Are UFOs real ?

[OzmO]

yes but as more Astronauts have said, under control from intelligent life. We are talking Top Men you were Hand picked to go up there. I believe them.

I believe they questioned what they saw.  But they are some what scientists as well as astronauts, did they make a "conclusion" based on little info or did they just leave the possibility opened based on what little info they had?

Maybe there are some quotes.

[Donny]

i believe these Astronauts are of Sound being. Intelligent men. What they saw was not their interpretation but Facts...which they now openly say. the reason why more People are now opening up to this reality. This is not just a few DUDES fucking around on the web.

[OzmO]

i believe these Astronauts are of Sound being. Intelligent men. What they saw was not their interpretation but Facts...which they now openly say. the reason why more People are now opening up to this reality. This is not just a few DUDES fucking around on the web.

I know, but it still doesn't matter.  Are they conclusions based on fact or assumption?

Very intelligent people still believe in things based on speculation.  Its a common thing to find very intelligent people believing in wild conspiracy theories.

Thank god for science.

[Donny]

I know, but it still doesn't matter.  Are they conclusions based on fact or assumption?

Very intelligent people still believe in things based on speculation.  Its a common thing to find very intelligent people believing in wild conspiracy theories.

Thank god for science.

you have hit a good Point there , "science" does follow it. Just you do not know it.

[Donny]

 

[Donny]

Interesting..

[OzmO]

you have hit a good Point there , "science" does follow it. Just you do not know it.

How so?   How does science follow it?

[Donny]

Stanton Friedman a Nuclear Physicist has devoted 35 years to scientific study of UFOs also Peter sturrock who authored a Scientific Study published in the Journal of Scientific Exploration.  To Name but a few. The US has studies as do other countries. So i want to hear some Argumentation from you ozmO and not just questions after questions to debunk every post on here. Anyone can do that.

[Donny]

Dr Karla turner was also very prominent in research....disclosure will happen

[Donny]

[OzmO]

Stanton Friedman a Nuclear Physicist has devoted 35 years to scientific study of UFOs also Peter sturrock who authored a Scientific Study published in the Journal of Scientific Exploration.  To Name but a few. The US has studies as do other countries. So i want to hear some Argumentation from you ozmO and not just questions after questions to debunk every post on here. Anyone can do that.

I am asking questions to see if you have any "real" evidence other then grainy photos or vids.

I believe there is life out there and i do believe that its possible that we have been visited.  But i haven't seen any actual evidence, yet.

For example:  that creature that you showed, was there a peer reviewed scientific investigation that determined its DNA?  If so then it should be available somewhere.  Or is it just another hollow piece just like the many grainy photos out there.

Stranton Friedman...  Did he discover anything factual?  What were Peter Sheetrock's conclusions?  How were they received by the scientific community? Just because a scientist is investigating something doesn't make it nay more or less true.   

I like to debunk because it gets us closer tot he truth and farther from fantasy. 

Verifiable, tangible evidence.  Not rhetoric, not arguments,....evidence.

[Donny]

I am asking questions to see if you have any "real" evidence other then grainy photos or vids.

I believe there is life out there and i do believe that its possible that we have been visited.  But i haven't seen any actual evidence, yet.

For example:  that creature that you showed, was there a peer reviewed scientific investigation that determined its DNA?  If so then it should be available somewhere.  Or is it just another hollow piece just like the many grainy photos out there.

Stranton Friedman...  Did he discover anything factual?  What were Peter Sheetrock's conclusions?  How were they received by the scientific community? Just because a scientist is investigating something doesn't make it nay more or less true.   

I like to debunk because it gets us closer tot he truth and farther from fantasy. 

Verifiable, tangible evidence.  Not rhetoric, not arguments,....evidence.

Mate if i had 100% proof the Men in Black would be knocking at my Door   ;Dhttp://villains.wikia.com/wiki/Men_In_Black_(Conspiracy_Theory)

[Donny]

try again..   
http://villains.wikia.com/wiki/Men_In_Black_(Conspiracy_Theory)

[Donny]

I will do some Research .. a few good Books on UFOology out there, written by Educated People. Have only just started to look at it myself so not an expert. I just got interested after seeing a Documentary on YouTube. i see there is even a Forum, no doubt a few. Maybe some answers to your questions in this Forum.
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=41378

[OzmO]

Mate if i had 100% proof the Men in Black would be knocking at my Door   ;Dhttp://villains.wikia.com/wiki/Men_In_Black_(Conspiracy_Theory)

This is kind of what i am talking about.  The idea that there has been contact and that the government is covering it up has zero basis of facts and is simply a speculative fantasy that those "Men in Black" would be knocking at your door.

What do have is lots of unverified evidence.  We can't say something is "certain" with that.

But i will browse that forum later.  looks interesting.

[Donny]

Well mate i would tend to believe this man.
http://www.ufosightingsdaily.com/2013/02/edgar-us-astronaut-mitchell-ufo-and.html

[Donny]

Astronaut and Hero Gordon Cooper...

[Donny]

What about Buzz? ..

[Donny]

I believe These men.

[OzmO]

What about Buzz? ..

What did he see?  Can he verify what he saw?  Are there other possible explanations to what he saw?  That's science.

Buzz:  "What could it be?"  He doesn't know what it is.  That doesn't mean its a alien space ship.

Narrator:  "It could only be one thing"   How can he know for sure?  Was he there?  Seems irresponsible to claim it could only be one thing.  Is the narrator saying its an unidentified flying object or a alien space ship?

Buzz:  "That didn't tell us very much"  Meaning they don't know crap

Bearded dude with glasses:  "Such objects weren't uncommon"  So it could be any number of things, not out of the ordinary.

Narrator:  "what they saw has never been positively identified" EXACTLY!

I only went to 3:36 in the clip.

But at no time does Buzz say he saw a alien space craft.  a tno time was it ever verified as a space craft of any sort.  it's unidentified.

So what about this do you believe?

Do you believe buzz saw some thing he couldn't identify?  I do.

Do you beleive Buzz saw a alien space craft?  Show me where he says that.

[Donny]

well i guess you have been through Astronautical School been up there and know better than These MEN.   

[OzmO]

well i guess you have been through Astronautical School been up there and know better than These MEN.  

Of course I don't.  But i do know the English language.  

The point is Buzz isn't saying anything!

Show me where he says something.  

I am ONLY going off of what they said, are you?  Or are you putting words in their mouths.  

It's simple English. Or do you want to believe there are aliens sooo bad that you are ignoring the English language and therefore think Buzz is saying he saw an alien space craft?

Because he is not saying he did!

[Donny]

Of course I don't.  But i do know the English language.  

The point is Buzz isn't saying anything!

Show me where he says something.  

I am ONLY going off of what they said, are you?  Or are you putting words in their mouths.  

It's simple English. Or do you want to believe there are aliens sooo bad that you are ignoring the English language and therefore think Buzz is saying he saw an alien space craft?

Because he is not saying he did!

listen Buddy... if i do meet some. GetBig will get the Story first.  As for Buzz, look at his Body language. He knew more than he let on. saw another Video where a well known ex president was asked Ufo questions and they analyzed him.. they came to the conclusion that when asked about it he was lying. will try to find it again.

[OzmO]

listen Buddy... if i do meet some. GetBig will get the Story first.  As for Buzz, look at his Body language. He knew more than he let on. saw another Video where a well known ex president was asked Ufo questions and they analyzed him.. they came to the conclusion that when asked about it he was lying. will try to find it again.

So based on a video, you are interpreting body language as him saying "He saw an alien space craft" and you are doing this based on what personal expertise in reading body language?

And then you use this vid and your "likely no education or expertise in reading body language" as him saying:  He saw an alien space craft...

And then you say "You believe these men"

When they never said at any one time or even suggested at any one time that it was a Alien space craft?

ok.


That's about as far good evidence as you can get.  That's about as far from personal testimony as you can get.  That's about as far from an credible argument as you can get.

[Donny]

So based on a video, you are interpreting body language as him saying "He saw an alien space craft" and you are doing this based on what personal expertise in reading body language?

And then you use this vid and your "likely no education or expertise in reading body language" as him saying:  He saw an alien space craft...

And then you say "You believe these men"

When they never said at any one time or even suggested at any one time that it was a Alien space craft?

ok.


That's about as far good evidence as you can get.  That's about as far from personal testimony as you can get.  That's about as far from an credible argument as you can get.

well i bet when you lie you get red and tremble. get hot flushes. People do Show stress in Body gestures and arm and Hand signals. or do you want to argue about that.