Coach Joe is going to share with getbig what a real PRO stack looks like

[ESFitness]

Thats the same type of motivation that people get after Christmas when they sign up to a gym in the new year.
Doesn't last.

doesn't happen.

ppl put that off until early feb.

the same could be said for ppl training in spring for summer.. doesn't last.

none of them 'last'.

which is why you need to produce results with the clients you have now, to generate biz in the future.

[Simple Simon]

doesn't happen.

ppl put that off until early feb.

the same could be said for ppl training in spring for summer.. doesn't last.

none of them 'last'.

which is why you need to produce results with the clients you have now, to generate biz in the future.

You dont get results, they do.   

[dyslexic]

I'm like George Farah.

I can't just quit working out like... forever...


and still look jacked as fuck.


That's a REAL stack... (a stack of shit!)

[Van_Bilderass]

What about all the muscle chicks coming out of Sweden, whats that all about? Do they not get harassed like the men? Or do they get looked over by the feminist powers that be?

A chick was detained for urinalysis by the cops for training too often. Someone called the cops because they said this woman was training often and had mood swings. She tested clean and filed a complaint.

One gym banned members who drank protein shakes as that was seen as a slippery slope, you start with protein shakes and end up with a needle up your ass.

One "expert" said a sign of steroid use is drinking a lot of water during workouts. Also, the users lacked any "joy" in their training, they don't look happy working out.

This is no joke, it's Sweden.

Swedish IFBB pro Andreas Cahling has an FB page reporting all these happenings. Only reason he can do it is because he resides in the US, otherwise he would be in custody.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Muscle-profiling-in-Sweden-stop-the-madness/187462231285140

Andreas wonders when bodybuilders decide enough is enough and retaliate against the police.

[Rosicrucian]

A chick was detained for urinalysis by the cops for training too often. Someone called the cops because they said this woman was training often and had mood swings. She tested clean and filed a complaint.

One gym banned members who drank protein shakes as that was seen as a slippery slope, you start with protein shakes and end up with a needle up your ass.

One "expert" said a sign of steroid use is drinking a lot of water during workouts. Also, the users lacked any "joy" in their training, they don't look happy working out.

This is no joke, it's Sweden.

That's quite a country of peace you've got there "chief". Any way out?

[Devon97]

Compare Anth Bailes training with Leroy (Dorians old training partner) to Jays back workout.

 
Both are garbage.

[cephissus]

LOL, no you are not fine after extremely heavy sets... LOL no way. It's like this, take a powerlifter setting a world record... it may take MONTHS to recover from the few seconds of exertion. Pumping till you puke is brutal but recovering from low reps is a challenge too. Nervous system takes a beating, mentally you take beating. My training partner set a PR single in the squat last friday, he did nothing else, warming up for 90 minutes, then hit the PR. He has trained for 30 years, competed at an elite level for a long time. He was shaking for a couple of hours after that... felling beat up all weekend. Told me he needs to downcycle his training for several months to recover. This ain't no guy afraid of hard work, an absolute animal in the gym.

Platz did "deat sets" in the squat for high reps but he could only do this twice a month. A guy who says he trains to the absolute limit twice weekly is not going all out, I guarantee that.

honestly, i don't believe any of this

[visualizeperfection]

That's quite a country of peace you've got there "chief". Any way out?

sweet relief of death comes to mind.

[Van_Bilderass]

honestly, i don't believe any of this

Do you associate with a lot of powerlifters? Ever talk to them about how they feel the week after a meet where they set a few PR's?

Or do you generally just feel heavy low rep work isn't taxing, rest a few seconds and you're ready to go again?

Ever do a grinding set of deadlifts with maybe 6-7-800lbs?

Ever do a set of squats with maybe 500lbs to failure where the spotter actually has to grab you on the last one? Ready to go again after 2 minutes? More like 10-15 minutes just til the ears stop ringing and heartrate is below 100.

Some call low rep to failure training high density training instead, a more apt term perhaps. It's so taxing you can't do a lot of it. You can train real hard, real dense LOL, or train long. I remember that fool Poliquin saying this about Mentzer type training:

His system requires only a fraction of the time required by most other programs, but it's difficult to do it for more than a few weeks because it requires that the trainee be either mentally disturbed or addicted to amphetamines in order to keep up the degree of effort required.

Anyone doing twice daily workouts for 2 hours at a time is not training hard, it's certainly not intense/dense, and it's not training to failure each set, no matter what they claim. If you can balonie around with your pals between sets or text bitches it's not hard... it's just long.

[BB]

The old time reference from the 70's - 80's was to wait about at least 12 - 16 between meets, with most doing 2 - 3 a year, these being full meets. I'd say that's still about average with the major guys, the difference is they may add in an extra bench only meet or something similar now.

I will say that among the fellows that do a high average number of meets you will see dips of a couple of hundred pounds across totals through the year.

[cephissus]

Do you associate with a lot of powerlifters? Ever talk to them about how they feel the week after a meet where they set a few PR's?

Or do you generally just feel heavy low rep work isn't taxing, rest a few seconds and you're ready to go again?

Ever do a grinding set of deadlifts with maybe 6-7-800lbs?

Ever do a set of squats with maybe 500lbs to failure where the spotter actually has to grab you on the last one? Ready to go again after 2 minutes? More like 10-15 minutes just til the ears stop ringing and heartrate is below 100.

no, i've never been nearly that strong (my best squat is 405, deadlift 515).  i never felt a single max rep took so much out of me that i couldn't try again and get a similar number 5 minutes later.

i've done insanely hard sets that, yeah, after 4 sets (total workout) i was VERY sore for the next 5 days.  those were high rep leg sets though.

i think the variation between what people can handle varies greatly, and peoples' perceptions of a workout's difficulty even moreso.  this is probably the source of my confusion, and also why gym stories are so often misinterpreted.

[Coach is Back!]

Have you seen any pictures of Coach lately?  His midsection is probably over 40"...I like the guy, but he could stand to lose 20-30 pounds.

As to your second point, there's a lot of things that have changed since the 70s-80s.  Sure, the influx of gh/insulin is one of them, but diet, training styles, and drug protocols are also quite different.

So many uninformed people on here. 1. I don't really train for bodybuilding anymore. More powerlifting/strongman but, yes even at 230 and 51 years old I still have clearly visible abs.

No, not even close to 40 but even if it was my chest is still probably close to 52-53 but that's irrelevant.

Being lean is great, staying that way is nearly impossible. You guys that are ultra lean. Enjoy it, it ain't gonna last long. Yes, this includes go 4 it. If it does stay that way, you may have an eating disorder and stay weak.

[Coach is Back!]

Yes of course he can be right. But the point is he has an opinion on something he never did himself. So is personal experience always necessary?

If it is then Coach can only advice on reaching this level. A tiny tit, a good looking tiny tit but a tiny tit nonetheless :

Thanks Van, I just turned 21 like a week or two before that was taken. Are you saying I already reached my physical potential then??

[Coach is Back!]

LOL, no you are not fine after extremely heavy sets... LOL no way. It's like this, take a powerlifter setting a world record... it may take MONTHS to recover from the few seconds of exertion. Pumping till you puke is brutal but recovering from low reps is a challenge too. Nervous system takes a beating, mentally you take beating. My training partner set a PR single in the squat last friday, he did nothing else, warming up for 90 minutes, then hit the PR. He has trained for 30 years, competed at an elite level for a long time. He was shaking for a couple of hours after that... felling beat up all weekend. Told me he needs to downcycle his training for several months to recover. This ain't no guy afraid of hard work, an absolute animal in the gym.

Platz did "deat sets" in the squat for high reps but he could only do this twice a month. A guy who says he trains to the absolute limit twice weekly is not going all out, I guarantee that.

I just saw this. I'm having a hard time with this first paragraph or so. Takes months to recover from a few seconds??? Really? How did you physiologically come up with this?

[visualizeperfection]

I just saw this. I'm having a hard time with this first paragraph or so. Takes months to recover from a few seconds??? Really? How did you physiologically come up with this?

what the fuck do you know about strength sports?

oh, wait.

[Kim Jong Bob]

A chick was detained for urinalysis by the cops for training too often. Someone called the cops because they said this woman was training often and had mood swings. She tested clean and filed a complaint.

One gym banned members who drank protein shakes as that was seen as a slippery slope, you start with protein shakes and end up with a needle up your ass.

One "expert" said a sign of steroid use is drinking a lot of water during workouts. Also, the users lacked any "joy" in their training, they don't look happy working out.

This is no joke, it's Sweden.

Swedish IFBB pro Andreas Cahling has an FB page reporting all these happenings. Only reason he can do it is because he resides in the US, otherwise he would be in custody.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Muscle-profiling-in-Sweden-stop-the-madness/187462231285140

Andreas wonders when bodybuilders decide enough is enough and retaliate against the police.

and in a competition in sweden they came in backstage so all pf the heavyweights but one run away.


freeman incident: the chief took in freeman when he was signing picd (no they couldnt wait until after) and he called the press himself and was boasting about this that he took in a profesionelö bb for steroids (dont forget you dont get the results until after) .  One year after the same store that hired freeman called tge same chief anf said that  they will have a 100% natural atleat and asked that they will not come and destroy the happenoing agaim....but they did, amd they called the press but this athlear was cöean.....no excusecafter snd the copchief pig didnt call the media to say he was wrong this guy was clean....the guy himself hade to do it to clean hid name

[bigmc]

and in a competition in sweden they came in backstage so all pf the heavyweights but one run away.


freeman incident: the chief took in freeman when he was signing picd (no they couldnt wait until after) and he called the press himself and was boasting about this that he took in a profesionelö bb for steroids (dont forget you dont get the results until after) .  One year after the same store that hired freeman called tge same chief anf said that  they will have a 100% natural atleat and asked that they will not come and destroy the happenoing agaim....but they did, amd they called the press but this athlear was cöean.....no excusecafter snd the copchief pig didnt call the media to say he was wrong this guy was clean....the guy himself hade to do it to clean hid name

how the fuck can you live in a country like that

its basically a police state

people need to fight for their rights

[visualizeperfection]

how the fuck can you live in a country like that

its basically a police state

people need to fight for their rights

Honestly, the average getbigger could walk around Sweeedland without a blouse on and be of no real danger of being nabbed.

[Kim Jong Bob]

how the fuck can you live in a country like that

its basically a police state

people need to fight for their rights

people dont do. Imagine if you where im the gym or just walking and the cops come and take you just because you look to big. I have never been tested but was lucky one tiime,  i just tl always train 6 o clock and ine  tuesday i was sick so i could not go to the gym, heard the the after that the cops have been there but it was only tinytits there but they tppk them in.  I was 220 5.8 and roided so they wouldhsd take me im and if they had raided my house they would have find roids for 10k euro

[anabolichalo]

Compare Anth Bailes training with Leroy (Dorians old training partner) to Jays back workout.

jay has much better mind muscle connection and makes the weights heavy


the other guy is just throwing shit around, all nervous system training, zero muscle contraction

[Van_Bilderass]

I just saw this. I'm having a hard time with this first paragraph or so. Takes months to recover from a few seconds??? Really? How did you physiologically come up with this?

Okay, let me set up a scenario for you. You benched like 530lbs in your youth, so you say. You set a goal for yourself, in one year you're going to bench 545lbs or die trying, nothing else will matter, everything else will take a backseat to this goal. You know you are 50 years old but fuck those who say it can't be done. You set up a one year peaking cycle. You injure yourself a few times in the year but press on upping the painkiller dose. The shoulder is worse than ever but you think there is a chance. On the day of you are full of ephedrine and desperation and somehow manage to hit your goal.

Are you ready to try again next week, I mean you only exerted yourself for a few seconds?

My training partner is close to 50. Today he will attempt a 10lb raw lifetime deadlift max. He did a single squat on monday, felt he should probably take an easy deadlift session today and attempt next friday instead but he is afraid he might come down with something and then the whole year is lost. He will then start another training cycle... you can only hold peak form for so long, maybe a couple of weeks.

[Rosicrucian]

sweet relief of death comes to mind.

I can't even imagine living under such an socialist oppressive regime.

It's sooo ironic. "Too white" people are fucking crazy.

[Van_Bilderass]

no, i've never been nearly that strong (my best squat is 405, deadlift 515).  i never felt a single max rep took so much out of me that i couldn't try again and get a similar number 5 minutes later.

i've done insanely hard sets that, yeah, after 4 sets (total workout) i was VERY sore for the next 5 days.  those were high rep leg sets though.

i think the variation between what people can handle varies greatly, and peoples' perceptions of a workout's difficulty even moreso.  this is probably the source of my confusion, and also why gym stories are so often misinterpreted.

Yeah it depends on a few factors. I think there is research suggesting that when there is spinal loading it exhausts the nervous system more (something lik that, Lyle McDonald said something about it). So a squat is more taxing than a bench on the system as a whole. Then there is execution, like I said, grinding deadlifts, you can do a circa max but if it comes up fairly smoothly and quickly it will not be nearly as exhausting as if it were a slow grinding 15 second rep.

I never do high reps really on the componds but a couple of months ago I decided to rep deads in the rack with the pin in lowest hole. I think I did about 615 for 14 reps, about 3 reps from failure. My deadlift strength took a dip for 2-3 weeks after that, despite not really getting excessively sore from that set I did. High reps on the squat and deadlift are very taxing.

I always say every lifter, every bodybuilder does some pacing in their workouts. "I always go to failure" is a bunch of BS but most bodybuilders say they always go all out. Yeah right.

[Van_Bilderass]

Thanks Van, I just turned 21 like a week or two before that was taken. Are you saying I already reached my physical potential then??

Maybe for the dose you were on. But no, I'm sure you had plenty more growing to do with more juice. Here you were in proper shape, at the Excalibur you were about 30lbs from this shape.

But the point is that you can have an opinion on things you didn't do yourself, you can be right or you can be wrong but you can't just discount the opinion out of hand. Otherwise you would have no business mentioning GH and insulin.

[Van_Bilderass]

One year after the same store that hired freeman called tge same chief anf said that  they will have a 100% natural atleat and asked that they will not come and destroy the happenoing agaim....but they did, amd they called the press but this athlear was cöean.....no excusecafter snd the copchief pig didnt call the media to say he was wrong this guy was clean....the guy himself hade to do it to clean hid name

Are you talking about the Roddy Benjaminsson incident? Roddy walked into the police station saying, hey I'd like you to test me, the Gladiators show wants "clean papers" so can you test me? They were like, that's not how it works, you can't just walk in here asking for a test.

Then they place him under arrest and let him pee. Of course this sounds strange, but what Roddy forgot to say is that when he talked to a cop he admitted to juicing in the past when doing bodybuilding shows LOL. What a moron. This guy claims lifetime natural status, but of course he has done tons of drugs.

I have never been tested but was lucky one tiime, 

One guy I know has been lucky also a couple of times. Twice at clubs the undercovers came over to talk about steroids, one time the female cop said alright we'll let you go, then the male cop takes him aside and says, you were lucky this time, I would have taken you in.