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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #225 on: May 15, 2014, 06:26:38 AM »
Archer, I've got to ask. Even after you realized the response to this:

Why then do you claim they do if you don't know?

Why, of all things, would you then immediately continue attempting a "from ignorance" argument?

What's the thought process?

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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #226 on: May 15, 2014, 06:45:49 AM »
Archer, I've got to ask. Even after you realized the response to this:

Why, of all things, would you then immediately continue attempting a "from ignorance" argument?

What's the thought process?

Why do you claim no evidence to the contrary inidcates something is possible?   Did you read the argument from ignorance excerpt I posted?
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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #227 on: May 15, 2014, 07:06:31 AM »
Why do you claim no evidence to the contrary inidcates something is possible?   Did you read the argument from ignorance excerpt I posted?

Archer. Whether you've ever read it, is a better question.

Let me explain this to you, very carefully. I want you to understand, because I think you're an okay guy.

You've been arguing with the idea that I'd made an assertion to suggest absolute consequences (please think about that very carefully, because you're not registering it), which is in fact the exact opposite of what I'd been doing. Right? (It is that bad, yes)

Can you understand that, now?
 
You did that without identifying any particular post. You did that despite seeing the words "possible" and "possibility" perhaps dozens of times. You did that, even after saying this:

...such a possibility as being possible?

Whew. What a thread.

In other words, Archer, your argument is for someone that asserts something which would lead to absolute consequences, the exact opposite of what "possible" and possibility" express. Okay?

Now..do us both a favor, and drop the repeating post action, and respond directly.

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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #228 on: May 15, 2014, 07:26:24 AM »
Archer. Whether you've ever read it, is a better question.

Let me explain this to you, very carefully. I want you to understand, because I think you're an okay guy.

You've been arguing with the idea that I'd made an assertion to suggest absolute consequences (please think about that very carefully, because you're not registering it), which is in fact the exact opposite of what I'd been doing. Right? (It is that bad, yes)

Can you understand that, now?
 
You did that without identifying any particular post. You did that despite seeing the words "possible" and "possibility" perhaps dozens of times. You did that, even after saying this:

Whew. What a thread.

In other words, Archer, your argument is for someone that asserts something which would lead to absolute consequences, the exact opposite of what "possible" and possibility" express. Okay?

Now..do us both a favor, and drop the repeating post action, and respond directly.



Did you read the argument from ignorance excerpt I posted? How does the absence of evidence lead you to the conclusion that the subject is therefore more possible?
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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #229 on: May 15, 2014, 07:51:55 AM »

Did you read the argument from ignorance excerpt I posted? How does the absence of evidence lead you to the conclusion that the subject is therefore more possible?

"...more possible"?

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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #230 on: May 15, 2014, 08:07:39 AM »





It seems a lack of conclusive proof to the contrary can't help but to reveal such a possibility, doesn't it?

How does no conclusive proof to the contrary reveal such a possibility or anything at all about a subject?   


If you believe that human history goes further back than what's known, it shouldn't take a huge leap to think that we humans may have gone into space in the past, meaning that any potential presence of something called 'aliens' could likely be ourselves.


What do you base this claim on?  Why doesn't it take a huge leap to arrive at this conclusion?  If you belive its so easy to conclude such an opinion you must have a basis for that conclusion.




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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #231 on: May 15, 2014, 08:48:12 AM »
Gee, Archer. As a human being here on earth, I can tell you that we are surrounded by certain forces, studied through a pursuit called science.

We can (and do) make use of these studies through a second pursuit known as technology, which allows us to manipulate the forces for our own benefit.

Through this, we create an obligation to ourselves and to others, to continue our studies and practices, which may include (and has included) activity in space.

(btw, archer: please remember that everything you do and say, reflects upon yourself. if your ego won't let you acknowledge that you fucked up - as you did when you'd assumed a false assertion from my side - and you continue to grasp at imaginary straws even after being corrected, it will make you appear to be either very insecure or very dumb, or both)

But if you must, then carry on as you were.

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« Reply #232 on: May 15, 2014, 09:14:16 AM »
Gee, Archer. As a human being here on earth, I can tell you that we are surrounded by certain forces, studied through a pursuit called science.

We can (and do) make use of these studies through a second pursuit known as technology, which allows us to manipulate these forces for our own benefit.

Through this, we create an obligation to ourselves and to others, to continue our studies and practices, which may include (and has included) activity in space.

(btw, archer: please remember that everything you do and say, reflects upon yourself. if your ego won't let you acknowledge that you fucked up - as you did when you'd assumed a false assertion from my side - and you continue to grasp at imaginary straws even after being corrected, it will make you appear to be either very insecure or very dumb, or both)

But if you must, then carry on as you were.







It seems a lack of conclusive proof to the contrary can't help but to reveal such a possibility, doesn't it?

How does no conclusive proof to the contrary reveal such a possibility or anything at all about a subject?   The argument from ignorance excerpt I posted specifically mentions no evidence to the contrary.   Didnt you read it?


Argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance stands for "lack of evidence to the contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that there is insufficient investigation and therefore insufficient information to prove the proposition satisfactorily to be either true or false. Nor does it allow the admission that the choices may in fact not be two (true or false), but may be as many as four, (1) true, (2) false, (3) unknown between true or false, and (4) being unknowable (among the first three).[2] In debates, appeals to ignorance are sometimes used to shift the burden of proof.


If you believe that human history goes further back than what's known, it shouldn't take a huge leap to think that we humans may have gone into space in the past, meaning that any potential presence of something called 'aliens' could likely be ourselves.


What do you base this claim on?  Why doesn't it take a huge leap to arrive at this conclusion?  If you belive its so easy to conclude such an opinion you must have a basis for that conclusion.  What is the basis for your conclusion?   Why are they likely to be ourselves?  How do you know human history goes back further than we know?







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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #233 on: May 15, 2014, 09:31:46 AM »

Okay, Archer. If you want to go this route, we'll go this route. From your post:

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Argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance stands for "lack of evidence to the contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that there is insufficient investigation and therefore insufficient information to prove the proposition satisfactorily to be either true or false. Nor does it allow the admission that the choices may in fact not be two (true or false), but may be as many as four, (1) true, (2) false, (3) unknown between true or false, and (4) being unknowable (among the first three).[2] In debates, appeals to ignorance are sometimes used to shift the burden of proof.

Please categorize for me within the choices, and we'll go from there.

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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #234 on: May 15, 2014, 09:37:18 AM »




Okay, Archer. If you want to go this route, we'll go this route. From your post:

Please categorize for me within the choices, and we'll go from there.



It seems a lack of conclusive proof to the contrary can't help but to reveal such a possibility, doesn't it?

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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #235 on: May 15, 2014, 09:38:04 AM »
I say three...how about you?

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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #236 on: May 15, 2014, 09:39:17 AM »
I say three...how about you?


Gee, Archer. As a human being here on earth, I can tell you that we are surrounded by certain forces, studied through a pursuit called science.

We can (and do) make use of these studies through a second pursuit known as technology, which allows us to manipulate these forces for our own benefit.

Through this, we create an obligation to ourselves and to others, to continue our studies and practices, which may include (and has included) activity in space.

(btw, archer: please remember that everything you do and say, reflects upon yourself. if your ego won't let you acknowledge that you fucked up - as you did when you'd assumed a false assertion from my side - and you continue to grasp at imaginary straws even after being corrected, it will make you appear to be either very insecure or very dumb, or both)

But if you must, then carry on as you were.







It seems a lack of conclusive proof to the contrary can't help but to reveal such a possibility, doesn't it?

How does no conclusive proof to the contrary reveal such a possibility or anything at all about a subject?   The argument from ignorance excerpt I posted specifically mentions no evidence to the contrary.   Didnt you read it?


Argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance stands for "lack of evidence to the contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that there is insufficient investigation and therefore insufficient information to prove the proposition satisfactorily to be either true or false. Nor does it allow the admission that the choices may in fact not be two (true or false), but may be as many as four, (1) true, (2) false, (3) unknown between true or false, and (4) being unknowable (among the first three).[2] In debates, appeals to ignorance are sometimes used to shift the burden of proof.


If you believe that human history goes further back than what's known, it shouldn't take a huge leap to think that we humans may have gone into space in the past, meaning that any potential presence of something called 'aliens' could likely be ourselves.


What do you base this claim on?  Why doesn't it take a huge leap to arrive at this conclusion?  If you belive its so easy to conclude such an opinion you must have a basis for that conclusion.  What is the basis for your conclusion?   Why are they likely to be ourselves?  How do you know human history goes back further than we know?







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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #237 on: May 15, 2014, 10:26:14 AM »
Just be more careful with what you say, Archer. That's all.

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« Reply #238 on: May 15, 2014, 10:32:30 AM »
Just be more careful with what you say, Archer. That's all.

Gee, Archer. As a human being here on earth, I can tell you that we are surrounded by certain forces, studied through a pursuit called science.

We can (and do) make use of these studies through a second pursuit known as technology, which allows us to manipulate these forces for our own benefit.

Through this, we create an obligation to ourselves and to others, to continue our studies and practices, which may include (and has included) activity in space.

(btw, archer: please remember that everything you do and say, reflects upon yourself. if your ego won't let you acknowledge that you fucked up - as you did when you'd assumed a false assertion from my side - and you continue to grasp at imaginary straws even after being corrected, it will make you appear to be either very insecure or very dumb, or both)

But if you must, then carry on as you were.







It seems a lack of conclusive proof to the contrary can't help but to reveal such a possibility, doesn't it?

How does no conclusive proof to the contrary reveal such a possibility or anything at all about a subject?   The argument from ignorance excerpt I posted specifically mentions no evidence to the contrary.   Didnt you read it?


Argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance stands for "lack of evidence to the contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that there is insufficient investigation and therefore insufficient information to prove the proposition satisfactorily to be either true or false. Nor does it allow the admission that the choices may in fact not be two (true or false), but may be as many as four, (1) true, (2) false, (3) unknown between true or false, and (4) being unknowable (among the first three).[2] In debates, appeals to ignorance are sometimes used to shift the burden of proof.


If you believe that human history goes further back than what's known, it shouldn't take a huge leap to think that we humans may have gone into space in the past, meaning that any potential presence of something called 'aliens' could likely be ourselves.


What do you base this claim on?  Why doesn't it take a huge leap to arrive at this conclusion?  If you belive its so easy to conclude such an opinion you must have a basis for that conclusion.  What is the basis for your conclusion?   Why are they likely to be ourselves?  How do you know human history goes back further than we know?







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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #239 on: May 15, 2014, 10:38:39 AM »
I am not a sci-fi Freak but watched some NASA films from space Encounters...really does make you think when ex Astronauts speak out about it  :o

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/5201410/Are-UFOs-real-Famous-people-who-believed.html
no but the holocaust is  :D

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« Reply #240 on: May 16, 2014, 07:29:33 AM »
After reading your last few posts with Archer, Jack, you are either big time troller or just a pathetic moron.

I suggest you answer his questions, ENGAGE IN PRODUCTIVE DIALOG, and stop pretending you are having a different conversation with him.  

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« Reply #241 on: May 16, 2014, 06:19:36 PM »
After reading your last few posts with Archer, Jack, you are either big time troller or just a pathetic moron.

I suggest you answer his questions, ENGAGE IN PRODUCTIVE DIALOG, and stop pretending you are having a different conversation with him.  

Any particular reason why you felt the need to only acknowledge reading the "last few posts", OzmO?

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« Reply #242 on: May 16, 2014, 08:52:05 PM »
Any particular reason why you felt the need to only acknowledge reading the "last few posts", OzmO?

Re-read my post.  Last warning.  Otherwise as far as I am concerned you are trolling and will be dealt with accordingly.  

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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #243 on: May 20, 2014, 07:59:35 AM »
check out the Video about the Russian Proton Rocket...

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« Reply #244 on: May 20, 2014, 10:01:36 AM »
nothing like a grainy moving blip as proof.

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« Reply #245 on: May 25, 2014, 02:36:45 AM »

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« Reply #246 on: May 25, 2014, 06:42:08 PM »
:)
http://www.alien-ufo-pictures.com/alien_pictures2.html

Sweet!    It was discovered in 2002.  Has DNA testing been done?  Has there been a peer reviewed scientific investigation?

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« Reply #247 on: May 27, 2014, 04:37:21 AM »
Sweet!    It was discovered in 2002.  Has DNA testing been done?  Has there been a peer reviewed scientific investigation?
Being honest i do not know. i just got into watching all this NASA film futage because i saw a film about UFOs and thought WTF. However when you watch some interviews with ex Astronauts...makes you think. I canīt believe all that NASA film futage is fake.

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« Reply #248 on: May 27, 2014, 08:32:54 AM »
Being honest i do not know. i just got into watching all this NASA film futage because i saw a film about UFOs and thought WTF. However when you watch some interviews with ex Astronauts...makes you think. I canīt believe all that NASA film futage is fake.

Yeah, I have seen some of it.  But the problem is, those things they saw weren't identified one way or another.  Could have been debris.

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« Reply #249 on: May 27, 2014, 08:42:37 AM »
Yeah, I have seen some of it.  But the problem is, those things they saw weren't identified one way or another.  Could have been debris.
yes but as more Astronauts have said, under controll from intelligent life. We are talking Top Men you were Hand picked to go up there. I believe them.