 226 lbs when he won the Mr. Britain title in 1949, 214 lbs when he won the Mr. Universe title in 1951, 215 lbs when he won it the second time in 1958, and 216 lbs when he placed 3rd in 1971 (at age 43 - he returned again in 1973 to place 2nd). If Park did jump on the steroid bandwagon when he learned of them in 1960, then they produced one pound of muscle in 11 years for him.

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Bill Pearl on the first time he took steroids

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^^^ Protein was the secret to Arnold's muscle.

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