Don Sterling is a liberal Democrat Billionaire - TYPICAL

[240 is Back]

 Sterling had to testify in open court that he regularly paid a Beverly Hills hooker for sex, describing her as a “$500-a-trick freak” with whom he coupled “all over my building, in my bathroom, upstairs, in the corner, in the elevator.” Stern, as one commentator noted, “normally has to explain away the behavior of 20-something athletes, not married 70-year-old club owners worth nearly a billion.”

http://www.thenation.com/blog/179551/donald-sterling-slumlord-billionaire#

[24KT]

The fact the only reason she was having sex with him was for money. 

And you know this for a FACT do you? ...or is this only your ASSUMPTION based on your limited paradigmn?

She was his girlfriend. They are both over 21. Most adult boyfriend/girlfriend relationships today entered into by those over the age of 21 often include sex.

[Dos Equis]

I wasn't quoting the bible... I was refering to the prevalent common meme regurgitated in society, and often used to justify a lack of initiative and passive acceptance of a state of financial poverty amongst many.

Unless you have proof that she was in fact a hooker, then you really shouldn't be referring to her as one.
That's libelous, ...and from what I've seen thus far... Ms. Stiviano is a woman NOT to be trifled with. 

I heard the entire recording, ...not just the brief snippet sound bytes released, and Sterling was right...
She is a fighter, ...an oh one hell of a fighter she has proven to be. YOU GO GIRL!!!     

Yes, you were quoting the Bible (whether you realize it or not), because that's precisely where the "prevalent common meme regurgitated in society" comes from.  It's just an almost-always-misused quote. 

No, my opinion that she is a prostitute isn't libelous.  I'm sure I'm one of thousands, if not millions of people who share that opinion. 

[Dos Equis]

And you know this for a FACT do you? ...or is this only your ASSUMPTION based on your limited paradigmn?

She was his girlfriend. They are both over 21. Most adult boyfriend/girlfriend relationships today entered into by those over the age of 21 often include sex.

Do I know for a fact she was getting money from him?  No, I didn't see money change hands.  Yes it is my assumption based on what I have read about their situation, my incredibly expansive experience with people in society, and common sense. 

I guess it's possible he didn't give her a dime.  That his wife just invented the claim that she was given $1.8 million in cash and gifts.  That the elderly Sterling often gets to sleep with young women like her without giving them anything.  But you have to believe things like the government shot a missile into the Pentagon to believe something like that. 

She was his hooker.  If he was Donald Sterling the Burger King employee, she isn't going to sleep with him.  There isn't a hill of beans difference between her and the women standing on the corner on Sunset Strip in Hollywood.  She just gets paid more. 

[24KT]

I read on one of the papers posted on the gossip board - she charged him $500 per sexual act and gave him BJs all day long.  She kept very detailed records, and he happily paid her at the end of each weekend or after several days of hooking up.  I'm sure she called herself that name, and the line between hooker and sugar daddy can be a blurry one.  But I think it was HIS words that detailed the record keeping on her part and the financial transaction - She didn't spread that, he did.  (I think, trying to recall)

Sterling had to testify in open court that he regularly paid a Beverly Hills hooker for sex, describing her as a “$500-a-trick freak” with whom he coupled “all over my building, in my bathroom, upstairs, in the corner, in the elevator.” Stern, as one commentator noted, “normally has to explain away the behavior of 20-something athletes, not married 70-year-old club owners worth nearly a billion.”

http://www.thenation.com/blog/179551/donald-sterling-slumlord-billionaire#

I've read the articles, ...but no where in there does it name Ms Stiviano as being the prostitute.

Do you have access to his deposition wherein he names her as the prostitute he describes?

Furthermore, the articles state it was Sterling himself who launched the lawsuit against the prostitute once he got tired of her, ...yet in the recordings I heard, he is upset because he states "She is supposed to be a genteel white woman" not one who keeps company with Black people. So again I ask, ...where is she named as the prostitute he describes in his deposition?

[24KT]

Yes, you were quoting the Bible (whether you realize it or not), because that's precisely where the "prevalent common meme regurgitated in society" comes from.  It's just an almost-always-misused quote. 

No, I was not quoting the bible. Had I been doing that, there would have been a notation of the actual quote, chapter & verse. I am well aware of where the meme comes from.

No, my opinion that she is a prostitute isn't libelous.  I'm sure I'm one of thousands, if not millions of people who share that opinion. 

Where did you get your law degree? ...from the bottom of a crackerjack box? 'Having an opinion' that she is one, and flat out 'stating her to be one' are two different things. People are entitled to believe whatever they want to belief, but when you fail to recognize the difference between a fact and your opinion, ...especially when stating your opinion as fact, you defame and assassinate the character of another. It's libelous.

[240 is Back]

"In an even greater leap to the absurd, the lawsuit was not initiated by the vice squad or any controlling legal authority. It was initiated by Sterling against his “$500-a-night trick” because he just couldn’t bear the thought that she was occupying a home she claimed he gifted to her. He was done with her and wanted her out. He also seems to have wanted to proclaim to the world, that at 70, Donald Tokowitz could still throw it down in the sack. If Sterling wants to be a geriatric Charlie Sheen, that’s his business. But in a sport that polices the character of its players, from their dress code to where they spend their leisure time, to what they say to the press, it seems the height of hypocrisy that Sterling skates."



I see it as a standard $500-per-pop plus gifts kinda deal.  Started out at 500 a hit (we see early pics with her posing with pimp don juan).  Over time, he grew to trust her and started with the gifts.

They're hers.  She did earn them.  They split up, wifey decided she wanted the stuff back from the "mistress".   Sterling went along when he should have just let that sleeping dog lie.  He got the pleasure, he enjoyed the company, she blew an old man many many times... she EARNED it lol.

whatever the case, she was with him for $, plain and simple.   Dude didn't mind throwing some $ at hookers when needed.  

[24KT]

Do I know for a fact she was getting money from him?  No, I didn't see money change hands.  Yes it is my assumption based on what I have read about their situation, my incredibly expansive experience with people in society, and common sense.

Fair enough. However, I too form opinions based upon the same above criteria you have mentioned.
I too have an extremely expansive vault of experience with people in society, common sense, and when coupled with insight you could not possibly have, I believe my realm of possibilities may be a bit more fair & balanced than yours.

I have been a hot 20 something woman. I've known many hot 20 something women, ...and I can tell you right now, the conclusions you draw are not necessarily the case.  
 

I guess it's possible he didn't give her a dime.  That his wife just invented the claim that she was given $1.8 million in cash and gifts.  That the elderly Sterling often gets to sleep with young women like her without giving them anything.  But you have to believe things like the government shot a missile into the Pentagon to believe something like that.

Yes you would, wouldn't you?    

Wow, you can be annoying sometimes.

She was his hooker.  If he was Donald Sterling the Burger King employee, she isn't going to sleep with him.  There isn't a hill of beans difference between her and the women standing on the corner on Sunset Strip in Hollywood.  She just gets paid more.  

If he was Donald Sterling the Burger King employee, he possibly might never have met her.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying their relationship was not without it's benefits. But if she was dating Donald Sterling the Burger King employee, and he gave her plenty of french fries on their dates, ...and he deployed his Burger King employee discount to reduce her bill, ..or he let her have it her way... would you call her a prostitute?

How many guys who work as mechanics give their girlfriends free car repairs? Does it make their girlfriends prostitutes because they are the recipients & beneficiaries of the amassed skill & acumen of their boyfriends? What about their Moms? God forbid they make sure they take care of the regularly scheduled maintenance and occasionally look under the hood. I'm sure Rachel Ray's husband was never called a prostitute for being the recipient of incredible meals she prepared prior to their marriage. Don't put me in a position where I'm drawn into defending Sterling's actions in his relationship. I wasn't a part of his relationship with her. I just think it's rather sexist, as well as cynical to automatically characterize their relationship the way you have chosen to do.

If she was homely, not what has "traditionally" been seen as attractive, ...would people automatically be jumping to these same conclusions?

The fact of the matter remains... self-made Billionaires, don't rise to the heights they attain, ...especially from such humble beginnings, without bringing something to the table. Men like him have an internal spark inside of them ...a fire in their bellies that can and does attract young women like moths to a flame. They also know how to compete against the young 20 something yr old guys who most often are intimidated to even approach a woman like Stiviano. They don't compete using the same stale, tired weapons deployed by the 20 somethings, the same tired lines and approaches she hears everyday... no they complete on their own terms, using their own weapons, tools, and strategies. Yes, money is a tool on their toolbelt that they deploy, ...but it's a tool that affords them the ability to deploy strategies, and play on a whole nother level, and in a whole separate league.

If you've never been a hot young 20 something swept into another realm of existence outside your paradigmn, into a world you never knew existed, you might cynically succumb to the view that she is a hooker, and that the only thing a hot 20 something could see in a 80 something Billionaire is sex for money or money for sex. I'm saying it is possible for an attractive young 20 something woman to have a sincere attraction to an older Billionaire, ...especially one who lets her have her cake and eat it too.

PS: Stop drawing me into a position that on the surface appears as if I'me defending that decrepit racist.
I'm not. He looks like the freaking crypt keeper. I just don't think it's right to sit around and allow people to malign and assassinate the character of Ms. Stiviano without all the facts, based on nothing but conjecture & speculation based solely on her appearance, and the fact that her boyfriend is a wealthy tortured coward.

[24KT]

"In an even greater leap to the absurd, the lawsuit was not initiated by the vice squad or any controlling legal authority. It was initiated by Sterling against his “$500-a-night trick” because he just couldn’t bear the thought that she was occupying a home she claimed he gifted to her. He was done with her and wanted her out. He also seems to have wanted to proclaim to the world, that at 70, Donald Tokowitz could still throw it down in the sack. If Sterling wants to be a geriatric Charlie Sheen, that’s his business. But in a sport that polices the character of its players, from their dress code to where they spend their leisure time, to what they say to the press, it seems the height of hypocrisy that Sterling skates."



I see it as a standard $500-per-pop plus gifts kinda deal.  Started out at 500 a hit (we see early pics with her posing with pimp don juan).  Over time, he grew to trust her and started with the gifts.

They're hers.  She did earn them.  They split up, wifey decided she wanted the stuff back from the "mistress".   Sterling went along when he should have just let that sleeping dog lie.  He got the pleasure, he enjoyed the company, she blew an old man many many times... she EARNED it lol.

whatever the case, she was with him for $, plain and simple.   Dude didn't mind throwing some $ at hookers when needed.  

I'm glad you are explaining this as your speculative theory, and not an absolute fact.

LOL Oh the problems of the rich. If he was broke, he probably would have gotten a quickie Mexican divorce and moved on, ...but having Billions in a community property state can be a biyatch, ...especially for a filanderer.  

BTW 240, Does this sound like a man talking to his prostitute or his girlfriend?

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My theory or opinion, not based in fact, but on the limited info floating around... is that Sterling is still enslaved & oppressed by Jim Crow era thinking. He's from a different era, and having a real hard time being his own man and rising above very powerful racist social taboos. I mean... here is a man with "Fuck You" money, and he still can't stand up and be a man, and gets the vapours if someone has something to say.

That's a pretty sad commentary... he has no problems with her publicly committing adultery with a married man, ...but all hell breaks loose if she has a picture of herself with a Black man on Instagram? She can fornicate with a married man and she's still sweet, ...but let her walk down the street with Black people and it's a big problem? That is some kind of fvcked up! 

[Dos Equis]

Fair enough. However, I too form opinions based upon the same above criteria you have mentioned.
I too have an extremely expansive vault of experience with people in society, common sense, and when coupled with insight you could not possibly have, I believe my realm of possibilities may be a bit more fair & balanced than yours.

I have been a hot 20 something woman. I've known many hot 20 something women, ...and I can tell you right now, the conclusions you draw are not necessarily the case.  
 
Yes you would, wouldn't you?    

Wow, you can be annoying sometimes.

If he was Donald Sterling the Burger King employee, he possibly might never have met her.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying their relationship was not without it's benefits. But if she was dating Donald Sterling the Burger King employee, and he gave her plenty of french fries on their dates, ...and he deployed his Burger King employee discount to reduce her bill, ..or he let her have it her way... would you call her a prostitute?

How many guys who work as mechanics give their girlfriends free car repairs? Does it make their girlfriends prostitutes because they are the recipients & beneficiaries of the amassed skill & acumen of their boyfriends? What about their Moms? God forbid they make sure they take care of the regularly scheduled maintenance and occasionally look under the hood. I'm sure Rachel Ray's husband was never called a prostitute for being the recipient of incredible meals she prepared prior to their marriage. Don't put me in a position where I'm drawn into defending Sterling's actions in his relationship. I wasn't a part of his relationship with her. I just think it's rather sexist, as well as cynical to automatically characterize their relationship the way you have chosen to do.

If she was homely, not what has "traditionally" been seen as attractive, ...would people automatically be jumping to these same conclusions?

The fact of the matter remains... self-made Billionaires, don't rise to the heights they attain, ...especially from such humble beginnings, without bringing something to the table. Men like him have an internal spark inside of them ...a fire in their bellies that can and does attract young women like moths to a flame. They also know how to compete against the young 20 something yr old guys who most often are intimidated to even approach a woman like Stiviano. They don't compete using the same stale, tired weapons deployed by the 20 somethings, the same tired lines and approaches she hears everyday... no they complete on their own terms, using their own weapons, tools, and strategies. Yes, money is a tool on their toolbelt that they deploy, ...but it's a tool that affords them the ability to deploy strategies, and play on a whole nother level, and in a whole separate league.

If you've never been a hot young 20 something swept into another realm of existence outside your paradigmn, into a world you never knew existed, you might cynically succumb to the view that she is a hooker, and that the only thing a hot 20 something could see in a 80 something Billionaire is sex for money or money for sex. I'm saying it is possible for an attractive young 20 something woman to have a sincere attraction to an older Billionaire, ...especially one who lets her have her cake and eat it too.

PS: Stop drawing me into a position that on the surface appears as if I'me defending that decrepit racist.
I'm not. He looks like the freaking crypt keeper. I just don't think it's right to sit around and allow people to malign and assassinate the character of Ms. Stiviano without all the facts, based on nothing but conjecture & speculation based solely on her appearance, and the fact that her boyfriend is a wealthy tortured coward.

You have no idea what my experiences are.  And I have no idea whether my experiences are more expansive than yours or vice versa.  Only an idiot would make an assumption about something like that. 

I have known hot 20 something year old women.  I doubt you were one of them.  You're definitely not a hot 50 something year old woman.  But that's beside the point . . . .

I know a lot of older men with high net worth who are able to have playmates that are much younger, solely because they have a high net worth.  That's how the game is played.  Those young women are only in it for the money.  You can call that whatever you want.  I call it prostitution.  It's just a much more lucrative and higher caliber form of prostitution. 

[loco]

It is a known fact and reportedly so that he contributed to DEMOCRATS and voiced his support for them.

Why was the NAACP honoring him? Come on. Use that common sense.

Well, he is a Jew, and most Jews vote Democrat.

Until now, I thought we were talking about one of these two guys.

Don Draper          


Roger Sterling

[24KT]

You have no idea what my experiences are.  And I have no idea whether my experiences are more expansive than yours or vice versa.  Only an idiot would make an assumption about something like that. 

I have known hot 20 something year old women.  I doubt you were one of them.  You're definitely not a hot 50 something year old woman.  But that's beside the point . . . .

That's fer darned sure... I am not yet 50, ...but when I am, I'm sure I'll still be hot. 

I know a lot of older men with high net worth who are able to have playmates that are much younger, solely because they have a high net worth.  That's how the game is played.  Those young women are only in it for the money.  You can call that whatever you want.  I call it prostitution.  It's just a much more lucrative and higher caliber form of prostitution. 

I don't deny that exists, ...however, please don't automatically assume that is the case in every May-December relationship.

[Dos Equis]

That's fer darned sure... I am not yet 50, ...but when I am, I'm sure I'll still be hot. 

I don't deny that exists, ...however, please don't automatically assume that is the case in every May-December relationship.

I don't assume and don't believe that is the case in every relationship like that.  But if the man is almost 80 and looks it, has bank, and the woman is attractive and 20-something and doesn't have her own money, then it's pretty safe to assume it is a sex/companionship for money arrangement. 

And I'm not really criticizing anyone who has that kind of relationship.  Just calling it what it is. 

[24KT]

I don't assume and don't believe that is the case in every relationship like that.  But if the man is almost 80 and looks it, has bank, and the woman is attractive and 20-something and doesn't have her own money, then it's pretty safe to assume it is a sex/companionship for money arrangement. 

And I'm not really criticizing anyone who has that kind of relationship.  Just calling it what it is. 

No, it's not safe to assume that. It's cynical, pavlovian, prejudiced, demeaning to both parties, ...but not safe.

[Dos Equis]

No, it's not safe to assume that. It's cynical, pavlovian, prejudiced, demeaning to both parties, ...but not safe.

It's intelligent, perceptive, reasonable, and safe. 

[24KT]

It's intelligent, perceptive, reasonable, and safe.  

It's cynical logic in action, but it's not safe. Making assumptions based solely on limited superficial info is never safe.

[Dos Equis]

It's cynical logic in action, but it's not safe. Making assumptions based solely on limited outside info is never safe.

Using your life experience, intelligence, common sense, perceptiveness, street smarts, formal or informal education, and logic is a good thing to do. 

[24KT]

Using your life experience, intelligence, common sense, perceptiveness, street smarts, formal or informal education, and logic is a good thing to do. 

We are in agreement 

I just think it's disrespectful, demeaning, and unfair to state an opinion as fact, especially when such a statement defames & assassinates the character of another. We're not having a private conversation with friends in our living room. We are typing public statements for the world to see, and the cynical, thoughtless defamation of someone's character, ...especially for someone on the receiving end is not a fun experience.

[Dos Equis]

We are in agreement 

I just think it's disrespectful, demeaning, and unfair to state an opinion as fact, especially when such a statement defames & assassinates the character of another. We're not having a private conversation with friends in our living room. We are typing public statements for the world to see, and the cynical, thoughtless defamation of someone's character, ...especially for someone on the receiving end is not a fun experience.

Nobody is stating an opinion as fact. 

That woman isn't thinking about what a handful of people are saying on this message board.  There are thousands, if not millions, of people expressing opinions about her (and others of her ilk). 

[24KT]

Nobody is stating an opinion as fact. 

Oh really?!

She was his prostitute. 

That woman isn't thinking about what a handful of people are saying on this message board.  There are thousands, if not millions, of people expressing opinions about her (and others of her ilk). 

Just because others are saying it, doesn't mean you have to add your voice to the mix.
Every snowflake always disavows responsibility for the avalanche.

[Dos Equis]

Oh really?!


Just because others are saying it, doesn't mean you have to add your voice to the mix.
Every snowflake always disavows responsibility for the avalanche.

Yes, really.     Every opinion isn't prefaced with the words "in my opinion."  And when you're trying to make a point, at least be honest and put things in context:

No, my opinion that she is a prostitute isn't libelous.  I'm sure I'm one of thousands, if not millions of people who share that opinion. 

Just because this is a message board where the overwhelming majority of the subject involves opinion, I'm going to add my opinion.  If you're struggling with that, you can either engage me, ignore me, or find someplace else to complain.

[RRKore]

It is a known fact and reportedly so that he contributed to DEMOCRATS and voiced his support for them.

Why was the NAACP honoring him? Come on. Use that common sense.

Damn, Dario.  Are you ever right about anything?

Not that Sterling's broader political views or party affiliation have much to do with the controversy over his insanely racist comments, but here's a news flash for those conservatives eager to bring up the topic: He's a Republican.

On Sunday, Michael Hiltzik, a Los Angeles Times columnist, tweeted that local voter records show Sterling to be a registered Republican "since 1998." We followed up on that, and a search of the Los Angeles County Registrar-Recorder's website for Sterling's name, date of birth, and address confirmed that he's registered as a Republican

There's little reason to get excited about Sterling's political affiliation. But if you choose to do so, you ought to get it right.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/04/donald-sterling-republican-democrat-politics-nba-racism

[24KT]

Here's an idea...  since this is a Political Board, rather than focusing on voyeuristic speculations about sex for money, why don't we ask ourselves how this relates to politics? I mean, do we even as yet know how the audio surfaced, or who made it? It is being assumed it was made by Ms. Stiviano, ...but do we know that for a fact?

Here's a thought? Let's consider the ramifications or viability of a crazy conspiracy theory? What if... some desk jockey at the NSA switched on one of their cell phone microphones, and started tapping into the conversation.

It has already been well publicized that employees are abusing powers to spy on girlfriends/boyfriends/ celebs etc. We recall how Murdoch spied on the Royals as well as other high profile individuals tapping into their voicemails to blackmail and obtain scoops... what if...  

And given the host of secret laws that have been passed, not to mention refrigerators capable of spying on homeowners, ...who is to say this recording didn't come about in the same way? Who is to say that ANY of us are safe from intrusive violations of our own privacy from within our own homes?

[Dos Equis]

Damn, Dario.  Are you ever right about anything?

Not that Sterling's broader political views or party affiliation have much to do with the controversy over his insanely racist comments, but here's a news flash for those conservatives eager to bring up the topic: He's a Republican.

On Sunday, Michael Hiltzik, a Los Angeles Times columnist, tweeted that local voter records show Sterling to be a registered Republican "since 1998." We followed up on that, and a search of the Los Angeles County Registrar-Recorder's website for Sterling's name, date of birth, and address confirmed that he's registered as a Republican

There's little reason to get excited about Sterling's political affiliation. But if you choose to do so, you ought to get it right.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/04/donald-sterling-republican-democrat-politics-nba-racism

Didn't he donate to Democrats? 

[2Thick]

Didn't he donate to Democrats? 

You often find that many of the very rich will donate some to both parties. It's a "hedge" of sorts. They can appear somewhat "neutral" and still be able to call in markers once a candidate on either side is in office. They tend to flock to whomever is in power or appears to be next in line.

Trump has done it, and although he's "Republican" these days, he's already kissing Hillary's ass. He was hating Bush and praising Obama 5+ years ago, and of course it didn't take him very long to start publicly hating Obama.

Sandy Weill was on CNBC one morning this week, and he too was kissing Hillary's ass. He stated that he voted for Obama once, but not the second time because "I didn't think he'd done a very good job."

I've seen other super-rich businessmen on the tube kissing her ass as well. I haven't seen or heard of any billionaires outside of the Kochs who are saying anything the least bit insulting towards her, even though more and more of them are piling on Obama.

It's easy for them now to pile on Obama because his approval rating is in the toilet and everybody sees him for what he is (even if they don't admit it or are ok with it) after he pretty much took the gloves off completely after his last election.