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Re: Nevada Rancher Taking on Gov’t, Battle Reaching Breaking Point
« Reply #50 on: April 11, 2014, 10:33:11 AM »
Wow, I read the entire article.  The govt was fine with letting him use the land for grazing, as long as he paid the fees.  This agreement had worked for 180 years - ranchers pay a fee, and their cattle eat

In 1993, he decided to STOP PAYING the fees.   He refused to move his cattle.  For 20 years, they've been asking him to pay, or move them.  Sounds like he's the liberal here... won't pay for something, but wants to keep using it.

Finally, last year, the govt had enough of him using the land and refusing to pay - So they got a court order and said leave now, or we will confiscate your cattle.  So, after another year of waiting, they FINALLY confiscated about 1/3 of his cattle.   So he decides to get all WACO and make crazy threats, so they call in a SWAT team in case he is serious, and they arrest him.

Dude... this guy's a leech.  Refused to pay his bills for 20 years then tries to throw down.  Unreal anyone can defend him.

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« Reply #51 on: April 11, 2014, 10:41:49 AM »
Wow, I read the entire article.  The govt was fine with letting him use the land for grazing, as long as he paid the fees.  This agreement had worked for 180 years - ranchers pay a fee, and their cattle eat

In 1993, he decided to STOP PAYING the fees.   He refused to move his cattle.  For 20 years, they've been asking him to pay, or move them.  Sounds like he's the liberal here... won't pay for something, but wants to keep using it.

Finally, last year, the govt had enough of him using the land and refusing to pay - So they got a court order and said leave now, or we will confiscate your cattle.  So, after another year of waiting, they FINALLY confiscated about 1/3 of his cattle.   So he decides to get all WACO and make crazy threats, so they call in a SWAT team in case he is serious, and they arrest him.

Dude... this guy's a leech.  Refused to pay his bills for 20 years then tries to throw down.  Unreal anyone can defend him.

Yeah - funny - when I enforce a judgemwent on a deadbeat - I am not able to bring out snipers

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Re: Nevada Rancher Taking on Gov’t, Battle Reaching Breaking Point
« Reply #52 on: April 11, 2014, 10:47:08 AM »
I have a huge issue with the use of force....that's the issue her efor me.
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Re: Nevada Rancher Taking on Gov’t, Battle Reaching Breaking Point
« Reply #53 on: April 11, 2014, 11:30:21 AM »
Wow, I read the entire article.  The govt was fine with letting him use the land for grazing, as long as he paid the fees.  This agreement had worked for 180 years - ranchers pay a fee, and their cattle eat

In 1993, he decided to STOP PAYING the fees.   He refused to move his cattle.  For 20 years, they've been asking him to pay, or move them.  Sounds like he's the liberal here... won't pay for something, but wants to keep using it.

Finally, last year, the govt had enough of him using the land and refusing to pay - So they got a court order and said leave now, or we will confiscate your cattle.  So, after another year of waiting, they FINALLY confiscated about 1/3 of his cattle.   So he decides to get all WACO and make crazy threats, so they call in a SWAT team in case he is serious, and they arrest him.

Dude... this guy's a leech.  Refused to pay his bills for 20 years then tries to throw down.  Unreal anyone can defend him.

Rancher needs to pay.  Hes using more resources than he pays in taxes.
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Re: Nevada Rancher Taking on Gov’t, Battle Reaching Breaking Point
« Reply #54 on: April 11, 2014, 11:39:32 AM »
Rancher needs to pay.  Hes using more resources than he pays in taxes.

for almost 20 years, he's been neglecting his bills.  Just stopped paying but still enjoying the govt handouts.  Now they finally boot him... and he's crying because he doesn't like the look of their guns. 

Personally... if I'm the LEO in charge... dealing with some angry dude yelling about WACO and refusing to obey the law for 20 years... I'm bringing all the 50cal I can and keeping my distance too.  Sounds like rancher is looking for a confrontation. Yes, I"m keeping distance.   

Also, we're talking about confiscation of hundreds of cattle over hundreds of square miles of space?   Yes, I suppose a 9mm would be QUITE inneffective out there.  I'd choose an AR at worst, and a nice scoped rifle at best if I had to work out there.  Does anyone know what is commonly used weaponry when dealing with irate deadbeat screaming about WACO + animal confiscation over hundreds of miles?   Sounds like a scoped weapon is just common sense here.

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Re: Nevada Rancher Taking on Gov’t, Battle Reaching Breaking Point
« Reply #55 on: April 11, 2014, 11:40:33 AM »
LOL  - there is no confirmation that "snipers" are being used.  

yes, armed police are on the scene to handle the case.  The "sniper" claim was issued by the man who resisted police and didn't pay his bill for 20 years, right?  

This story is going to be one of those where, in a week or two, we're all shaking our heads at the "victim" here.   Dude doesn't pay his bills for 20 years, totaling $1.1million, and then his only beef is that he didn't like the kind of guns he saw when they finally booted his ass off their lands.   UNREAL that people will take his side here.  Deadbeat whining about the kind of guns people use on THEIR property while trying to remove him, after he racks up over a million in bills breaking the law for 20 years.  

Reminds me of how everyone thought zimmerman/kadaffi/putin was such a good guy... because they hated his adversary worse lol.  Most of us would normally look at this dude as a deadbeat whining about guns lol.


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Re: Nevada Rancher Taking on Gov’t, Battle Reaching Breaking Point
« Reply #57 on: April 11, 2014, 12:52:09 PM »
Dude doesn't pay his bills for 20 years, totaling $1.1million,

His family has been on this land since the 1800's, the fees only began in 1993 (no federal fee's prior) as a way for the Federal Government to run off the Ranchers even though prior to that it was State land, not Federal.  I mean honestly 240, have u seen photos of the land? do you really think a Rancher could afford to pay that amount of fees for land with not much grass? It's not possible which is exactly why the Fed's put it in place in 1993, they knew that it wouldn't be profitable for any Rancher to pay it, therefore running off the Ranchers (the Fed's true motive) who had been there for many years.




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Re: Nevada Rancher Taking on Gov’t, Battle Reaching Breaking Point
« Reply #58 on: April 11, 2014, 12:56:25 PM »
it can't be that serious; even the brains on the Glenn Beck radio today were siding with the govmint on this issue.
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« Reply #59 on: April 11, 2014, 01:00:10 PM »
This man’s family has raised cows on this land since 1877. They paid taxes on it and it was theirs to use until the Federal Government decided to force them off it so it could be turned into a reserve for tortoises ::). This rancher was forced to pay an extra tax in order to be allowed to graze cattle on the land. He finally said he wasn’t going to pay a grazing fee to the same outfit which has been trying to roust him off of his land. It felt as if he was giving them money with which to fight him. It doesn’t seem to matter to the government that those tortoises have survived generations of buffalo grazing those same grasslands. The tortoises don’t need protection from the feet of cows when larger buffalo feet didn’t do them in. They are not in any danger of going extinct. The government just wants the land and any excuse will do.

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Re: Nevada Rancher Taking on Gov’t, Battle Reaching Breaking Point
« Reply #61 on: April 11, 2014, 01:21:12 PM »
agreed it sounds like the govt is totally trying to screw over the working man.  No doubt there.

I just the guy going irate over the govt's choice of weapons is a little dramatic.  If I'm a LEO and my job is to move 300 cattle off a land while this guy is screaming about waco... yeah... I'm bringing more than a 9mm and a smile.   

Hopefully the national coverage will get the attention - and now we see dems knee deep in corruption behind it?  makes sense.

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« Reply #62 on: April 11, 2014, 01:31:46 PM »
agreed it sounds like the govt is totally trying to screw over the working man.  No doubt there.

I just the guy going irate over the govt's choice of weapons is a little dramatic.  If I'm a LEO and my job is to move 300 cattle off a land while this guy is screaming about waco... yeah... I'm bringing more than a 9mm and a smile.   

Hopefully the national coverage will get the attention - and now we see dems knee deep in corruption behind it?  makes sense.


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Re: Nevada Rancher Taking on Gov’t, Battle Reaching Breaking Point
« Reply #64 on: April 11, 2014, 01:39:37 PM »
240 constantly playing devils advocate to fuck with us...  ;D


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Re: Nevada Rancher Taking on Gov’t, Battle Reaching Breaking Point
« Reply #66 on: April 11, 2014, 08:21:45 PM »
BLOCKBUSTER- Straight from a rancher's mouth - Immediate family friend of the Bundy's tells it all

A Rancher TELLS ALL:

B Hunt wrote:

I live in SW Utah. I grew up on a ranch less than 100 miles from the Bundy's ranch. My father knows Cliven Bundy. I know Cliven's son Ryan. This is not a hoax, it is an action of force by the BLM.

The BLM was going to sell the cattle at one of the smallest cattle markets in Utah. No cattle markets in Nevada would take the cattle without a properly signed brand inspection (which the BLM cannot obtain without Cliven Bundy's signature). The BLM paid the owner of the Utah cattle market $300,000 to do the sale ('R' Livestock Connection in Monroe, Utah, owned by one Scott G. Robbins, according to the Utah Business Entity Search). Utah Governor Herbert stepped in and forbid them from bringing the cattle into Utah without the legally required health and brand inspections (which again, require Bundy's signature) and that no feral cattle are allowed to be imported at all (per Utah statute). Because Bundy claims ownership over maybe 350-500 head of branded cattle, the other 500-700 estimated head of cattle would all be considered feral. BLM officially backed off, but we suspect they are still secretly shipping them through Utah without any permission to do so, to "private" buyers in Colorado. The contract cowboys that the BLM hired to do the roundup are from Sampson Livestock in Meadow, Utah (traitors one and all).

From what I understand, Cliven Bundy owns both the Water Rights and Grazing Rights to all of the land where his cattle run. If Bundy failed to use them, the Grazing Rights would revert to the BLM and would be retired, while the Water Rights would revert to the State of Nevada, likely to be sold to the highest bidder (which would probably be a bidding war between mineral companies that are behind this action with the BLM and the City of Las Vegas which is thirsty for water and has had multiple attempts to buy water--through eminent domain from Utah farmers and ranchers--from Utah, which were all blocked by the Utah Legislature and Utah Governor Herbert). Chances are, the BLM has already filed a claim on the water rights so that they can sell to the highest bidder (instead of the state) and are trying to get the cattle off to show that Bundy cannot use the water beneficially (much like what the US Forest Service and BLM both tried to do to Wayne Hage).

Now, for Cliven Bundy, he's not fighting this for his cattle or his own livelihood. He recognizes that he will probably die before this fight is over. He has said multiple times that he is fighting this to wake people up about the tyranny of the Federal Government and also to help wake up the western states about getting the rights to their own land back from the federal government, which has repeatedly shut down ranchers and closed off land. (MO = 1st, get all the ranchers, farmers, Native Americans, and foresters that use the land for positive, sustainable production off of the land; 2nd, grab up all the resources; 3rd, close off the lands to public access including camping, hiking, horseback riding, hunting, fishing, boating, shooting, etc; 4th, sell off the resources to the highest bidder regardless of what that will do to the land, the local environment, or the economy; 5th, collect royalties on the resources in perpetuity; 6th, reduce and eliminate all SLS and PILT payments to the states, impoverishing them beyond belief.)

Anyway, thanks for posting about this. It is important for us to be able to raise the appropriate resistance.



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Thank you for sending your valuable insight. This contained the details we were all missing.

From this we can now firmly conclude:

1. The BLM's actions are not only flatly illegal, they are unlawful, and not only unlawful, they are so unlawful that it took bribing someone with a $300,000 payoff to get them to accept stolen cattle from a Government agency. I do not think that could be topped ANYWHERE else in the world, other than with something like a Mexican drug cartel.

So we have a clear cut case of unlawful and prosecutable actions by the BLM in this case.

2. The real goal is to shut down public access to these lands. Obviously Cliven Bundy was not a jerk, and he let people go back there to explore. I myself have done a LOT of back country exploring, and noticed in the early 2000's that they closed down all the back roads about a half mile before the destination they used to go to to discourage people from exploring the wilderness. Rather than drive the whole way, you had to get out and walk a considerable distance to scenes such as Swazy's leap, Paul Bunyans Wood Pile, and practically anywhere else you would want to go while out 4 Wheeling. And in the desert sun, that long of a walk was usually tough to do. This resulted in these types of locations no longer being visited, which effectively equaled a shut down.

3. The motives are for profit. Rather than manage the lands responsibly, the BLM is stealing it from it's rightful holders via corrupt actions and legal loop holes, and selling it off to corporate interests. This is cold hard proof that America is not a democracy, or more importantly a Republic, it is in fact a facist dictatorship where corruption rules and rights, freedom and honor are irrelevant.

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Re: Nevada Rancher Taking on Gov’t, Battle Reaching Breaking Point
« Reply #67 on: April 11, 2014, 09:28:25 PM »
http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch


And now we get to the bottom of this. 

And before the libs on here call bullshit for this being infowars....Mark Levin was talking about the same thing with that low life Ried.

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Re: Nevada Rancher Taking on Gov’t, Battle Reaching Breaking Point
« Reply #68 on: April 11, 2014, 09:41:53 PM »
And before the libs on here call bullshit for this being infowars....Mark Levin was talking about the same thing with that low life Ried.

You use to make fun of us when we posted infowars links? LOL

Are you talking to yourself here?  ;D

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« Reply #69 on: April 11, 2014, 10:03:37 PM »
You use to make fun of us when we posted infowars links? LOL

Are you talking to yourself here?  ;D

That wasn't me.

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« Reply #70 on: April 11, 2014, 10:21:10 PM »
That wasn't me.

Sorry, maybe it was Beach Bum.   :D

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Re: Nevada Rancher Taking on Gov’t, Battle Reaching Breaking Point
« Reply #71 on: April 11, 2014, 11:11:14 PM »
The gov has the right to say move your shit.  Once that didn't happen, they can fine him etc. I guess they can grab the cattle...but they should dump them on his land. The land grab to save some fucking turtles is ridiculous. Nobody got to vote on that 240....the EPA is way out of control. I suspect if a vote was held, they weren't getting any or all of the acreage to keep the turtles. Once sniper teams were deployed the gov crossed the line. While some of the guys might sympathize with the farmer..somebody there is willing to shoot his entire family over a turtle. Make no mistake getbig...where I ordered to kill unarmed US civilians I would execute the official so ordering that and turn my men and equipment over to Gov Perry or whoever was opposing Obama and his bullshit. The guy is dangerous.



I have raised cattle on that land, which is public land for the people of Clark County, all my life. Why I raise cattle there and why I can raise cattle there is because I have preemptive rights,” he asserted, explaining to TheBlaze that this includes the right to forage, too.

Furthermore, Bundy has argued that it is the United States trespassing on Clark County, Nev., land, not he, and that he is a better steward of the land. He points out that the manure from his cows fertilizes the soil, that he’s built water sources for wildlife, and that his cattle prevent the vegetation from growing overly dense and creating a fire hazard.


This is actually a Constitutional issue, combined with the fact that the family has been grazing cattle there long before the agency came into existence.

Everyone is talking about this being Government land, ...but no one is talking about which government?
The Nevada Government, ...the US Federal Government, ...or if not already the Chinese Government?

In order to claim jurisdiction, they need to show their bill of sale "purchased by the consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be" and demonstrate what it shall be used for as the Constitution limits them in that way. They are overstepping their legal authority and Bundy won't go to sit in the back of the bus with the other constitutionalists as commanded.

So not only do they NOT have the legal high ground, they've essentially abducted someone's livelihood.
Then they tasered the people complaining and put up a sign that said the first amendment is only where they make a little penned in area?  ???  :-\ 
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Re: Nevada Rancher Taking on Gov’t, Battle Reaching Breaking Point
« Reply #72 on: April 11, 2014, 11:12:18 PM »
Sorry, maybe it was Beach Bum.   :D

If memory serves me correctly, I think it was Agnostic007, but I could be wrong.
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Re: Nevada Rancher Taking on Gov’t, Battle Reaching Breaking Point
« Reply #73 on: April 12, 2014, 12:32:46 AM »
Infowars officially gained total credibility on Jan 21st, 2009.  

Since then, it's been a great source of govt lies, bullshit, theft and, well, the truth about what the govt is up to.

Before that, ya know, from like, 2001 thru 2008, I think Infowars was just a bunch of crazy and foolish lies.