Rory Reid: Rancher Cliven Bundy "Should Be Prosecuted"

[Roger Bacon]

Disgusting traitor like his dad...

Rory Reid: Rancher Cliven Bundy "Should Be Prosecuted"

Posted on April 15, 2014


RORY REID, SON OF SEN. HARRY REID: We believe in a country in which we are subject to laws and you can’t just ignore the laws we don’t like. I think clearly if state and local prosecutors look at this more closely, they’re going to find that he broke the law and he should be prosecuted.

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REID: He is not a victim and he’s not a hero. He’s been using that he doesn’t own for over 20 years and he didn’t pay. He broke the law. There are hundreds of ranchers throughout Nevada that conduct their profession honorably. There’s thousands of them throughout the country and when they have a dispute with the BLM they try to work it out. (source: KSVN-TV)


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/04/15/rory_reid_rancher_cliven_bundy_should_be_prosecuted.html

[Shockwave]

I'm conflicted... If everyone else pays their fees then he should have as well.

HOWEVER, if they were jacking the fees up to try and run the ranchers off so they can develop the land like everyone is saying,  that's fucked as well.

[Kazan]

Another alphabet agency run amok, good on those who stood their ground

[chadstallion]

Just another conservative no tax paying moocher sucking off the teat of taxpayers.

[240 is Back]

I'm conflicted... If everyone else pays their fees then he should have as well.

HOWEVER, if they were jacking the fees up to try and run the ranchers off so they can develop the land like everyone is saying,  that's fucked as well.

good points.

if EVERY one of the hundreds of ranchers in that state, or thousands nationwide, decided to stop paying their tax bill...

Well, the debt would skyrocket and we'd call them welfare leeches trying to siphone the public teet.

it's funny that mgmt and use of federal lands is something that should be free, but things like education are not.  I have to pay a fee to park at/enter Yellowsotne park, but this guy can use thousands of acres, letting his cows crap all over, and tha'ts supposed to be free.


LOTS OF EXCEPTIONS being made to the law by republicans lately.
LOTS.

Let's hope this trend doesn't continue.  They're starting to sound like democrats - saying the fed govt should give them everything for free.  The same people would be screaming for blood, if people in NYC decided they wanted to set up a hat store in the middle of Central park lol. 

[Archer77]

Disgusting traitor like his dad...

Rory Reid: Rancher Cliven Bundy "Should Be Prosecuted"

Posted on April 15, 2014


RORY REID, SON OF SEN. HARRY REID: We believe in a country in which we are subject to laws and you can’t just ignore the laws we don’t like. I think clearly if state and local prosecutors look at this more closely, they’re going to find that he broke the law and he should be prosecuted.

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REID: He is not a victim and he’s not a hero. He’s been using that he doesn’t own for over 20 years and he didn’t pay. He broke the law. There are hundreds of ranchers throughout Nevada that conduct their profession honorably. There’s thousands of them throughout the country and when they have a dispute with the BLM they try to work it out. (source: KSVN-TV)


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/04/15/rory_reid_rancher_cliven_bundy_should_be_prosecuted.html

He has apparently forgotten about the illegals.

[Shockwave]

good points.

if EVERY one of the hundreds of ranchers in that state, or thousands nationwide, decided to stop paying their tax bill...

Well, the debt would skyrocket and we'd call them welfare leeches trying to siphone the public teet.

it's funny that mgmt and use of federal lands is something that should be free, but things like education are not.  I have to pay a fee to park at/enter Yellowsotne park, but this guy can use thousands of acres, letting his cows crap all over, and tha'ts supposed to be free.


LOTS OF EXCEPTIONS being made to the law by republicans lately.
LOTS.

Let's hope this trend doesn't continue.  They're starting to sound like democrats - saying the fed govt should give them everything for free.  The same people would be screaming for blood, if people in NYC decided they wanted to set up a hat store in the middle of Central park lol. 

well, I don't know what right the Fed has to tax people who's cattle are grazing on public lands anyway... Its not like its a national park or anything. Its ridiculous how much power we give to the Fed to tax us... Tax us for owning land, tax us for using land, tax us for working, tax us for retiring, tax us for dying, tax us for inheriting, tax us for buying, selling..... I don't know when we gave them the right to tax us for simply having cattle eat the grass on public land.

our forefathers really would be in tears if they saw the state of things today.

[240 is Back]

well, I don't know what right the Fed has to tax people who's cattle are grazing on public lands anyway... Its not like its a national park or anything. Its ridiculous how much power we give to the Fed to tax us... Tax us for owning land, tax us for using land, tax us for working, tax us for retiring, tax us for dying, tax us for inheriting, tax us for buying, selling..... I don't know when we gave them the right to tax us for simply having cattle eat the grass on public land.

our forefathers really would be in tears if they saw the state of things today.

The BLM provides a lot of services:
http://www.blm.gov/or/faq/

And the other 99.9% of ranchers in NV are currently paying their fees. 

This dude Bundy... he doesn't recognize anything federal.  This goes way beyond "I do not feel the BLM is giving me enough bang for my buck".   I bet Bundy would be the first one asking the BLM for help if a team of thieves, a natural disaster, or water shortage occurred where his cattle were feasting.  Oh, and he had almost 7 times the amount of cattle that the STATE allowed him to have there?   Oh, and did he also stop paying his STATE fees in 1993 also?

This dude is a zimmerman for the west coast lol.  Selectively follows rules when he wants to, screams about WACO then puts women up front to be injured.  Real hero.  The only good thing here is that getbiggers are actually being fair in their points - nobody is calling him a hero for the little man.  They dislike the govt but nobody calling him totally innocent here.  Specially with pushing women to the frontlines. 

[Shockwave]

The BLM provides a lot of services:
http://www.blm.gov/or/faq/

And the other 99.9% of ranchers in NV are currently paying their fees. 

This dude Bundy... he doesn't recognize anything federal.  This goes way beyond "I do not feel the BLM is giving me enough bang for my buck".   I bet Bundy would be the first one asking the BLM for help if a team of thieves, a natural disaster, or water shortage occurred where his cattle were feasting.  Oh, and he had almost 7 times the amount of cattle that the STATE allowed him to have there?   Oh, and did he also stop paying his STATE fees in 1993 also?

This dude is a zimmerman for the west coast lol.  Selectively follows rules when he wants to, screams about WACO then puts women up front to be injured.  Real hero.  The only good thing here is that getbiggers are actually being fair in their points - nobody is calling him a hero for the little man.  They dislike the govt but nobody calling him totally innocent here.  Specially with pushing women to the frontlines. 

how you tried to connect him and Zimmerman is beyond me.
you need to let it go dude.

[240 is Back]

how you tried to connect him and Zimmerman is beyond me.
you need to let it go dude.

sometimes, the left or the right will choose a person - and defend them/praise them - because they are against obama or bush.

Look at the Kadaffi "winning" images we saw on getbig.  Dude killed Americans, and because obama didn't like him, people loved him here.  Some people.

Look at zimmerman - a woman beating, police assaulting, drunk obama voter that chased a kid two blocks, took an ass whooping to a kid 50 pounds smaller, and shot him when he got a boo-boo... then was proven to have lied about a lot of things.  He was a hero.  Many actually called him that.  Just cause they hated trayvon.

Bundy is a drama queen.  His team is risking womens' lives for political gain.  He's been on the federal teet for over 20 years.  And because he's on FOX news dissing "gubmint", he's a hero.  Take away this issue, and he's a whiny CTer with 14 kids (really) living off the govt titty.

[blacken700]

Put the bum in jail, stop making a hero out of this free loader

[Roger Bacon]

I'm conflicted... If everyone else pays their fees then he should have as well.

HOWEVER, if they were jacking the fees up to try and run the ranchers off so they can develop the land like everyone is saying,  that's fucked as well.

The Feds shouldn't even be into shit like this. Fuck them 

[LurkerNoMore]

 

[Roger Bacon]

I don't think a worker who wants $10 an hour is a moocher at all. Not unless they want to try and FORCE someone to employ them and dictate how much that private party HAS TO pay them.

I DO think the nut who stands up to an out of control government that rules by FORCE is a hero.


Why do you people despise liberty? 

[240 is Back]

BLM does a lot of things that are useful and necessary.  I know some on the far-right think that hundreds of thousands of acres of land just kinda take care of themselves, but that isn't how it works.  

After seeing the duties that this BLM does - well, they're essential duties.  In 1993, this was consolidated federally?  and yeah, things have grown since 93.  It was agreed under Bush/clinton, continued under bush, and now under obama, that the fed govt oversee these things.  It's not a dem thing.  These lands connect from state to state and it does make sense to use a fed agency - saves a lot of $ by consolidating resources and connecting systems.  The level of beaucracy in having 50 mini-BLMs trying to handle this, well, you can see why it's there.  

WIKI
The BLM has a wide range of responsibilities, including collecting geographic information, maintaining records of land ownership and mineral rights, conserving wilderness areas while allocating other areas for grazing and agriculture, and protecting cultural heritage sites on public land. The BLM operates the National Landscape Conservation System, which protects some U.S. National Monuments, some National Wild and Scenic Rivers, and some designated wildernesses among other types of areas including wilderness study areas.

Lightning-sparked wildfires are frequent occurrences on BLM land in Nevada.
The BLM is a major employer of wildland firefighters, range conservationists, foresters, botanists, land specialists, geologists, archaeologists, biologists, outdoor recreation planners, and surveyors.

[Roger Bacon]

BLM does a lot of things that are useful and necessary.  I know some on the far-right think that hundreds of thousands of acres of land just kinda take care of themselves, but that isn't how it works.  

It worked for 4.5 Billion years?

[Kazan]

Just another conservative no tax paying moocher sucking off the teat of taxpayers.

Really? The BLM ran all the other ranchers out of business, whats one more right? If you think some unelected agency has the right to destroy people's livelihoods, then you to need to reexamine.

I guess if it was a bunch of "occupy wallsteet" assclowns it would be all good

[Kazan]

It worked for 4.5 Billion years?

No shit,

Without human ( government ) intervention it would just become a wasteland 

[240 is Back]

No shit,

Without human ( government ) intervention it would just become a wasteland 

are we seriously turning the thread into what would happen if these lands were just completely unmanaged?

These lands are important, and you don't just "let them be".   These people work there - think of their roles:
wildland firefighters, range conservationists, foresters, botanists, land specialists, geologists, archaeologists, biologists, outdoor recreation planners, and surveyors.

[LurkerNoMore]

 

[Kazan]

are we seriously turning the thread into what would happen if these lands were just completely unmanaged?

These lands are important, and you don't just "let them be".   These people work there - think of their roles:
wildland firefighters, range conservationists, foresters, botanists, land specialists, geologists, archaeologists, biologists, outdoor recreation planners, and surveyors.

Important for what?

[240 is Back]

Important for what?

To keep the lands safe, productive, organized.  Seriously, if you don't see the danger of just letting the lands go, I dont know what to say.  firefighters stop fires.  imagine wildfires being allowed to burn.  A lot of amazing science breakthroughs.  Animals kept alive.  Stopping people from just building meth labs or whatever.  We're not going to have an argument about what services/benefits are offered by firefighters, range conservationists, foresters, botanists, land specialists, geologists, archaeologists, biologists, outdoor recreation planners, and surveyors.

Reagan was a great man and saw the need for the BLM.  I agree with reagan, not the amnesty-supporting "repubs" who put women on the front lines to incite violent retribution.   Sickening to see anyone defend them at this point.

[Kazan]

To keep the lands safe, productive, organized.  Seriously, if you don't see the danger of just letting the lands go, I dont know what to say.  firefighters stop fires.  imagine wildfires being allowed to burn.  A lot of amazing science breakthroughs.  Animals kept alive.  Stopping people from just building meth labs or whatever.  We're not going to have an argument about what services/benefits are offered by firefighters, range conservationists, foresters, botanists, land specialists, geologists, archaeologists, biologists, outdoor recreation planners, and surveyors.

Reagan was a great man and saw the need for the BLM.  I agree with reagan, not the amnesty-supporting "repubs" who put women on the front lines to incite violent retribution.   Sickening to see anyone defend them at this point.

The land will be there long after our bones turn to dust. So let me get this strait all the problems are caused by people so people are the solution? reminds me of Homer Simpson "Alcohol the cause of and solution to all of life's problems"

Throwing around Reagans name doesn't mean anything to me, unlike most of you, I liked Reagan, but he not above reproach

[240 is Back]

The land will be there long after our bones turn to dust. So let me get this strait all the problems are caused by people so people are the solution? reminds me of Homer Simpson "Alcohol the cause of and solution to all of life's problems"

Throwing around Reagans name doesn't mean anything to me, unlike most of you, I liked Reagan, but he not above reproach

yes, and a lot of things will be back to normal after human are off the earth.

if we're going to argue the benefits of geologists and firefighters, I think it becomes an argument that I dont want to have.  I know it's nice to "purify" the planet by letting wildfires rage, but I'm of the belief that people's homes are more important.

Personally, I think society benefits from the presence of  firefighters, range conservationists, foresters, botanists, land specialists, geologists, archaeologists, biologists, outdoor recreation planners, and surveyors.... The land is put to better use.  You can disagree, of course, but every president, every congress, every state govt in all 50 states - they all believe these things too.  It's a very very small % of people that think we should just let the land take care of itself.  And I respect their belief, everyone has a right to one.

[Roger Bacon]

The States can handle their land, no reason the over reaching feds should have control over this.