Helmut stripped with Joy Dobson, not Gaye. Helmut had a MA degree. I haven't seen him for decades. I used to bodysurf at Bondi Beach. That was where I saw him and Joy. I doubt Gaye went to the beach.
Yeah, Joy my mistake !.She was huge 4 her height (I have seen her images in old BB mag, no time to look 4 them) supposedly she
was taking on very elegant Carol Graham + debated her on TV or something !! .
Some older North Bondi Outdoor gym 'members' told me that Joy was arm wrestling naive guys on the beach

Too many people on Bondi & too many suburban surfers , very congested surf.

Bondi beach Outdoor gym is good, many athletic boys & girls there, top place 4 showing body strength.
I know that Helmut was working with Arnold in Austria .
So Vince, have U ever visited Joy as a 'customer '
